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That's... insane. Like I can't wrap my head around that. They must have a trade for Carter done then. Or a shock Daquan Jones cut bc they're so impressed with Walker's Camp and Pre-Season. Ogunjobi being a cut or not really affects nothing bc he's exempt and if this is true, would be carrying 6 DT's on the initial 53 if they didn't make a move. And I don't see that.

I don't think it means anything right now. I would be shocked if he was on the 53. The "later this week" and just common sense says this is just a matter of an agent leaving out the Practice Squad part of the signing.

You keep referencing these different numbers but I can't find that anywhere. I see nothing about salary voided due to Suspension. And we signed him after he was suspended. His initial contract was 10m with 8m guaranteed. It then dropped to 6.6m with 5.4m guaranteed. Maybe that's where you think things fell off the contract? Just look at the Contract Details on Spotrac and OverTheCap. There is nothing about any sort of voids changing the 5.4 "fully guaranteed at signing". https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/21807/larry-ogunjobi/contract/graph https://overthecap.com/player/larry-ogunjobi/5651

Hmm... maybe that DeWayne Carter trade talk came to fruition. Or maybe, perhaps likely, he'll be on the Practice Squad and the agent left that part out. I mean, that would be as puzzling as the Phillips signing. They had the chance to walk away from his contract when they found out about the suspension. Or at least heavily lower his guarantees. Instead they guaranteed 5.4m of his 6.6m contract. To then cut him is just insane.

Oof. That's kind of the opposite of the optimism Beane's verbage brought. Hopefully it's just precautionary.

Elijah Moore was pulled at the exact same time - does that make him safe too?

Moore kind of had to play in the game with us sitting Palmer and Coleman, Shakir still dinged up, and Samuel ill. I've seen people point to the fact that Shavers was pulled after the 2nd Quarter as an indication he'll stick - while ignoring the fact that Moore left at the exact same time:

Honestly, with the way things are shaping out and with so many injuries in the Secondary - that honestly seems like the only way he does. That or another team taking most of Samuel's contract off our hands in a Trade, but I don't see that happening.

Samuel is healthy now. You can't just PUP or IR healthy players...

Shenault is toast. His only chance was as a Return man and Codrington definitively beat him. He consistently Started over him. Also, with all the injuries at CB - the idea that they'd keep 6 this year instead of the 5 they've kept at WR the past couple seasons seems highly unlikely.

Yeah, I thought that was a little odd too. I knew Mitch had won the gig and was unlikely to play. But I expected to see White play at least some before Buechele came in. My only guess is that they didn't really want to showcase White, as they want to have him as their Practice Squad QB?

Not great:

Did he really? Wow. I must have been looking at other players then. When I looked for him, he was at Nickel.

Idk why people keep bringing up Hardy. He's a Nickel CB. Not a Boundary guy. His name has been brought up by posters and in tweets so often that I found myself thinking "has he been playing on the Outside and I just haven't noticed?", looked for him today, and no - he just plays the Nickel. As for the initial point, Jackson started today and made some good plays. Like Hamlin with some posters, you can wish and hope for literally anyone else - it doesn't matter. McDermott has faith in him and he'll be on the initial 53. If White isn't ready Week 1, he'll likely get the call opposite Benford.

I would believe it when I see it that the Bills would prefer a cutdown CB from another team over their in house guys. Like I said, McDermott values familiarity in his complicated Secondary scheme way more than he does an upgrade in talent. And I don't think there's going to be any Superstars cut from other teams at CB.

It's an idea. But with the changes and added importance to the Return game this year and how much they used Codrington as the Core Returner all Pre-Season, I'd be surprised to see them just say "eh, just stick Ty Johnson back there for now". But maybe. O.J. Howard is the one example everyone goes back to over 3 years ago now. He's the exception, not the rule. More importantly, it's one thing to throw away 3.1m as they did with Howard. It's another to throw away 8.6m in cutting Samuel, which equates to almost THREE O.J. Howard's. That's why I said Elijah Moore and his 2.5m in guarantees is a cut possibility. Samuel is trade or he's here. No way they cut someone with THAT much guaranteed money and Dead Cap.

I mentioned this in my 53 prediction, but I think the issue with Shavers is multi faceted: 1.) I think he was a 52nd or 53rd guy on the roster. I had him making it, until the injuries at CB. I think that kind of screwed things for him. Even moving Max to IR to Return, you need to carry an extra guy. As Tre may or may not be ready Week 1, but I don't think you shut him down for 4 weeks too. Which means you have to carry all of Strong, Jackson, and Ingram to go alongside Benford, plus White on the 53. 2.) With needing extra spots for the CB room (plus KR), the keeping 6 true WR's idea is out. Which to me means the only way he makes it is if: a.) Someone trades for Curtis Samuel. They aren't going to cut him, as that generates over 8.6m in Dead Cap and saves us nothing. A trade would save us 7.34m on the Cap (and generates 1.72 in Dead Cap). The problem there is finding someone to take on that money, which is unlikely. But I think they'd do it if they could. b.) They keep Shavers and cut Moore. Moore saves us nothing in cutting him and generates 2.5m in Dead Cap. I think this is his most likely way of making the roster. But do they give up on his speed and the guaranteed money they gave him? I'm 50/50 on it.

I don't look at as ego or hubris. Douglas is toast. Not only is he toast, he's been on a couch all off-season. I think they feel more comfortable with Dane Jackson, Dorian Strong, and Ja'Marcus Ingram alongside Benford than they would him. And outside of Douglas, this regime doesn't trust someone to come off the couch and get the Defense down in time. This isn't a plug and play system or staff. It's always been scheme familiarity over pure talent. So Douglas is the only realistic option I see in their eyes and I think they feel better off with the depth we have on hand - until Max and/or Tre are back. Which won't be that long.

He's not going to be cut. I think it's more likely he's Starting Week 1 than not being on the initial 53. With Hairston likely to go to IR to Return and White possibly missing the 1st week or more, they aren't going to roll with just Benford, Strong, and Ingram as their only Boundary CB's.

Oh you've gotta be kidding me! Dane Jackson is down now?

I'm pretty sure Thompson is safe. We're going to keep at least 5. Olofoshio is obviously out now. And while Ciarlo is a darling, I don't see him being 5 over Thompson.

I don't think they believe Tre is long term. May be even able to go Week 1. And they're still deciding whether or not Hairston will be back in 4 games or less. I disagree with you that he's not finished. He was *atrocious* last season and his being on the street still speaks volumes. I don't think Douglas, especially not being in a Camp all off-season is any sort of major upgrade over the guys that are in the building. I believe they have more faith in Dane Jackson than they do an off the couch Douglas, at this point. Even if Tre misses a game or two, I think they believe they can get by with Dane Jackson, Dorian Strong, and Ja'Marcus Ingram as the depth opposite Benford for a short spell. It won't be long until we have both Hairston and Tre.