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Von Miller will return much closer to his pre-injury form than the form we saw last season. We would have won the Super Bowl save for catastrophic injuries and leaders not returning to form from the year before. Even with McDermott. Tre'Davious White should be released. Jordan Poyer will stick for one more season. Nyheim Hines will be on the 53 Week 1. We shouldn't take a 2nd WR in the Draft until Round 4.

In a vacuum, it's WR first. We need a starter there and difference makers at that position will be out of our price range in FA or Trade. But it really depends on how the board falls and what we've been able to do in FA. If we aren't able to address DT (need a starter and 3 more for rotation and depth) or DE (need a guy you feel comfortable starting as we can't strictly rely on Von), there's a guy who's sticking out at one of those positions, and the guys we absolutely love at WR are gone and there's a group of guys they like that are similarly graded - maybe we wait. But if that's the case and they do go D-Line in Round 1 - then he needs to trade up from 60 to secure one of the WR's he likes before there's another drop off talent wise. Absolutely cannot afford to wait until 60 and hope someone falls in their lap.

I like Legette quite a bit. Tall, fast, big body. Good routes, good hands. I think he's being overlooked a bit right now and think he's someone who is going to rise in the Pre-Draft process.

3 of the first 4 picks at WR alone is absolutely not happening. As it is, the 2nd WR taken will be getting minimal targets with Diggs, Franklin, Shakir, and Kincaid ahead of them in the pecking order as is. A 3rd one would mean one of the picks would barely see the field, if they even dress at all. You're not going to spend 3rd & 4th picks for those roles, with the amount of holes we have to fill and the depth of the class at WR. We have to address holes we have at DT (of which we have to find a starter and 3 more rotational guys), DE (a guy who can start, as we can't rely on Miller without insurance, and a rotational rusher), and Safety (1, possibly 2 starters, if we let go of Poyer). We're not going to be able to do all of that in Free Agency and 1 pick at those spots before Round 5 is not enough.

I haven't looked at him yet. Just kind of starting and haven't really gone in depth beyond some of the bigger names. Really liked what I saw from Troy Franklin, Xavier Legette, and Keon Coleman. They kind of jumped off the screen to me. I'd say at 6'7", it would really come down to how he tests at the Combine and Pro Day. Most guys THAT big are giving up some speed and athletic ability. If he were to test really well, he'll climb. If he tests average or below, quite possible that he falls to the end of Round 3 or later, given the depth of the class. Another thing we have to take into account with these guys is how they look on video is great. But if they don't interview well and don't show a love of the game, a desire to be great, an understanding of what they need to improve on, a high intellect for the game and position, and appear coachable - what they've done won't matter to this regime. Those things weigh just as heavy as what they see on the video, maybe even more. And we won't know who's impressed them there and who didn't. Kelvin Benjamin could make Beane less into the idea though. He saw first hand how a really big WR can backfire. Especially if their fire is lacking. I'd also say that everyone who says he loved him is projecting. He was just the Assistant GM, not the guy who picked him. It would be like saying Brian Gaine had to have loved everyone Beane took last year.

I just started really diving into the WR's. This is a much better class than last year's and way deeper. Some of the guys who will be available later probably would have cost a full Round higher in another year. All the more reason to wait until our 4th pick for a double dip. Anyone who is considered a Slot WR at the Pro Level though - I'm not interested in, outside of a late round flyer. In Khalil Shakir and Dalton Kincaid, we already have two guys who work out of the slot that I want on the field as much as possible. Last season, all we had was slot WR's as depth. To the point where when Davis went down, we had no choice but to put Sherfield, Harty, or Shakir out wide. Stick to Tall, Fast, and Strong guys.

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We reportedly didn't get much in terms of offers for Elam at the deadline. If the offers continue to be a bag of balls like trade, I'd rather just hold on to him. Entering Year 3 of AJ Epenesa, he was written off just as much as Elam. And then he developed into a solid player. Some guys catch on immediately. Some guys are late bloomers and develop later. Elam was on IR for a good portion of last year. When he came on in relief in the Pittsburgh playoff game, he got an important INT. I'm not ready to just send him packing for nothing.

I covered the reasons in another thread, but it's not going to happen. I'd imagine he takes a paycut. But Hines is going to get Training Camp to show whether or not he's still got it.

