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It does make sense though. Reportedly we offered the same type of deal to Yannick Ngakoue. I think it represents the most he's willing to do for anyone right now. This is what I've been saying and fear when it comes to Hopkins. At this point, Beane isn't spending money. He wasn't spending much all offseason to begin with. He finessed the cap as much as I think he felt comfortable doing and adequately filled the many holes he had. He appears to be doing diligence on a Tre restructure. Hopefully he can get that done and free up enough to get Hopkins attention. Hopefully the incentive laden deal isn't his final offer. When it comes to a Dawkins restructure, I feel he may be hesitant to do that as he may want to get out from under that if he has another bad year. And he's not going to rush his schedule and thinking on extending DT's to get another deal done.

Did those happen in the same season? It's one thing to look into someone and it doesn't work and then they revisit it a season or two later. It's another thing to look into doing something, it doesn't work out, so you make other moves instead and then in the same offseason go "Oh Damn, we can do it now? Well, let's bury those people we spent money and draft picks with on the depth chart, change our plans, and give them all less playing time than I was planning now".

As I've said in another thread, it's great to want him here and figure out ways it could be done. But just because fans are comfortable with doing certain things and see a possible way to do it, doesn't mean Beane will be comfortable doing it and sees things the same way.

Ya know, if we would have kept this to THE DeAndre Hopkins thread, it would have been over 300 by now. Here's hoping the mods merge.

Listen, I get it. You want him on the team. I want him on the team too. I'm just looking at things in terms of the way Beane tends to operates, how he builds teams, and how he has built the team already. And that's not even taking into account beating out the competition and what the competition (if Beane enters the fray at all) will be offering. I also feel that if he wasn't willing to do the type of deal it took to get OBJ in here before he did the things he did in the Draft, it's unlikely he's to do that kind of deal now for Hopkins (and I think that's what it's going to take, if not more) when we're in a worse situation cap wise and have addressed our Receiving core more. Just because you or I would do something or it can be done in one way or another doesn't mean Brandon Beane would do it.

In a vacuum? No. But the point is he spent his money and draft picks on a number of Pass Catchers already. He's built the roster with plans of how each player will be utilized and developed. Doing so with Hopkins already out of his plans. To add him would alter those plans of utilization and development for the guys he has brought in. Like I've said, I would like to see him come here. I would like to see it get done. But I don't see Beane a.) Drastically altering how he envisioned the core this late and b.) Paying what it takes at this point to do so. I feel as though when he spent the last bit of money and filled us to 90, he had put the finishing touches and final bow on the roster until Training Camp and he was happy with it. We'll see if that's the case or not.

Yes, but Beane moving on is Beane moving on. He brought in players in the Draft that he has plans for and filled the roster with players he has plans for. Beane isn't the type to move on from someone, fill the positions the way he'd like with other players, and then double back and alter the group he already formed. Again, I hope I'm wrong. But to me it seems like he did a lot of work on the Pass Catchers already and probably feels like he's already addressed that the way he likes. At most, I see him offering him a team friendly, low risk, high reward, take it or leave it type deal. I can't see him offering an OBJ type level deal after everything he's already done. And that's probably what it's going to take. Best hope is that Hopkins wants to come here so badly that he'll take whatever we'll offer. But I'd bet there will be comparable teams that will be able to offer much more.

Though I'd like to see it, I feel as though between drafting Kincaid in Round 1 (a TE in name only), drafting Shorter in the 5th (who he already said he plans on "having a jersey" and developing), in conjunction with the moves he made for Harty (a 2 year, 9.5m deal with a 4.75 dead cap hit to release - more expensive to cut than keep this season) and Sherfield PLUS spending what little money we had left on Ford, Murray, Cline, and Ray, and completely filling out our 90 man roster - that Beane moved on from Hopkins and is happy with what he has. Maybe he makes him the kind of incentive laden "take it or leave it" deal he reportedly offered Yannick Ngakoue. But I don't see him going balls to the wall and offering what other teams surely will offer.

He's dating Female Hawkeye Kate Bishop now. Josh's girl is going to help save the world from Kang the Conqueror.

Josh is with Kate Bishop? That's sick.

1.) Beane doesn't do an extension simply to make another move. The player needs to want to do it and he needs to want to lock the player up long term. You don't just snap your fingers and do an extension. It takes time. Beane's already said he wants to wait until Training Camp before extending a DT so he can see who's looking good and see who's all in. 2.) Siran Neal is much more important to Beane and McDermott than fans give him credit for. He's our backup Nickel, our only big nickel, and a key contributor on Special Teams. That's why he's stuck around as long as he is. He isn't going anywhere. Like Cover1 said, the quickest, easiest moves are to restructure Dawkins and/or Tre. But I fear he hasn't done it yet because he might want to get out from those contracts in the future, if Tre doesn't return to form or Dawkins regresses more. Restructures may make that more difficult.

