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This isn't the 70's, 80's, or early 90's. You don't groom a QB for years anymore. You lose your QB? You trade for one or you Draft one and you play them. And it's almost unheard of these days to Draft a QB in Round 1 and not play them as a Rookie. That's a big part of the reason why picks like Michael Penix Jr. and Jordan Love were shocking when they were made. Nowadays, all it does is send a message to your QB and the fanbase that they aren't long for the team, whether they like it or not. All this to say, it's not something we should even be thinking about right now or anytime in the near future. Josh has been *knock on wood* relatively healthy. Elite QB's play for a long time these days. He should be a Bill for a lot longer than the amount of time he's already been here. When the time comes that he's ready to retire, then we'll Draft someone. But the thought of "tailoring a QB" under another Star QB is an antiquated idea.

He really wasn't on my radar at all at 60. I guess I was too focused on the top Safety available first and then prospects who our new DB coach had history coaching. My thought process was if they were going to take a Safety in Round 2, it would be Tyler Nubin in the outside chance he fell that far. If not, and more likely, it would be Javon Bullard. I thought Bullard would be there for sure and I was all in on him. When neither were there and they took Bishop, I was surprised. That's funny because to me, that was the most obvious pick. Going into the Draft, I had said time and again that the 1st pick was going to be a WR and then we were going to go Safety and Defensive Tackle in some combination over our next two picks. There was such a massive run on DT's by the time we got to 60, that DeWayne Carter was the top 3T on my board even when we were picking then. I remember thinking "this is a little high for Carter, but there's no way he's going to last until our next pick so we might have to take him here". When he was still on the board at the bottom of Round 3, it was a no brainer to me. I knew he'd be the choice. And honestly, compared to where he went compared to some of the guys who went between 33 and 60, it felt like very good value to me. I remember reading the tweet and thinking "the overall point of this is that he was able to overcome it and find success - but all anyone is going to focus on is the first part".

That head scratching move of taking a LB in Round 3 and making him a Backup on the Outside is looking pretty prophetic now. Here's hoping he learned a lot in Year 1 and blossoms like Terrel Bernard did in Year 2.

That ships sailed though. You can't just undo those moves.

We don't have 10m. We have 6.49 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/_/year/2024 And when you factor in the 3m or slightly more for the Practice Squad and at least a couple million for in season spending, we have very little to practically nothing on hand rn.

Yeah, with our Star LB down for the year and WR thin and underperforming outside of the top few guys - spending 8m (that we don't have) on an 8th new Safety contract for this offseason would have been a wise move...

Haha that's my bad. I read it as sarcasm.

What would you prefer? A Big Trade ISN'T happening. So the list of perimeter WR's of note available at this point are Corey Davis, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Michael Thomas, Randall Cobb, Marquise Goodwin, or Martavis Bryant. Given the age and injury history with some on the list, you could argue Davis *is* the best FA option. If he signs and it doesn't work, they don't make the roster and we stick with what we have. I don't understand outrage over the possibility of adding options. If you're upset that we didn't do more before this, that's fair, but that ship has sailed. It shouldn't mean we don't try what we can do now.

The right makeup and tools. Just didn't put it together. Many high picked QB's suffer the same fate. He was considered a safer bet than Mahomes, who was thought of as a product of Texas Tech's offense. And DeShaun Watson.... well, gotta imagine there were some character flags there.

Nicknames are given to players by other players or coaches. Or through something they say about themselves. You can't come up with a name as a fan and try and make it a thing. Especially on a niche message board.

I have a lot of respect for GB. But I don't think his being in Carolina has any weight on his addressing or not addressing the position. It boils down to a lack of finances to spend big on any one position and not feeling that anyone after the 33rd Pick in the Draft was someone he could count on in Year 1. It's as simple as that. There's obviously a massive disconnect between how he viewed the WR prospects from Pick 60 and beyond, how he views guys like Kincaid, Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, and others - and how you and other fans do. You may be right. He may be right. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

His prior moves in Carolina? As Assistant GM? Knocking Beane for Carolina's Picks while he was Assistant is like praising Joe Schoen for selecting Josh Allen...

Simple. Blue means exceptional team leader and character. Purple means character concerns. White means not a concern in those areas. So taking Nabers with a white designation over Odunze with a blue designation means they felt Nabers talent outweighed Odunze's to a level where Odunze being a better leader didn't matter.

