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I get it. Especially from an agent standpoint, as I mentioned. Doesn't make it any less disappointing to not see how he compares to the other guys in the class in a shared environment. I understand it, but you still want to see it. I'm sure GM's are probably the same way. Expected him to be shut down, but would have rather seen a whole show.

Because like I said, the Combine records are littered with Track stars that didn't translate to the next level. I want to see that he can do things at the same level where it counts compared to everyone else. If he were to drop a ball or wasn't the best gauntlet of the bunch, not the end of the world. It's not going to drop him. Just show you can do the drills at a solid level. Straight line speed is great. But I want to see he's a complete WR and a guy with competitiveness. If you're good at it, you should have no reason not to do it. It would raise him even more if he did. On one hand, I get it from an Agent standpoint. He still has his Pro Day to show these things. But that's a completely controlled environment and lacks the comparison to the rest of the class. Just disappointing to see.

Wow. They corrected it to 4.21, the fastest time ever. Congrats to that young man! But is he not running anything on the field and calling it a day now? I don't like that.

My dude, I think you're really setting yourself up for disappointment with the non-stop 28 AND 60 posts. We usually fill 2 starting holes in Round 1 and Round 2. And with the amount of money we don't have this year and the amount of holes we have, it's more likely than ever this year. Between Diggs, Round 1 WR, Kincaid, Shakir, and Knox - the next WR we take is looking at theoretically at best - 5th in targets and reps. The kind of reps that player would have isn't something you spend a 2nd on. Meanwhile the odds that we'll need a Starter at another position like DE, DT, S or at least a DE or DT that would be 3rd in rotation who would be seeing the field FAR more is almost a given. I do think we'll double down later. But if you're going to get upset if we only take 1 at 28 - probably best to prepare yourself for that now.

Now 4.22. That's even faster than I expected. Wow. Will be interested to see his field drills to ensure he's more than just a track star and has the fundamentals. If you look at the Top 40 times of all time at the Combine - it's not exactly a who's who of NFL stars. My concerns with size and college usage still remain. However, with Franklin not coming close as I expected - if he can show he has the requisite skills, I may think about looking past some of those things.

We always probably were going to have to, honestly, at least a few picks. Fun to see him sitting there at 28 in mocks - but I never saw that as much of a possibility.

That's still less than 3/4 of the time on the Outside in the College level. There are guys who are thought of as Outside guys that have to switch to the Slot at the Pro Level. At 5'11 with a 36" vertical, 185 pounds soaking wet, and less than 75% usage on the Outside at the College level - it's *at best* a projection to say you can stick him on the boundary 90% or more in the NFL and that it's going to work out best for him.

He's a Slot. Plain and simple. His success comes from working the middle of the field. You're nerfing him sticking him on the Outside. We did it in emergency situations last season and the results weren't nearly the same as when he was in the Slot. Fans see success out of the slot and assume that he can be #2 Outside. It's incorrect.

Our roster is littered with Slot guys or guys you can put on the Boundary part time or in an emergency. It's a problem we had when Davis went down. We didn't have 1 solid option to stick on the Outside opposite Diggs. Everyone wants to make Shakir an Outside guy, but Shakir isn't much of a factor there. His success comes from working the middle of the field. When we split him out Wide, we're nerfing him. We're desperately lacking on the Outside. It's all aboard the Thomas, Legette, Mitchell train in Round 1.

Exactly this. Even NFL Network said he's looked at as a Slot, but he can probably play some Outside too. I don't see us looking at Slot guys or even Tweeners in Round 1. McConkey is at best a Tweener. We need a guy who is a True Outside guy.

Unlikely. As @GunnerBill pointed out in a previous post, there's a long skew of teams between the 3rd coming off and when we're picking that are covered at WR and have much bigger needs. For us as fans, a lot of this stuff we're seeing is new. But teams go into this with a pretty good idea of where guys are at. Most people knew Mitchell would run pretty well. The 4.35 timed speed is great. But it's not going to move him up the board THAT much. I see it moving him from that early 2nd Round - fringe 1st Round, middle of the 2nd tier of WR discussion, to securing probably the 5th WR off the board, at best. And as others have said, his field testing hasn't been great. We haven't seen Brian Thomas run yet and there's a chance he's just as fast and will probably look better in testing.

I'll take his gauntlet over Franklin's all day, sideline lapse or not. Woof!

I've been saying it this whole time - Legette was being slept on and is going to rise when the Combine and Pro Day comes and his measurements and times are done.

Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts.

Gotta say, I'm disappointed in Troy Franklin's time. That's not to say 4.41 is slow. It's just his "elite" speed is what separated him from others for me and made it easier to look past his skinny frame. This is why I've been all about him. You don't get 4.39 on a body like that every day.

Maybe there's a 2nd group?

That's more like it. That first one didn't line up with what I saw on video.

Thank you. I'm in the Combine thread reading things like "Coleman's now a 3rd Rounder" and "Mitchell is now clearly WR4 or WR5". It's important. But it's not EVERYTHING.

Coleman is only slept on in this thread and on this board. He's almost always the 5th Ranked WR by media prognosticators. If you watch the Combine, NFL Network has him as the 4th - above Brian Thomas Jr.

A 3rd is still a little high for me as much as I love him. Not that he's not worth it. Just I don't believe we can afford to use a 3rd on a 2nd RB. If Beane were to do it, I wouldn't be upset with it. But I kind of hope he's available as a trade up from Round 4, as the highest price we'd pay if he were to last that long. I totally agree with you about everything here. I believe Thomas and Coleman will be the 4th and 5th guys off the board. Coleman is really slept on by posters on this board. He seems to be almost universally ranked higher than Franklin everywhere but here. I also personally have Legette as much higher than most. To me, outside of maybe Thomas - he's my favorite.

Everything after the first 3 is interchangeable depending on the source. Watching the Combine today, Bucky Brooks' and NFL Network's ranking had Keon Coleman at 4 and Brian Thomas Jr. at 5, for example.

Here's a number of top WR prospects talking about meeting with the Bills. Great to see so many say we've held interviews with them. Especially to see ALL of the WR's I have from WR4-WR9 Troy Franklin fans, you're gonna love this - Joe Brady recruited Troy Franklin: Also met with Xavier Legette, another of my favorites, and he sounds like he wants us to come get him: Keon Coleman is excited by the idea of learning under Stefon Diggs: Brian Thomas Jr. on meeting with us and seeing mocks to Buffalo: Xavier Worthy talks about what his meeting with the Bills was like: Roman Wilson - also a big Stefon Diggs fan: We've also reportedly met with Adonai Mitchell - though there's no video of him talking about the meeting:

We'll see tomorrow. If he were to run that fast though with his blend of size, muscle, power, and tackle breaking ability - he'd almost surely be too rich for our blood, unfortunately.

You think we're signing Evans?

Take a look. With your infatuation with Derrick Henry, I think you're going to like what you see. If we do go RB, it's going to be a 220+ guy with a bruising, in between the tackles style to compliment Cook. Allen is 245 lbs. of muscle and power. Unfortunately, I don't believe he'll be there when we consider RB. Especially if he has a good showing tomorrow. But prognostications on him go anywhere from Round 2 to Round 5 - so who knows? https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/baltimore-ravens-rb-braelon-allen-wisconsin-combine-draft-rumors-next-derrick-henry-free-agency