To an extent, I agree with that. But there's a difference between giving a guy like Howard a 1 year deal that will cost us 3 to cut bait and say a Harty on a 2 year deal that would cost us 5. And I don't see Harris as a RB having the issues that Howard had transitioning to our system, running routes, and jiving with Josh. Anything's possible, but I would be floored if Harris with the skillset he's bringing in is released in favor of an UDFA.

When you look at investments, a lot of your "almost locks" are just flat out locks. QB - Barkley will not make the 53, even with the QB rule. RB - They just handed Nyheim Hines 4 million upfront as part of a restructure, as well as giving up a 5th Round pick for him less than a year ago. He's a lock. Harris is also a lock. We brought him in specifically to play a role we haven't had in the Backfield. The only question is whether or not we keep 4 RB's on the 53 or just 3. I tend to feel we do keep 4. Then the opportunity for a UDFA to make it over Murray is a small possibility. WR - As you said, Diggs and Davis are stone cold locks. Harty was just handed a 2 year, 9.5m deal with a 4.75m dead cap if released this season. It will cost us more to cut him than keep him this year. He's a lock. Shakir showed a lot of flashes last season and being a 5th Round pick just a year ago, extremely unlikely to be snuck on to the Practice Squad. Shorter also was a 5th investment and it's doubtful they'd risk losing him for nothing. Sherfield was a steal at his contract and will be important to ST and has impressed Josh. Long story short, there's 3 stone cold locks and 3 as close to locks as you can get. I don't see a way any of the other WR's are pushing any of them off the 53. They're all playing for PS spots. TE - Obviously Knox and Kincaid aren't going anywhere. But I see Morris on the outside looking in. Gilliam started as a TE for us and plays a bit of a hybrid role. He signed a large contract for his role last season. With the addition of a very good blocking back in Harris, I could see packages where Harris is in the backfield and Gilliam is blocking on the line in Morris' role, as well as playing his FB role when Harris isn't on the field. Morris is #54 on my roster and sneaking him on to the PS shouldn't be an issue. Zach Davidson is a talented former 5th Round pick who has been with the team since the start of last year. He'd be good insurance in the small event we weren't able to get Morris back. OL - Dawkins, McGovern, Morse, Torrence, Brown, and Bates are all stone cold locks. Morse, as stated by another poster, isn't going anywhere. He's not a trade candidate to save money this year. Bates will either be starting at Guard or he'll be the first off the bench at any spot on the line. I think he may even be the first to start at RT if Brown becomes injured or falters. Edwards, like Sherfield, is too much of a value for what he provides. Plus has history with Kromer. He's as close to a lock as they come. Doyle will start on PUP given the severity of his ACL tear (playing an entire game on it) and repair in October. The final 2 spots are up for grabs, with 1 of Quessenberry or Gouriage and 1 of either Boettger or Broeker, the most likely final 2. DE - If Von starts on PUP, there's no question the competition between AJE, Shaq, Basham, and Ray will be for at least 3 spots, if not all 4 staying until Von returns. There's no way we start the season with only 3 DE's. Likely, we keep 5 DE's on the roster at all times. Just as we did last season. DT - Oliver, Jones, and Ford are all stone cold locks. Phillips and Settle are also as close to locks as possible. I see all 5 making the 53 and it being extremely unlikely either Phillips or Settle are unseated by Bryant or Ankou. LB - Agreed that Milano and Williams are locks. But Bernard is as well. There's no way Beane releases a 3rd Round pick after only one season. Regardless of how he looks in Training Camp or Pre-Season, he's going to get at least 2 seasons. Matakevitch being the most important ST'er we have is also a lock. Then it comes down to Klein and Dodson, IMO. I see both being kept. But if they decide to keep only 5, it will be one or the other. Baylon Spector is a fan favorite. But I can't see him knocking any of the LB's we have off the 53, even if we keep 6. Re-signing both Klein and Dodson and drafting Williams sealed his fate. CB - Agreed on all counts. White, Elam, Benford, Johnson, Jackson, and Neal are all etched in stone to me, save for injuries. S - Poyer, Hyde, and Rapp are locks. Then it comes down to the 4th and final Safety spot. Which to me, is pretty cut and dry. Either Hamlin returns to form and is completely ready to go, in which case he'll be on the 53 and Marlowe goes to the Practice Squad. Or he isn't, is put on a Designated list and Marlowe stays on the 53. I don't see Anderson staying as a 5th Safety for his ST. Any other ST'er is too vital as a backup compared to Anderson. Neal is our only other Nickel CB on the 53.

