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There's a number of teams in the league that have a starting QB problem. Most teams in the league have an underwhelming Backup QB. That's why they're Backup QB's in a league that doesn't have 32 good starters. @FireChans put it best:

You aren't going to have Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid split out alone. You can do that in 4 WR sets, but I don't think you'll see it alone. If you do, it won't be a regular thing. Samuel is a Tweener that you can split Out on the perimeter half the time. Shakir and Kincaid are pure slots from the WR position. So you're pretty much always going to have at least one of Coleman and Hollins on the Outside. As to whom has the upper leg as the first Outside guy between the two, I assume it's Coleman. But it may be a 50/50 split to start the year. In standard two WR's on the Outside sets, it'll be One of Coleman and Hollins with Samuel on the other side half the time. The other half it'll be Coleman and Hollins with Samuel on the Inside or out of the Backfield. Nothing about his prior usage or what Beane has said about Samuel suggests he'll be used on the Outside more than 50% of the time. And that's the problem with our current room. Our top 3 known commodities are all best served working out of the Slot. But you can't have more than 2 people working out of the slot at once and even putting 2 on requires 4 WR sets, which you aren't going to regularly run.

Damn. Figured we took a look with Claypool going down and things looking underwhelming outside of the top few guys. Now with MVS taking what looked like at least a bad concussion, I figured we'd re-visit this.

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Again, they paid him approximately 3m guaranteed on a 2 year contract. They aren't giving him even a fraction of the playbook to play with. They know what he is and what he isn't. Did you see Kyle Allen last year? Mitch isn't getting cut. They aren't going to go with a guy who may or may not be slightly better who has to learn the playbook on the fly.

They're starting Andreesen for all 4 quarters at MLB. They really like this kid.

Maybe in the court of fan public opinion. But like poor Pre-Season play from Kyle Allen and Case Keenum before him, the play of a Practice Squad QB (especially one joining the team this late) in the 2nd half of Pre-Season games means nothing. Trubisky has years of experience and was signed to a 2 year, 5.25m dollar contract with about 3m guaranteed. He's not going to be cut for Ben DiNucci.

MVS down. Call back Corey Davis.

The Line is blocking terribly and they aren't opening up the playbook at all. I'm not saying he's great. But the Backups always look like hot garbage in the Pre-Season league wide. Most everyone in the league has a "Backup QB Problem". Hell, a fair amount have a "Starting QB Problem". As I've said a number of times, good QB's don't make it to Free Agency. And the halfway decent backup QB's are going to go to teams that: a.) Are Drafting a QB that may sit a little while where they can be a bridge. b.) Have nothing at QB and can't Draft one and they'll get a shot in a competition. c.) Have someone they've Drafted recently that hasn't really impressed yet. d.) Have a vet who really hasn't looked good lately (like a Daniel Jones) e.) Have a QB who is injured (like Watson) or coming off injury. f.) Have a QB that is often injured. None of these apply. So we'll never be a landing spot for QB's on the market. It just is what it is.

The return game being what it is now, practically no one's done anything impressive league wide the past couple weeks. It seems they're doing all they can to all but eliminate it from the game. I'm not looking to put someone on the roster as a Return guy first and foremost. Do you have a role on Offense or Defense as a non starter? Can we put you back there? The jobs yours.

Definitely seems so. I was just saying it was shocking to me that he was the guy they started as next man up with Bernard sitting. And he is looking good out there. Wild that a Rookie Minicamp Tryout guy looks like he's going straight to the 53.

Joe Andreesen taking all the starting reps at MLB is eye opening. I didn't realize he was impressing that much to be the first guy up with Bernard sitting.

Two. Brett Favre was traded for from Atlanta in the early 90's. And he started pretty early in that 1st year with Green Bay. In the sense that they got lucky and hit on both Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love, it's an ideal situation. But nothing about the Drafting of either of them and the situation leading to them starting should be looked at as an ideal situation for us. Brett was pissed when Aaron was Drafted. He did nothing to "tailor" him as the OP stated he wants and allegedly treated him pretty poorly. It led to a pretty famous contentious exit for Favre that had him retiring, unretiring, and then being traded - claiming they forced him into it. Ending up playing for their Division rival to end their career. Aaron was equally, if not more pissed by the Drafting of Jordan. Begging for help, they Drafted his successor. He treated Jordan the same way Brett did him, doing nothing to help him. Again, leading to his being traded away before wanting to retire. This is definitely not what I or most fans would want or should want for the end of Josh's tenure here and is more of an example of why you don't do it that way then it is that you should.

