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There was a pretty large international outcry, led by the US. Beyond sanctions, though, I'm not sure what else could have been done short of a military engagement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responses_to_the_2020_Chinese_involvement_with_Hong_Kong_national_security_law China seemed pretty angry about it: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/15/891291258/china-threatens-response-after-u-s-sanctions-over-crackdown-on-hong-kong We didn't hear a ton about it in the news, because all America cared about last summer was COVID, police brutality and riots/looting. And for the record, I agree with you on Trump as a person, he's a POS. But conversing with someone who refuses to discuss anything related to him or the Republican party in any semblance of a rational manner is just not enjoyable for me. Its the absolutes of I'm right and you're wrong that are tearing this country apart.

Bumped for @Scraps BillStime made something up, no?

I would love to know what was behind that decision for Beane. I remember a lot of posters here disliking Shaq, whether it was for his draft slot vs output, the rookie season shoulder injury fiasco, the fact that he was a Whaley pick, or maybe it was that he didn't seem to turn it on until a contract year, he wasn't well liked.

No, and I don't think Tibs really knows what it involves either. What he's referring to is the security law that China passed for Hong King last year. Basically it give the Chinese government a greater ability to absorb Hong Kong into the mainland, as opposed to the 1 country 2 systems model that was being observed before. BBC has a pretty good coverage: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838 The US unanimously did pass the Hong Kong Autonomy Act, which Trump signed, but it was largely ignored by the American press for reasons you'll have to infer on your own.

Just a side note about the concerns of HCQ side affects for any who are interested. Both HCQ and Chloroquine prolong the QT interval of the heartbeat. For most people this is absolutely fine, but there are some people who already have a prolonged QT interval, it's a rare condition known as Long QT (usually its inherited from a parent). Most people who have it live their whole lives undiagnosed, but at it's worst, Long QT can lead to fainting, and even heart attack/death in extreme cases (torsade de pointes). The danger with HCQ and CQ is that they can exacerbate this condition. If your undiagnosed, it could be a problem, especially if you were home. I do tend to think the news tended to blow the dangers out of proportion. Primarily because fear = ratings, plus Trump backed it strongly. But also, because there is a very long list of medicines that have the same effect on QT, one of which is azithromycin (Z-pak), which was heavily used early on in COVID as a "treatment", and sometimes TOGETHER with HCQ, ironically. Any Dr. who's not an idiot could get a quick EKG to rule out severe long QT prior to prescribing.

Guess there isn't much more to talk about here. Thanks for explaining your position.

Scott will be fine, as there's always going to be something to complain about.

I believe that you realize it's not as black and white as "your side always lies and mine only tells the truth". What do you think would be a good bipartisan issue for the Republicans and Democrats to address, besides the obvious covid issues?

You don't think the return Star will help our D? Or are you just being a DB tonight Scotty?

What do you think they should work in a bipartisan way on with the democrats?

You don't think they are driving a wedge between this country? Even Fox, OAN and Newsmax? Why do you think politicians like her get into the spotlight? If you honestly believe the hateful ball of spite comment isn't hyperbole then why are you here posting? Like what do you get out of it? It doesn't seem like it's to understand the positions of people you disagree with, because you think they are only hate and spite.

For the record, you have over 4000 posts since July 2020, I haveess than 2000 since 2003. Regardless, but I am realy a lot more interested in discussing issues. I think the hyperpartisan stuff is what's ruining our country. We need to dig in less. So maybe let's try to engage in a civil manner? Agreed?

You should consider a hobby. How do you feel about woodworking? I could loan you some tools if you'd like. Beer making is pretty good too. But getting pleasure out of others perceived unhappiness isn't healthy, unless they are fans of the Patriots. 👎 I beat you to it! I am listening, what intelligent thoughts do you have to offer?

You missed the point. Greene is a nut job. She apologized and was awarded by some in the meeting, that's all I read. Did you read something different? Regardless, the partisan news on the left claims she is the face of the Republican party because it gets liberals blood up and makes you watch their channel. Much like the partisan news on the right claims that an idiot like AOC or an antisemite like Omar is the face of the Democratic party. Do you have anything intelligent to add to the conversation? If not, why bother? Just program your bot to give me a thumbs down and save us both the time. HAH!

Have you considered that the left thinks she is the face of the Republican party for the same reason that the right sees AOC and Omar as the face of the left? And because the news you watch props them up as heels/foils?

Like I said, I understand it, I just don't like it

I hear that argument and my head understands it but my heart HATES it. Kids truly live between June and September. Frankly, I think that a long summer vacation is good for the soul, regardless of age. It's something our European counterparts understand much better than Americans do.

This is true. To many Americans socialism represents people getting something for nothing, and the lazy reaping the benefits of the hard working. American ideals always promised that "if you work hard you can get ahead". The unspoken part of that declaration is that you reap the fruit of your own labor and aren't responsible for everyone else's well being. But our borders are now open, so come on down so YOU can reap the rewards of MY grueling desk job.

Capitalism is the American way, Bill. You may not love it from your side of the border, but it's ingrained into our DNA. At least for many Americans.

Lol, you must be a hit at parties @TB Bills. I picture you scowling in a corner and thumbs downing anyone who comes near you.

You ok buddy?

Is this how you act in the real world? Insulting people and Thumbs Downing things that don't fit into your world view? Why not try to engage in civil discourse and understand why you are of a different opinion? I'll start, I like some of your football takes, but I'm not sure what you stand for politically other than to let everyone know that you hate Trump and his supporters. Can you enlighten me?

You need to find some new porn. 😝

I agree that they tend to make their own trouble, but I'm not sure that "Wacko Trumpism" is really the cause, but more of a symptom. A large portion of the party thinks that establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle act in only their own best interest, not in that of the American public. That's why the idea of Trump is/was so attractive to many, he represents/represented an outsider who wasn't beholden to special interest, and promised to put America and Americans first. Huntsman, on the other hand, is about an established a politician as they come, and if the base wants to win back the white house it needs to find a way to get comfortable with guys like this again. But I don't think that moderates are an endangered species, and I think you really don't either. There are plenty out there, I think that a lot of them are keeping their heads down and trying to just get past the fallout associated with January 6th. It's a no win situation, and politicians (on either side of the aisle) are nothing if not obsessed with self preservation. I believe that once the impeachment process is passed I think you'll see them out in a little more force. But I think that right now, the media is stoking the flames of the Trump fire, because it keeps people tuning in, and it makes the liberal agenda look more mainstream when you highlight the far right crazies.

My point is that a guy like Huntsman would be dead in the water because he was associated with Trump. If you don't think that the left wing of your party has any effect on the republican party at all, I don't know what to tell you. Hell, even look at the news. You really think CNN would be reasonable with that guy? I don't.