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San Fran already has their pick in too.

And then they started.... Running Back 🥁

Mason Graham is a safe pick. But kind of a surprise in the Top 5.

We're not talking about Revel. We're talking about Will Johnson.

This is what I was talking about in the ridiculous "Trade up to 2" thread when people were arguing trade packages to move to 2 from 30. They just paid 2 1st's, a 2nd, and a 4th to move up THREE picks. You can throw out the trade chart if you want that pick.

Great trade for Cleveland. Jacksonville doing Jacksonville things.

Not for us lol

His injury isn't expected to have him not ready by Week 1. The question is how much of the offseason does he miss and how will missed time in Training Camp (if that happens) effect his ability to start Week 1? Especially with a conservative with (most) Rookies coach like McDermott. You're entitled to your opinion. But I think it's a severely flawed mindset to say you'd take a lesser player that can play right away as opposed to a consensus Top 10 talent that may or may not be ready by Week 1. Johnson isn't a situation of a player that's expected to miss significant time in his Rookie year. He might just have to play a little catch up. This is the type of player we shouldn't be able to sniff. If you can get a potentially Elite talent in the 20's and have him under a Rookie deal for 4 years simply bc he's not 100% on Draft Day and may or may not be ready Week 1 - you jump at that opportunity, where we're picking.

He'd be a Top 10 selection without the medical. And his injury isn't expected to make him miss time in season. It could make him miss some of the offseason though. But we do have veteran options in White and Jackson that could hold the fort for a little while until he gets up to speed. And in the long term, you've brought a Top 10 type talent to the team. I don't think you should take a lesser talent bc they're available right away at Rookie Mini Camp and Training Camp as opposed to a guy of greater talent bc they might not be ready Week 1 of their Rookie season.

What has Will Johnson all of a sudden slipping by prognosticators? It seemed to me like up until less than a week ago, he was a given to go in like the top 12 picks. But over the past few days, more and more Draft people have him within reach of us or outright falling to us. Did people start hearing things or something?

If we get to around 28 and we're still standing pat, the board isn't falling right, and Jaxson Dart is on the board - I pretty much expect we're trading out to them.

It's wild to me how much talk is floating around about Malaki Starks. EVERYONE who covers the Bills is pushing the idea that the Bills may do it and talking about the merits or pitfalls of doing so. It makes me wonder how we've gotten here. Did Bills brass float something out there? Is it a smokescreen?

Definitely nothing. This is the equivalent of a journalist doing what posters do here. There's a million and a half "what if?" clickbait articles based on a journalist floating out an idea of a trade or signing that they think would be a good idea this time of the year. This is nothing more than that.

You spam post "Cook and 30 for 12" as if you think the more times you post it, the less ridiculous it will be...

Yeah, i've noticed that too. Lots of Bills media hyping up the idea of Drafting Starks at 30 today. It's just a little off. Round 1 (30) + Round 4 (109) + Round 6 (177) = 234 pts. Pick 24 = 237 pts. Would probably need to throw in Round 6 (206) as well (4 pts.). 30, 109, and 206 is a perfectly even trade for #25 at 230 pts. though and would allow us to keep 177. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

They'd need to have the 2nd Pick in the Draft to be in a position to have "these two players in front of them". Which as you said, has no chance of happening. But if we did, in my opinion - it's Hunter. He's elite at both WR and CB. While no one is playing 100% of the snaps on both Offense and Defense, he could have a base position and still play packages on the other side of the ball. And he can switch base position where needed when there's injuries. Given both are positions of need for us, I value the need for Playmakers on Offense more than most, and that it's a Defensive Line Draft - I'd go Hunter and then address Edge on Day 2. But you really can't go wrong either way. To me, they're the 2 best players in this class and by a pretty big margin.

He's sitting out Voluntary OTA's. This isn't shocking and was pretty much expected. And Beane doesn't have a problem with it. The last report from Schefter is he's unhappy about his contract (obviously) but will play for us this year. If something changes and he decides to hold out during mandatory practices or games, it's worth revisiting then. But the outrage over this reads like people who want him traded using it as a reason to do so. The reality is, nothing's changed. We all expected this.

Adam Schefter's take that we could spend 30 on a LB with Milano and Dorian on the roster.

Palmer is a proven career yearly average of 572 yards, a WR2/3 guy. Samuel is a proven Slot that we hoped could be an Outside guy, but still used 50% on the Inside. Palmer might be taking the role Cooper was supposed to provide us, but he hasn't proven that he's anything more than what he's done as of yet. And even if he fills Cooper's role on paper - we still don't have a hole where Mack Hollins was. Given that when it mattered against the Championship caliber teams of Baltimore and Kansas City, our core wasn't enough, it was my hope that we would seriously upgrade WR this offseason. Palmer is another hope and projection that he can be more than what he's been (like Hollins and Samuel last season). So i'd hope the board falls right and we get a WR worthy of a 1st or 2nd Round Pick to provide the most talented guy we can for that last spot. Because relying on Palmer, Coleman, and Samuel to be more than what they were last year is a hope and not something we should be 100% relying on.

You must not have been closely watching then. Rasul Douglas was not our #1. He wasn't lined up on the opposing team's top Outside WR last season. That was Benford's man. No one considered Rasul Douglas our #1 CB last season.

Did you watch the Bills last year?

... what? Did you read the affidavit? What's to "flip"? They have medical. Where they met her after the medical staff called the Police. They have text messages of him admitting to it. Text messages of him offering her money and asking her to sign an NDA. Again, this isn't "an allegation". This is a Felony charge. And they don't charge for Rape easily. 9 times out of 10 they investigate for a long time and feel they don't have enough evidence to charge. They had more than enough in this instance. A retaliatory lawsuit against her changes nothing on the criminal charge. It's a common scare tactic done in hopes that they'll refuse to testify in exchange for them dropping the suit. "Witnesses"? Like what? Someone else in the room watching and filming? He's already apologized to her when confronted while the police were watching the exchange and tried to blame it on being drunk by saying "alcohol makes me do things". As long as that charge stands, no one's touching him anywhere near where you have him. I'd be shocked if someone picked him at all. They'd have to stand on a podium and explain why they're supporting someone charged with Rape and believe that law enforcement has it wrong and they'll be behind him through the trial - with everything available to the public.

Most of the posts in here are people who are excited that he's here and think he's going to start. Or people who are against it because he's prob toast and they shouldn't have signed him in the first place. Personally, I don't think it's that huge on either side of the spectrum. He's a guy who we're probably paying such little guarantees to that if it doesn't look like it's working out in Training Camp, they can walk away from him. But he's someone who knows the system and has been successful in it. He was put into situations in LA that didn't play to his strengths like our Defense does. I don't believe his signing changes their Draft plans at all. It's just a little something more to the room in case the Draft board doesn't fall right. Outside of guys like Asante Samuel or Stephon Gilmore who are unlikely to come here or are not really fits, it's not like there's really a CB available in the veteran market that would be a clear upgrade over White. Even Douglas doesn't feel like an upgrade over White. Ultimately, I think Tre White makes the team - it just means Dane Jackson doesn't. We only keep 5 (+Cam Lewis who is a floating backup Safety and backup Nickel). Benford and Johnson are givens, they really like Ingram as a developing player and ST'er, and we'll definitely Draft at least one. So something will probably have to give between White and Jackson, unless they surprise me and move on from Ingram.