Sort of true. I think there's guys out there that could keep the boat afloat until Josh comes back. If he's done for the year though, yeah, I don't see anyone there winning us a Super Bowl. But the best Backup's are surely going to be signed by guys who are Drafting a Rookie this season as a Bridge QB or insurance in the event that they deem they're not ready. Or as guys who can compete or provide insurance to QB's who are underperforming. That list includes Gardner Minshew, Ryan Tannehill, and Tyler Huntley. But even if those guys were available to be true Backup's, their price tag is going to be more than we're willing to spend on that role given our cap situation and the amount of holes we have to fill. Outside of that list, you're looking at guys like Jameis Winston, Tyrod Taylor, Jacoby Brissett, Sam Darnold, Marcus Mariota, Teddy Bridgewater, and Joe Flacco. Probably some guys on that list that will cost more than we're willing to pay too.

You'd rather have Kyle Allen? I think Trubisky is better than he is. We're not going to get a great Backup. They're few and far between and are backups for a reason.

There is no way for Nabers/Odunze. It's possible they're both gone by Pick 6. Practically a sure thing both will be gone by Pick 12 at the latest. It would simply cost too much to get that high and would almost definitely involve a 1st next year. They're great, but I don't see Beane moving two 1st's for anyone. You are almost 100% guaranteed to get one of the WR's on your next list. But as I see it, two of them is only happening in the following scenarios: 1.) We don't spend money on a veteran FA like Hollywood Brown. If we do, a 2nd Drafted WR would be behind Diggs (he's not going anywhere), the 1st WR we Draft, Shakir, Kincaid, and the Brown level vet in targets. You probably don't spend a Day 2 pick on a guy who's probably going to be 5th in the pecking order of targets. You definitely don't with someone who will be 6th - especially with the wide array of holes we have to fill. and 2a.) We trade down from 28 and pick up another 2nd or 3rd, so we have 4 picks by the end of Day 2, instead of 3. But in that scenario, you're def not getting Thomas Jr. and probably not Franklin either. It would be two from the second list. or 2b.) We trade up from Round 4 to get someone on the bottom of that 2nd list that fell to the late 3rd or early 4th. Allowing us to still get 2 starters at other positions before going back to WR.

It's his primary position. And for a reason. He has versatility wherein certain matchups and certain alignments, they can occasionally put him there. Just like we can occasionally split Shakir out wide. But if he could match up with everyone's outside long WR's, he wouldn't be playing primarily Nickel.

I think that was just people jumping to conclusions when we didn't move up for Elam until after McDuffie came off the board. The thought by some was that we liked McDuffie and Elam and were cool to stand pat, until McDuffie came off the board. At the time, I thought the same. But when I mentioned that around here at the time, posters all said the same thing - that McDuffie's a Nickel at the Pro level. Seeing as how that's how KC is using him as well (to great results), I really don't think we were looking at him to fill the role on the Outside. Nor does it make sense that we'd have spent a 1st on someone to replace Taron Johnson who was playing well already and developing at Nickel, when we had a hole on the Boundary.

I was commenting on someone discussing how upset they were that the Chiefs got McDuffie and we got Elam and the picks turned out the way they did. Regardless of what either of you think regarding McDuffie v. Taron (even if McDuffie is better, Taron was better than 30/31 other Nickels this season) - Taron was already a very good Nickel when we were Drafting. And we needed to fill the hole on the Boundary replacing Levi Wallace. McDuffie wouldn't have been the pick even if he were on the board. His height and arm length always meant he'd be a Nickel. Opining over McDuffie v. Elam is like being upset over someone getting a really good Guard when we were in the market for a Tackle.

I mean, it sucks that the Chiefs got a good player. But McDuffie's size and arm length pretty much guaranteed he'd be a Nickel CB. He's a great one at that, but so is Taron Johnson (McDuffie is 1st Team AP, Taron is 2nd) and we already had him in house. We weren't in the market for a Nickel CB. We needed a Boundary CB.

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Thank you. I agree with the sentiment that we need to focus on getting Josh help. Finding young starters on Day 2 and inexpensive FA's on Defense instead of expensive FA's and 1st Round Picks. But people are going overboard with the hyperactive ignoring of the Defense entirely with their all WR mocks and trades that involve starting players who have no business starting, with no depth behind it. We can do both. Focus on Offense and also not put out the kind of Defense we had when we were playing KC, or worse.

I mean, I agree with the sentiment of having everyone on hand and them underperforming. But considering Floyd wasn't a hundred, Daquan wasn't having the same impact he was prior to the injury he had returned from, Phillips was lost for the year, and Von never came close to sniffing 100% all year - "fully healthy" isn't completely accurate.

Somebody tell San Fran that investing in Defensive players is a waste of time against KC.

