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And I'd still like to know what about him makes him "exude" the "culture" moreso than others....

Worthy won't be there in the early 2nd. Running the fastest time ever recorded at any position will skyrocket him. Whether or not you think it should. John Ross went from about the same position as Worthy was in Pre-Combine to 7th Overall. Even if that's a cautionary tale, it's not enough that teams will completely disregard it and he'll go below 32. He was looked at as a bottom of the 1st type guy before he broke the record. As I've said, Ian Rappaport said he talked to a "respected, high up league executive" who told him Worthy may have made himself the 4th WR off the board yesterday.

You're placing too little. In Round 1, good measurements and showing out as an athletic specimen are integral to what Beane considers in Round 1. He always goes for traits and tools that fit the role he's looking for in Round 1. Even if they're looked at as needing a little development.

You don't get that kind of frame with that kind of speed with his playmaking tape as a True Outside WR every day (which is what we're looking for). He ascended and earned some money with how he looked yesterday. Where we're picking is pretty much the sweet spot for him. Trade down and there's a good chance you miss him. Then you're looking at guys like Keon Coleman and Troy Franklin that measured out disappointingly yesterday.

No way. If 7 guys go, sure. But if even one of Thomas, Worthy, Mitchell, or Legette are there - you take them. There's a drop off after that in my eyes between what we're looking for and who we interviewed for the job.

I am opposed to a trade down. In my eyes, with their performances at the Combine, combined (no pun intended) with the descension of Franklin - I see a dropoff after WR7. And with the ascension of guys like Worthy, Mitchell, and Legette and the solidification of Thomas as probably out of reach - we'd be playing a dangerous game trying to get one later than 28. Especially with a team like Kansas City at least standing pat to take a WR, if not trading up.

Though I'd have no problem with it, I think if Hines isn't here - it's less likely. The difference between not having him on a release (3.2m saved) and keeping him on a restructure (2.2m saved) is just 1 million dollars. I feel like Beane would rather keep him as the Returner and as a guy who has a year of experience in the system and with Josh for just a million. Even if he's just the last WR on the 53. Though again, it doesn't matter to me either way.

It's sad that it's not a possibility. Flip side, i'd rather have a team in contention rather than picking at the top of the Draft all the time again.

If (and that's a big If) RB were to be considered in Round 3 - it shouldn't be for another speedy, elusive RB. It should be for Braelon Allen. A bruising, monster of a RB that gets the tough yardage and runs over people.

Agreed. At worst, I'm pretty sure WR7 will be on the board when we pick. I don't see any chance that 8 WR's will go before 28. That said, i'd hope we would try and move up a few picks if a 6th WR came off the board a number of picks before us. In my opinion, there's a bit of a drop off in terms of what we're looking for after WR7.

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test at ANY position. That's a big deal. On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others. Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

I don't see us picking any worse than 6th WR off the board. And my top 7 (including the first 3 that will be long gone) is: Marvin Harrison Jr. - Ohio State Malik Nabers - LSU Rome Odunze - Washington Brian Thomas Jr. - LSU Xavier Worthy - Texas Xavier Legette - South Carolina Adonai Mitchell - Texas Give me any of the bottom 4 guys and I'm happy.

I'll direct you to my reply to another poster 3 posts above yours. We never skip the Combine interview and Draft a guy in Round 1 simply on the pre-Draft meeting. The pre-Draft meeting is more of a formality and final piece of the puzzle after a good interview.

A bunch of really heavy guys ran 40 yards in a straight line and tried not to collapse.

Side note: not that it really matters for us because he's not a fit - but where was Malachi Corley? Even if you're dealing with an injury and won't be doing anything on field, you still are at the Combine to meet with teams. Odd that he wasn't there. Was he simply not invited?

This is a Taiwan Jones scenario. Everyone that wanted him gone is celebrating and doing the "I told you so's". Completely ignorning the fact that the release very clearly says he's most likely being brought back for Training Camp. Something that isn't said to the media in an outright "you're gone" release.

Not a futures deal, but definitely at league minimum.

Did you read the last line of the tweet? It says he will most likely be brought back for Training Camp. He was "released". But that's just to rip the current contract he has to shreds and bring him back on veteran minimum. Which is the best of both worlds. Frees up the max amount of money we can and still have him like he said we would.

I'm sure every player in the Draft, unless they have a medical or conduct red flag, is on their board. But when it comes to players they're specifically targeting in Round 1, they ALWAYS have the formal job interview, if you will, at the Combine. They do evaluation leading up to the Combine. They examine their tape and hypothesize who's a fit for them for what they're looking for in the position they're in and the scheme of the team. Then they set up interviews with those players. The interview process then helps them hone in on those from that list that really blow them away and those that don't. They raise the ones that did impress them (especially if they bring a notebook, whoo boy!) and drop the ones that didn't. They then bring the guys that passed both phases for them and see how they act in their building. They'll check to see how they've been operating since they last talked, maybe follow up on some things they didn't ask at the Combine, or things they hadn't thought about until after they met at the Combine. They'll check in on everyone from the Driver who picked them up at the airport to the lunch lady who fed them to see how they carried themselves when they weren't around. This is the process. Again, we've never taken a guy in Round 1 where we've skipped the Combine interview. This is probably the most important part of this regimes evaluation. It's always there and it's the interview and the visit, not one or the other. When it comes to McConkey, he wasn't a great fit for what we're looking for to begin with. Combine that with no interview and the fact that we're almost assuredly going to have a chance at someone who is ranked higher than he is (that we DID interview) and right now I just don't see a scenario where he's in play in Round 1.

What has you thinking McConkey "exudes" the culture more so than others? Regardless of that opinion, they didn't give him the opportunity to make McDermott "barred up" at the Combine.

Super exciting to me as I see an outside chance that we'd be able to move up to grab WR4, a likely chance we'd be able to land WR5, and an almost definitive chance that we can get WR6 - and every WR I have ranked as WR4-WR7 is on that list 😀

I'll worry about how a player may or may not work with the Chiefs after the Chiefs get him. But the non-stop "oh no what if the Chiefs get him" or "the Chiefs are going to get him and we're screwed if they do" with literally EVERY FA or Draft eligible WR available is a little much for me.

That's true. But that doesn't change the fact that we've never bypassed the formal job interview at the Combine and then Drafted the guy in Round 1. That's just a fact. The Combine interview is extremely important. And it's telling that we interviewed so many WR's and he's not one of them. Especially since I already believed he wasn't the fit for us that everyone wants him to be.

There's a major difference between meeting a non-QB at the Senior Bowl and meeting with them at the Combine. Meeting a player at the Senior Bowl is very informal and you can't really get much done. They don't want them to be too distracted from Practices and the Game and make sure they get enough rest. As interviews are done at the Combine. https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/senior-bowl-interview-process-changes-nfl-draft-teams-players So Ladd McConkey is so special that we're specifically not getting a feel for him with coaches and GM, breaking him down with film, bypassing the formal job interview, and "tipping our hand" with literally every other prospect who's a fit for us?

The Chiefs fatalistic obsession is out of hand. "The Chiefs are going to trade up for Worthy" "We can't let the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey" "Gabe Davis is going to sign with the Chiefs and be consistently good for them" "The Chiefs are definitely going to sign Mike Evans" They live rent free in so many posters minds these days.