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Those teams had Peyton Manning. BTW, Marshall won one too.

I'm sorry but you don't build a championship team by trading away your best players for unknowns.

If it weren't for JP, I wouldn't have gone off the deep end in the first place, but I did deserve what I got. But three years???? That was a bit excessive.

Yeah, I got banned for three years for knocking JP. I sure wish the Bills could have seen what I have seen in him.

Congrats Peters.

I just gotta call from a friend who lives in Buffalo saying there is a scheduled press conference at OBD today. Turner Gill is invited. Anyone else hear about this? Turner Gill staying at UB.

I agree.

We're both right. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1545117 NEW YORK -- Justifiable or not -- and there are those on both sides of the fence -- the Minnesota Vikings are catching heat for a second consecutive year, thanks to a botched first-round maneuver. The Vikings were forced on Saturday to make a rare "pass" on their first-round choice, the seventh pick overall, when they were unable to complete a proposed trade with the Baltimore Ravens before the 15-minute time limit lapsed. By taking a "pass," the Vikings delayed their choice, but were permitted to then make it at any ensuing time. But in frenzied flury in the minutes immediately following the Minnesota move, Jacksonville, choosing No. 8 overall, rushed in its card to pick quarterback Byron Leftwich. In lightning time after that, Carolina jumped in to choose offensive tackle Jordon Gross. Minnesota finally exercised its pick at the No. 9 slot, selecting defensive tackle Kevin Williams, one of the fastest-rising players in the lottery. But by that point, the public relations damage had been done. "I'm pissed," said Vikings coach Mike Tice. "There is no other way I can put it." The background: While on the clock Saturday, the Vikings were discussing trades with three teams -- Baltimore, Jacksonville and New England -- all at the same time. Minnesota officials finally settled on the Ravens proposal, a deal that would have permitted Baltimore to jump up three spots and select the much-coveted Leftwich. In return for moving down to the Ravens' spot at No. 10, the Vikings would have gained additional choices in the fourth and sixth rounds. The Vikings insist they turned in their card to NFL officials, indicating the trade, with about 32 seconds remaining on their time limit. But the league apparently did not have verification from Baltimore on its side of the deal. The Ravens, while acknowledging the trade was agreed upon, contended it was not made official because they didn't speak with league official Joel Bussert. "The deal was not consummated,'' general manager Ozzie Newsome told the Associated Press at Baltimore's headquarters. "A deal is not a deal until I talk to Joel Bussert, and I never talked to Joel Bussert.'' One Ravens official did insist, not for attribution, that team officials attempted to call in the trade but that NFL officials did not answer the telephone. League officials denied that contention. Last year, the Vikings were involved in another awkward situation. That day, the Dallas Cowboys traded down from No. 6 to No. 8, and the clock appeared to run out on their trade partner, the Kansas City Chiefs. The Vikings, choosing at No. 7, attempted to submit the name of defensive tackle Ryan Sims, but were told by league officials the Chiefs had legally handed in their card to take the North Carolina star. Instead of getting Sims, a defender they openly coveted, the Vikings were left to take offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie. The former Miami star then become embroiled in a contract impasse and didn't sign with the Vikings until well into October. Unlike a year ago, when they made no secret of the fact they preferred Sims over McKinnie, the Vikings were adamant Saturday they got the prospect they wanted anyway, in Williams. The Oklahoma State star was rated higher on the Minnesota board than other defensive tackles who were still available and higher than cornerback Marcus Trufant.

Didn't they end up with Kevin Williams in that draft? Bone-headed move, but it worked out quite well for them if I'm right.

The Bills should avoid drafting the third best defensive lineman (McCargo), on his OWN TEAM . They should also avoid the 4th or 5th best QB (Losman) in round 1, when there are other players at other positions that didn't even get drafted yet.

We have to go offense in the first round, my choice is the center Alex Mack. Our defense isn't have bad and we could always draft a LB'er in the second round.

Would you reach for Alex Mack at that spot knowing he wont be there when we pick again in the second? I would. He (Mack) is a definite upgrade at center and can change our offense completely.

I hope you're right.

Listen dude, I've been following the Bills long enough to know what RW is thinking. DJ WILL be here next year.

What if the Bills draft Alex Mack, sign Albert Haynesworth and TJ Housh, will you still feel the same way?

Most Bills fans are livid over the fact that DJ will return next year as head coach of the Bills. The Bills FO will have a hard time selling their product to the fans of Buffalo unless something is done. They might fire a coordinator, fire someone in the personnel department or a combination of the two. I personally think the Bills will go out and spend some money on free agents this off season to appease the fan base. What do you think?

Ya think this guy is trying out for the Yankees? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D3u5UquSsE

Actually, it was mine. My thread, although a copycat, was the most recent thread on the subjest, so...LAM!!!! http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=78936&hl=

I'd like to see Jauron and Schonert strung up on the goal post by have time. That's what I wanna see.

I agree. No reason why we can't have fun with it, though.

If you can single out one play that signifies our down fall more than any other, which one will it be? This one is an easy one for me. I believe it was the INT that Trent threw against the Jets for a TD. That play was the beginning of the end in my book. What do you think?

Damn!!! That's worse than G. Dubya's approval rating!

Great news. Maybe now we can reassemble Billy Boys former staff here in Buffalo. Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini and Charlie Weis. I'll take that.

Not a bad idea. I'll take it, as along as that means we have a new head coach.

Is that a promise?