Like Rappaport says in this, Hopkins is talking out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand he talks about Arizona as if he's happy and doesn't want to go anywhere. On the other, he's listing QB's he'd like to play with. Everyone's focusing on the bit he said about Josh. But if you watch the whole interview, he doesn't seem to be pushing his way out and talks glowingly about Murray. Not to mention other QB's besides Josh. Nothing has changed. Arizona isn't looking to move him. He's not forcing his way out. And we don't have the money to do it, nor is Beane comfortable with doing the cap finessing of adding dead years to his deal if we could.

Either Hamlin is ready to go full bore and is on the 53 with Marlowe on the Practice Squad or he's not and he'll be out on a designated list with Marlowe on the 53. Miller will be on the 53. He's not starting the year on PUP and being shut down for a minimum of 6 games. His injury and surgery were not the same as Tre's. His recovery time is much quicker than that. Beane has said he expects to have him most, if not all of the season and Von himself says he's on pace to not miss any time and at most a game or two.

Damn, I loved calling them The Commies.

They are. But we don't have the money. Beane said he tried to get a DE in here post Draft but couldn't do it. Reportedly we offered an incentive laden deal to Yannick Ngakoue and he passed on it. I'm sure he offered the same deal to others as well. When that didn't happen, he first put in a claim for Kameron Cline. Then he gave Shane Ray a tryout and signed him after he liked what he saw. After that and bringing back Shaq Lawson previously in the Offseason, I don't expect any other moves. We have 9 DE's on the roster already.

I have it the exact same way on the 53, but with a 9th OL (either Broeker or Boettger) instead of a 5th Safety. Either Hamlin is ready and Marlowe goes to the PS or Hamlin isn't, he goes to a designated list, and Marlowe is the 4th Safety. 5 Safeties for 2 positions and 8 OL for 5 positions doesn't add up to me. For the Practice Squad, Doyle will go to PUP instead opening up a spot for Zach Davidson. I also like Jordan Mims over Isaiah Bowser and Jalen Wayne over one of the WR's. But we'll have to wait to the Pre-Season to see that play out. Doyle will go to PUP. Phillips had rotator cuff surgery at the end of February. At most, he'll need 6 months. He'll be ready for the start of the year. Von will not go to PUP. His ACL injury and surgery were not to the full extent of Tre's. He and Beane have said on multiple occasions that they expect to have him for up to the entire year. Von has said at most he'll miss a game or two. Their moves or lack thereof at the position go hand in hand with those sentiments. There's no way they're going to shut him down until Week 7 at the minimum.

It's how Beane wants it. After spending a 3rd on Bernard last season and him being brought along slowly as a Rookie, he wants to give him every opportunity to win the job and validate his investment. But he also covered his bases in case he can't. In the event he can't, he brought back A.J. Klein (as well as Tyrel Dodson) as steady veteran insurance. Also drafting Dorian Williams as further insurance, or at the very least depth at both MLB and OLB. Taylor Rapp will also surely be deployed further upfield in some packages and McDermott will scheme around the MLB position. I find it funny how (not necessarily saying you) some fans spent all of the past few years saying Edmunds was "just a guy" or a liability and we couldn't get any worse. Now everyone's stressed about the shape of MLB now that he's gone.

With yesterday's additions of Dean Marlowe and Joel Wilson, all 90 roster spots have been filled. If there are further additions, it will require someone being released. As it stands now, here is our roster heading into Training Camp: QB: Josh Allen #17 Kyle Allen #9 Matt Barkley #5 RB: James Cook #4 Damien Harris #22 Nyheim Hines #0 Latavius Murray #28 Jordan Mims #35 Isaiah Bowser #38 - Reggie Gilliam #41 WR: Stefon Diggs #14 Gabe Davis #13 Deonte Harty #11 Khalil Shakir #10 Trent Sherfield #16 Justin Shorter #18 KeeSean Johnson #81 Dezmon Patmon #19 Isaiah Coulter #82 Jalen Wayne #87 Braydon Johnson #15 Tyrell Shavers #80 Bryan Thompson #89 TE: Dalton Kincaid #86 Dawson Knox #88 Quintin Morris #85 Zach Davidson #84 Joel Wilson #48 OL: Dion Dawkins #73 Connor McGovern #66 Mitch Morse #60 O'Cyrus Torrence #64 Spencer Brown #79 - Ryan Bates #71 David Quessenberry #77 David Edwards # Tommy Doyle #72 Ike Boettger #65 Nick Broeker #67 Richard Gouraige #75 Greg Mancz #62 Kevin Jarvis #63 Alec Anderson #70 Ryan Van Demark #74 DE: Von Miller #40 Greg Rousseau #50 Shaq Lawson #90 A.J. Epenesa #57 Carlos Basham Jr. #55 Shane Ray #56 Kingsley Jonathan #59 Kameron Cline # Kendal Vickers #93 DT: Ed Oliver #91 DaQuan Jones #92 Poona Ford #98 Jordan Phillips #97 Tim Settle #99 Brandin Bryant #93 DJ Dale #61 Eli Ankou #51 Cortez Broughton #94 LB: Matt Milano #58 Terrel Bernard #43 Dorian Williams #42 A.J. Klein #54 Tyrel Dodson #53 Tyler Matakevitch #44 Baylon Spector #54 Travin Howard #45 CB: Tre'Davious White #27 Kaiir Elam #24 Dane Jackson #39 Taron Johnson #7 Christian Benford #47 Siran Neal #33 Cam Lewis #39 Alex Austin #29 Ja'Marcus Ingram #46 Kyler McMichael #31 S: Jordan Poyer #21 Micah Hyde #23 Taylor Rapp #20 Damar Hamlin #3 Dean Marlowe #31 Zayne Anderson #38 Jared Mayden #36 ST: Tyler Bass #2 Sam Martin #8 Reid Ferguson #69