I disagree with this. I believe when you have Josh Allen, you always have a chance. It took Peyton until 31 before he did it with the team that Drafted him. Josh Allen is 27 years old. It's not a matter of if we don't do it this year, it will never happen. And if we did this and it didn't happen this year, it'd be even harder then it needs to be to get back the following year. What does replacing Von next year either way have to do with the fact that you're giving away key assets to be able to do so? As it is, you've mentioned using that 2nd (our first pick in your scenario) to replace both our Starting WR hole from Diggs and our Starting Center hole from Morse. I see your point of view in a sense. And I agree that we need to worry less about other positions and worry more about the Offense. But you can do that without going completely overboard. Replacing starters with 2nd and 3rd Round picks instead of 1st's or big money FA's is focusing less at those places. Just having *A* X WR opposite Diggs with 1st Round talent would help him and be an upgrade over what we had when we lost to the Chiefs by 3. This is a good WR draft. I mean, you're operating as if us getting Josh a Brian Thomas Jr. or a Troy Franklin is akin to doing him dirty. The guy we get in Round 1 could be an Elite talent with Josh. Marvin Harrison Jr. could have a catastrophic injury right out of the gate. The best WR in the Draft last season was drafted in round 5. You just never know. Ultimately, this may be how you feel things should go. But Beane has said time and again that he will not put the team in a position where they aren't competitive every season. He's not going to go all in on one year and say to hell with next year. Also, as @GunnerBill has said, I don't think Arizona would even take the trade anyways.

It's not just depth and it's not just about this year. You'd have us unequivocally starting Von Miller at DE following how he looked last year, with our only insurance there being Shaq Lawson. Replacing Bernard with a reserve level MLB QB'ing the Defense, who hasn't played that role since 2022. And then next year when we'll need to find another starting WR to replace Stefon Diggs, a starting DE to replace Von Miller, a starting Center to replace Mitch Morse, and a starting Right Tackle to replace Spencer Brown - we'll have 1 pick in the first 3 Rounds, a 2nd being our highest. You've given away our 2nd this year, so any hope to find someone to develop into those roles would have to be found Round 3 and later, where it's much harder to hit. Not to mention needing a number of those picks to fill the many holes this year. There's good reason as to why this is HIGHLY unlikely to happen. Any hope for a move up for Marvin Harrison Jr. went out the window when we went on that 5 game winning streak.

And that's why you Draft one in Round 1. You pair him with Diggs, Shakir, and Kincaid. That's 4 solid to very solid weapons. Last year we only had 3 as Gabe was either a non-presence or injured for the majority of the year, so we're already upgraded there. And we'll add more there early on Day 3. Maybe even a FA late in the process that becomes available or overplayed their hand and has to settle for less, like we did with Floyd at DE (more on that later) You're cool with Groot, Von, Shaq, and Jonathan as our DE's? It's not just Epenesa we're losing, but Leonard Floyd too. I like Shaq, but I need a little more insurance than that in the event that Von doesn't bounce back - and I'm more optimistic about that than most are. And as for the OL - I'm not talking about just this year. It's next year when we'll need to find a new Center and a new RT (or pay for Brown). As well as probably Stefon Diggs and Von Miller. And you're giving away our 1st and 3rd that year. I'm all for adding pieces. Drafting 1 in the 1st and another later on. But this? This is the Sammy Watkins trade on crack. I love Harrison as a prospect. Looks like a sure thing. But Sammy was also considered the most sure thing at WR in a long time too. And what happened? Did we learn nothing? The guy we'll get at 28 or with a minor trade up could end up to be just as good as Harrison, possibly even better. And you don't have to give up this metric sh-t ton of picks and a guy like Bernard to do it. The difference between a prospect like Troy Franklin or a prospect like Marvin Harrison Jr. is not worth adding in 60, 2025's 1st, 2025's 3rd, Terrel Bernard, and Kaiir Elam to me. I get prioritizing weapons, but you can't deprioritize everything else that much.

So 2 1st's, a 2nd this year, a 3rd next year, Terrel Bernard, and Kaiir Elam for Marvin Harrison Jr? Yeah, no, I'm good. As much as I'd love to have him, we're 52m over the cap. We have to find a starting WR. We also have to find (as I said above) a starting DE, a starting DT (and 3 more for rotation), a starting Safety (possibly 2) - plus other depth for this year. Dodson played OLB this year. He can play MLB, but the drop off from what Bernard was giving us would be massive. And Bernard could develop into even better than he was this year. Next year, 3/5 of our starting OL are FA's. Diggs might be out the door following this season. This scenario would have us having to fill everything else this year with what little cap space we can come up with and no pick higher than Round 3. And then next year having only Rounds 2, 4, and onward - while downgrading MLB. Absolutely cannot afford this in any way, shape, or form.