stevewin

FWIW - just the messenger... Sirius Opening Drive with Ross Tucker and Bob Papa - Why was Josh Allen the guy Arm strength arm talent attracted them. Granted not all throws are going to be 70 yds, but in practice on Fri saw snap and velocity even on shorter throws. Size hold up in tougher weather – they said they would have drafted him even if in a dome but large hands and size is another factor that attracted them. Came up through a smaller school and Wyoming was only school with offer – Beane has said he likes players who don’t have sense of entitlement, that feel they deserve to be starter and deserve to be great, but rather they want to earn it. Have been players with strong arms before, smaller school prospects that haven’t worked out before – have to wait and see and see if this is a good pick for the Bills. - Allen playing time plan Going to be down towards the bottom in terms as immediate expectations. Beane has said Allen starting as third QB. Clearly a let’s take it slowly situation. They brought in McCarron and believe he showed something in Cinn, hope they can turn it into something where he starts for maybe half a season or a whole season. They don’t want to rule out Peterman either which may sound crazy based on how he played last year, but Sean McD loves Peterman – is very high on him – remains to be seen if justified but would not take him out of equation if he happens to have good TC and preseason. Right now Allen is far behind and like he did in college is going to have to earn his way up and prove himself to be starter. Probably unlikely starts day 1 – see how things unfold during the first half of the season and if we will see Allen in Nov/Dec. - McD can’t love Peterman too much if they made all the deals to move up to be in position to get Allen Will say Beane has always been more vocal about saying they need a franchise QB. Have been joint PCs where McD and Beane are sitting there and Beane talking about how it’s a job for GM to find franchise QB and McD wasn’t at the same level of we need to go out and find a QB – get sense that Beane was much higher on moving up to get QB than McD was - Any fallout in Buffalo from tweets Would say it was a story for a day or two but fans kind of brushed it off as he was in HS and made a mistake – Beane’s attitude as well. Lorax did come out and say Allen might have to answer to it to team mates – did think he deserved a second chance but did think some players might have questions about the racial aspects of some of the tweets. Next week vets and rookies will be together – Allen may address it then but after that it should no longer be an issue - Bills taken biggest step back of any team – losing Tyrod, OL etc – is it a fair statement Yes – certainly think they are up there – I’ve had same opinion and taken a lot of flack for it here. Think take a step back at QB without Tyrod – wrote piece a couple months ago that AJ/Peterman (before Allen) was worst QB duo in NFL. Add in WR situation, don’t know what getting with Benjamin, Zay offseason issues and issues on field last year, and after that they have nothing. The entire passing game a question mark. McCoy 30 with lot of mileage. Lot of question marks on offense. Agree they took a step back. Think they did make the right choice with Tyrod, and trading up to get QB, but was Allen vs Rosen the right choice, how long will it take for offense to come together and team to get back on track – right now don’t think they’re a playoff team - OL was a strength now looks like a weakness Agree. May be another reason why they wait to put Allen in there in case OL is shaky. Left tackle is OK with Dawkins – but questions down the line. Brought in other players – but right now all three middle spots up for grabs. Right now OL in rough shape - (Tucker) Could argue they have worst QB, OL, and WR groups in NFL right now – at least in discussion. Is defense going to be good enough to overcome Depends what they get out of Star – questions if believe what PFF says, Murphy - had an ACL and might be a rusher – didn’t get much out of that position last year between Hughes/Lawson in terms of sacks and would expect Murphy to take over Lawson’s spot (could be surprise cut or trade) – Vontae Davis was hurt last year. Questions marks with those three guys they brought in to bolster defense – right now probably not good enough to overcome deficiencies in offense, but have enough pieces in place where they could be better than last year. At some points last year defense was downright bad - Should be a fascinating journey this season as far as the Bills are concerned with the QB situation and all of the areas that have to get plugged up – pre Tom Brady retirement Yeah should be interesting but think we’re probably another year or two away from any changing of the guard in the AFC East. We’ll have to see how it unfolds in the next couple years Post Papa to Tucker – that was a strong statement about QB, WR, OL all among worst situations Tucker – definitely in discussion for worst for all three position groups. OL stinks now with Incognito and Wood gone, though that’s not their fault – for QB making move to young guy, WR been bad for a while

For some reason it got dusty in my office after that one

Maybe they can replace the train whistle with a heartbeat

Competitiveness, physicality, tackling, tough, and coachable - seems to be a definite fit for the process/culture

He was actually married to a girl I went to HS with. Many years ago spent a night with him eating wings and BSing about the Bills. I remember when they drafted him, I used to have a random San Diego State T-shirt I got from the irregular bin at champion that I used to wear all the time in HS - suddenly it had purpose.

How's his motor?

Tolbert next

lol - the Millennial Zone. Filled with patrons who can't hold their alcohol, want to stand the whole game, think the whole game experience is about them (to hell with how their boorishness affects those around them), glued to their phones, with 1 out of 5 males drunkenly spending the entire time turned with their back to the game waving their arms up screaming "C'mon stand up!"

I don't care what people do in the parking lot - it's the drunken a-holes inside the stadium that affect my game experience that I care about. Maybe they should increase the rowdiness in the parking lot so more people pass out or sufficiently maim themselves so they don't make it into the game

What was Russ's completion percentage?

And gets rid of the train whistle at Bills games

Analytics?

He lost everything on a scheme to con people on a message board so he could buy a parking garage east of Buffalo.

One interesting thing is he addresses the "drop off" perceived by some his senior year (and touched on in this thread)

I just don't understand the level of hatred and vitriol directed toward him before the kid even takes a pro snap. Consensus one of the top QBs, regardless of what your personal opinion/"analysis" is. Undeniable work ethic, athleticism, ceiling etc. etc. Doesn't knock women out, steal seafood, beat dogs, kill baby seals. Because completion percentage? Why the hell wouldn't you at least wait to see how things play out before berating the guy as garbage. You can be disappointed, disagree whether it was the right pick etc. - but to see so much blatant non-support is crazy to me. Just hope the guy succeeds and see how it plays out - all the bitching in the world isn't going to change that.

DB is the new FB

Watched a lot of UNC football last couple years. Switzer was the go to guy for Trubisky in 2016 but Proehl made some real clutch catches as well. His yd/rec was actually higher than Switzer that year. Last year his ave was 16 yds/catch - came back from what was thought for sure to be season ending injury (broken clavicle) to play last two games

It seems lots of Cheater players hate the Cheaters these days

I was referring to essentially the end of his career with the Bills as a productive player (ended his season, then Achilles the first game next season). He was really dominating before that injury.

You need to watch this then

At the end of the day - I'm a Shaquem Griffin fan for life now. What an unbelievable moment. Carroll making it happen almost makes me stop hating him for handing a SB to the Cheaters** ...almost (friggin ahole)

I was at that game in Tampa. At the time didn't realize the significance of the injury when he went down