This isn't the 70's, 80's, or early 90's. You don't groom a QB for years anymore. You lose your QB? You trade for one or you Draft one and you play them. And it's almost unheard of these days to Draft a QB in Round 1 and not play them as a Rookie. That's a big part of the reason why picks like Michael Penix Jr. and Jordan Love were shocking when they were made. Nowadays, all it does is send a message to your QB and the fanbase that they aren't long for the team, whether they like it or not. All this to say, it's not something we should even be thinking about right now or anytime in the near future. Josh has been *knock on wood* relatively healthy. Elite QB's play for a long time these days. He should be a Bill for a lot longer than the amount of time he's already been here. When the time comes that he's ready to retire, then we'll Draft someone. But the thought of "tailoring a QB" under another Star QB is an antiquated idea.

He really wasn't on my radar at all at 60. I guess I was too focused on the top Safety available first and then prospects who our new DB coach had history coaching. My thought process was if they were going to take a Safety in Round 2, it would be Tyler Nubin in the outside chance he fell that far. If not, and more likely, it would be Javon Bullard. I thought Bullard would be there for sure and I was all in on him. When neither were there and they took Bishop, I was surprised. That's funny because to me, that was the most obvious pick. Going into the Draft, I had said time and again that the 1st pick was going to be a WR and then we were going to go Safety and Defensive Tackle in some combination over our next two picks. There was such a massive run on DT's by the time we got to 60, that DeWayne Carter was the top 3T on my board even when we were picking then. I remember thinking "this is a little high for Carter, but there's no way he's going to last until our next pick so we might have to take him here". When he was still on the board at the bottom of Round 3, it was a no brainer to me. I knew he'd be the choice. And honestly, compared to where he went compared to some of the guys who went between 33 and 60, it felt like very good value to me. I remember reading the tweet and thinking "the overall point of this is that he was able to overcome it and find success - but all anyone is going to focus on is the first part".

That head scratching move of taking a LB in Round 3 and making him a Backup on the Outside is looking pretty prophetic now. Here's hoping he learned a lot in Year 1 and blossoms like Terrel Bernard did in Year 2.

That ships sailed though. You can't just undo those moves.

We don't have 10m. We have 6.49 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/_/year/2024 And when you factor in the 3m or slightly more for the Practice Squad and at least a couple million for in season spending, we have very little to practically nothing on hand rn.

Yeah, with our Star LB down for the year and WR thin and underperforming outside of the top few guys - spending 8m (that we don't have) on an 8th new Safety contract for this offseason would have been a wise move...

Haha that's my bad. I read it as sarcasm.

What would you prefer? A Big Trade ISN'T happening. So the list of perimeter WR's of note available at this point are Corey Davis, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Michael Thomas, Randall Cobb, Marquise Goodwin, or Martavis Bryant. Given the age and injury history with some on the list, you could argue Davis *is* the best FA option. If he signs and it doesn't work, they don't make the roster and we stick with what we have. I don't understand outrage over the possibility of adding options. If you're upset that we didn't do more before this, that's fair, but that ship has sailed. It shouldn't mean we don't try what we can do now.

The right makeup and tools. Just didn't put it together. Many high picked QB's suffer the same fate. He was considered a safer bet than Mahomes, who was thought of as a product of Texas Tech's offense. And DeShaun Watson.... well, gotta imagine there were some character flags there.

Nicknames are given to players by other players or coaches. Or through something they say about themselves. You can't come up with a name as a fan and try and make it a thing. Especially on a niche message board.

I have a lot of respect for GB. But I don't think his being in Carolina has any weight on his addressing or not addressing the position. It boils down to a lack of finances to spend big on any one position and not feeling that anyone after the 33rd Pick in the Draft was someone he could count on in Year 1. It's as simple as that. There's obviously a massive disconnect between how he viewed the WR prospects from Pick 60 and beyond, how he views guys like Kincaid, Coleman, Samuel, Shakir, and others - and how you and other fans do. You may be right. He may be right. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

His prior moves in Carolina? As Assistant GM? Knocking Beane for Carolina's Picks while he was Assistant is like praising Joe Schoen for selecting Josh Allen...