If Simmons were ever in the plans, we wouldn't have Drafted Cole Bishop in the 2nd, Re-Signed Taylor Rapp, and Signed Mike Edwards. Whether it be money or not liking him as a fit, they chose to sign, re-sign, and Draft other people when they could have signed him. As I said earlier, it seems to me if Edwards and Bishop were serious injuries, they'd have done more than Jackson and Burgess. The plan is still to roll with some combination of Rapp, Edwards, and Bishop at Safety for this year. And the fact that *no one* has signed him says to me he's priced himself at an unreasonable rate.

Honestly, this is probably good news for the health of Cole Bishop and Mike Edwards. I feel as if either were in serious jeopardy of being put on IR - they'd have done more than Jackson and Burgess.

I mean, one can safely assume that this signing probably wouldn't have taken place if they thought he was coming back. But he still hasn't officially announced he's retired. If Simmons were something that was going to happen, we wouldn't have signed, re-signed, and Drafted all of Cole Bishop, Taylor Rapp, Mike Edwards, Cam Lewis, Kareem Jackson, and Dee Delaney. We only carry 4 Safeties. So as it is, we're going to have to cut 4 from the Safety room (also including Damar Hamlin and Kendall Williamson). I don't see us signing a SEVENTH Safety contract this offseason and cutting 5 from a field of 9. If Simmons were something that we were interested in doing, at least 1 of those many moves wouldn't have been done and Simmons would be here already. The only scenario where I see it being a small possibility is if both a.) Cole Bishop's injury is a long term one and they IR him and b.) Mike Edwards is going to miss all of Training Camp and the Pre-Season and they move on from him. But personally, I don't think that's a thing (namely derailing Bishop's development) we should hope for to get 1 year out of Justin Simmons.

Bc Montana and Young is very much the rule and not the exception, right? And we're also talking 30+ years ago here. There isn't even 32 good starters in the league. If you're a good QB on the Free Agent market, you're signing with a team that: a.) Is going to start you - not us b.) Is planning on Drafting a QB where you might be the bridge - not us c.) Has a bad veteran starter, where they might put you in at some point - not us d.) Has a young QB that hasn't looked amazing since being Drafted - not us e.) Has nothing solid at QB and you'll be given an opportunity to compete for the starting job with other mid-tier vets - not us f.) Has an aging QB on their last legs - not us g.) Has a QB who is often injured - not us h.) Has a QB coming off a major injury or is suspended to start the year - not us We are absolutely not a destination for QB's on the Free Agent market any way you slice it. We're always going to have to pick who we think is best from a less than desirable pool.

I love when people take a comment that was said weeks ago and already covered and post it like it's fresh news when the person repeats themselves.

I don't know how you can say that my take that *both* the people who claim almost definitively we're in great shape and will be good *and* the people who claim almost definitively we're in terrible shape and are doomed, before even a single snap of Training Camp has occured, are getting carried away - makes me a homer. I've said each side may be right or wrong. We won't know for sure until we see it. Let's just stop calling each other "idiots".

This thread has long gone off the rails. Look, I'm not saying it's unfair to question how he decided to address the room. Nor am I saying you should blindly support it with zero question as to it succeeding. But this is 60+ pages of largely just that. People wanting to get their receipts in that it surely will fail to claim supremacy that they were right. Or people wanting to get their receipts in to show that they never questioned his decisions to be able to claim supremacy that *they* were right. People on one side arguing with people on the other side, minds made up. Ultimately, the room is what it is. He built this room as best that he could in according to the vision that he had and the assets available to him, navigating the curveball thrown by Diggs. It may succeed. It may fail. We don't know. But arguing back and forth over "woulda, coulda, shoulda's" or blind support is moot. It doesn't change what the makeup of the room is and has no effect on whether it will succeed or fail. Whichever side you land on, you may be right or you may be wrong. But let's stop essentially calling each other idiots and let it play out before we proclaim it a success or a failure. None of us have a Crystal ball.

It says it's sold out. I'm surprised. How many are they letting in?

We wouldn't "see BB try" unless he landed him. I'd bet dollars to donuts he's talked to San Fran about Aiyuk and LV about Adams this offseason already.

And Davante Adams was on the sideline live on TV screaming he wanted out like a year ago. He can request all he wants. That doesn't mean he's going to be moved. The percentage of players who have requested to be traded vs. actually *are* traded isn't great. Not to say it won't happen. Just to say this doesn't change a whole lot in my mind. I think it's obvious he's wanted out for months now.

We've got 7.5m to our name and it's mid-July. Pretty much all of that is going to the Practice Squad and In Season Spending. It's possible there's a smaller level signing or two. But I wouldn't be expecting "top level talent" at this point.

If his options league wide max out at no guarantees in both making the roster or financially - sure. Bring him in and have a look in the Offseason. But I have to imagine he'll be guaranteed more than that from someone.