This is why they pinpointed Connor McGovern as the best fit for their scheme and signed him. This is why they Drafted O'Cyrus Torrence. This is why they signed David Edwards. They have faith in Spencer Brown. But I feel like in doing so much at Guard, they're hoping to utilize Ryan Bates more as insurance at all positions on the line, including OT - the position he started as in the NFL. If Brown is to falter, it wouldn't shock me to see Ryan Bates play at RT instead of turning to Quessenberry.

This is like "Fans making something out of Hopkins being in Toronto Part III or IV" in this thread. Guy spends a lot of time there. Probably even has a place up there.

I do think there's a possibility that Anderson becomes so undeniable as a Special Teams player that he's kept for that reason alone. But I think it's a small possibility as our roster is very tight and most of our core ST'ers provide more at their natural positions than Anderson would as a 5th Safety. But again, no one is being traded at Safety. Hyde, Poyer, and Rapp aren't going anywhere. There's zero possibility after everything Hamlin went through that if he returns to playing form, we'd ship him off to another team. That would be terrible for the locker room, terrible for PR, and terrible for him to learn a whole new system on top of everything else he's being expected to overcome. And when it comes to Dean Marlowe, Zayne Anderson, and Jared Mayden - no one's going to give up a pick for any of those guys. Anderson was cut by the Chiefs and spent all of last season unsigned. We traded for Marlowe at the end of last season only because we were completely ravaged by injuries at the Safety position and he knew the system already. Literally no one else would have traded for him but us. Even when we did, we gave up one of the last picks in the Draft for him and the Falcons were thrilled to give him to us for that. He then spent all of this offseason without any takers. All 3 of these guys are guys will go unsigned to a 53 if released (and at least 2 definitely will, if not all 3) and might be a Practice Squad player for another team, if not brought back to ours. But yeah, no one's trading a pick for any of these players.

Benford isn't going to Safety. That was a fall back plan if FA played out poorly and was an idea that was never confirmed. With the expected line up of the 53 at CB & Safety - we have better depth than we've had in years. Trading away that quality depth doesn't make sense. The way I see it shaking out is fairly simple: Outside CB: Tre White Kaiir Elam Christian Benford Dane Jackson Nickel CB: Taron Johnson Siran Neal (ST) S: Micah Hyde Jordan Poyer Taylor Rapp Damar Hamlin (if he can return to form, Dean Marlowe if he can't)

It's Rapp v. no one. He is clearly the 3rd Safety. With the re-signings of Poyer and Marlowe, Hyde and Hamlin returning from injury, and the addition of Rapp - there's no need to move Benford to Safety anymore. I think that was something that was discussed in the event we lost Poyer and with Hamlin's uncertainty. Now that we're getting both back plus all the other things we've done, Benford will give us great depth at CB. Between White, Elam, Benford, and Jackson, all 4 of our Outside CB's on the 53 are players who have started for us. Ultimately, it comes down to Hamlin v. Marlowe for the 4th and Final Safety spot on the 53. And Marlowe is probably more insurance than anything else. If Hamlin returns to form and doesn't miss a beat, the job is his. If he cannot or is a different player, he'll probably be out on some sort of IR designated list so he can get his 3 years and be a vested player in the league eligible for a pension and Marlowe will be the 4th. Mayden is most likely just a camp body. But if he proves undeniable as a Special Teamer, maybe they keep 5 and eliminate another Special Teams player at another position to carry him. No one is being traded. No one is going to trade for Marlowe if Hamlin returns to form. If Hamlin returns to form, we're not going to trade him after everything that has happened. And Poyer, Hyde, and Rapp aren't going anywhere either. Benford will be a CB. Always slays me when we have good depth across the board at a position and fans want to trade players away.