Buffalo_Stampede

McDermott built this. He built the program. It’s his. For example let’s take Ken Dorsey. If he has 2-3 years of top 5 offenses but they fail in the playoffs I would say let’s move on. Dorsey didn’t build anything. He inherited a top 5 offense. See the difference?

The conversation wasn’t about McDermott and Beane. In fact I didn’t mention them when talking about championships. I poked my head in this thread because of fans like you that have this unrealistic opinion that firing a winning coach somehow gets us closer to winning Super Bowl. It’s 100% fact that it’s going to be difficult for McDermott to win a championship in Buffalo at this point. It’s also going to be difficult for Josh Allen. After that rookie contract it gets tougher to win your first.

Like I said I take the whole career. The 2 Super Bowls don’t tell the whole story, but it does make you think harder about his career. George Seifert is another one, but if you examine his career he was clearly riding the coattails of what Walsh built.

It’s an achievement for sure. I still take the entire career over 1 championship when ranking all time greats. Nick Foles isn’t a great QB. Winning multiple championships is what makes you different.

One thing I’ve always found interesting about defensive head coaches. They rarely call the defense while many offensive head coaches call the offense. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes.

Why do you think McDermott is miles behind Payton as a football mind? Lol. The Bills defense was a bunch of guys as well. Why do we always diminish players and coaches for not winning a championship? It’s like you either win one or you’re trash. I don’t understand that. Obviously there’s another level but winning 1 championship doesn’t get you there in my eyes.

Not exactly the same criteria. Manning was an aging QB on his 2nd team at the end of his career.

Peyton Manning’s worst and final season? I guess this would be the closest example. So we’re banking on finding another Gary Kubiak? So if we fired McDermott they should hire a long time offensive coordinator that was a failure at head coach? So someone like Josh McDaniels if he’s fired? Bill O’Brien? Pat Shurmur? Lol

Just doing a quick look but I don’t see any recent history of a team firing a head coach, keeping the franchise QB, and winning a Championship. Am I mistaken?

Can Josh Allen? Can Brandon Beane? McDermott has 5 playoff losses. Allen played poorly in 3 of them. Can Beane build an offensive line to protect Allen? We can do this all day. We need to stop acting like McDermott has nothing to do with getting the Bills to the position they’re in today. His defenses are consistently top 10. I compare him to Dungy but maybe I shouldn’t because Dungy couldn’t get the Colts defense to that level. We’re close. When you’re close you keep building. If there comes a time when the Bills move backwards then this discussion is relevant.

This is what people don’t seem to understand. Losing to the Chiefs and Bengals isn’t something you fire a coach for. It’s honestly embarrassing that we’re having these conversations. Bills fans need to be better. But maybe I shouldn’t be shocked because reporters use to say fans wanted coaches fired and Jim Kelly benched for losing Super Bowls.

Probably every QB take ever. Trent Edwards in his 1st start completed probably 20 passes under 5 yards and I thought we had the next Tom Brady.

This is just the normal sequence of things. Typical fans and media. When there’s a really good team for a long period of time but doesn’t win a championship the narrative switches from positive to negative. Coaches get blamed first. Then GM. Then QB.

Beasley would know better than anyone who’s a better leader between Dak and Allen.

I just realized you can see how many posts you’ve made in a topic. This is my 75th post in this thread. Holy crap! 😂

But who is “Big Dawg”?

Now what do we talk about for a month?

How do we know it’s really him?

Can we trust Sal?

I was hoping people had actual substance to their complaints. Not just the typical stuff. Actual differences between what Daboll did and what Dorsey did. I ask because I didn’t see a huge difference between the 2. We were still 11 personnel mostly. We lost that slot weapon, Crowder was supposed to be it. The vertical game as the year went on was said to be due to Allen’s injury. The injury is an another reason why Dorsey shouldn’t get so much heat. Most of the complaints are post injury.

The Bills have reached a certain level where anything less than perfection is criticized. Even though the Bills are better than almost every other offense they’re judge against perfection. That’s what is expected. Basic stats and analytic stats mean nothing if there’s any failure at all. At the end of the 2021 playoffs Allen was nearly perfect. That’s what fans think is the standard. They’re holding Dorsey to that standard.

All I’m getting is the same stuff people said about Daboll, which is exactly what I was expecting.

Definitely LG. But that was his guy.

The first part for whatever plays you’re thinking of is likely a WR failure not a design failure. Im pretty sure motion rates were pretty equal between Dorsey and Daboll. Right about 14%. But I only saw one stat on that so it could be wrong.

Kind of had one in 2021. You’re talking missing playoffs regression?