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I honestly thought Gibson was going to make it. He seemed like a good reserve. It's a shame. Martin Nance was never really given a fair shake. Which really stinks because he looked real good a few times in camp. I figured he'd make the squad and I hope he still does. Everyone else is no big surprise.

Dude, I rarely say this to people....... but you're on crack! Jason Peters was in my eyes, the best (and most consistent) lineman we had last year. The man is freakishly athletic. I think you're focusing way too hard on the fact that he's a converted TE. So what?! He was a 300 lb. TE with an emphasis on blocking. Antonio Gates was a basketball player who never played a down of college football. Would you have a problem with Antonio Gates because he's a converted basketball player too? As for your thought that Jauron brought in Gibson to beat out Peters, you couldn't be more wrong. From Day 1 of camp, they were lining him up at Guard. Last season the Bills tried to lock-up Peters long-term but he wouldn't do it because he knew if he waited he'd get a big time deal. He signed a long-term deal this year for an undisclosed amount. But he did sign which means 1.) It was the money he was looking for and 2.) the Bills want him long-term. If you watched the preseason game against the Panthers a couple weeks ago; Peters was dominating Peppers. Being upset at a lineman because they had a bad game against Julius Peppers is like calling Richmond Webb a bad lineman because he had trouble with Bruce Smith. I dare you to make a post stating that Jason Peters is nothing special. I'd be surprised if you had anyone on your side. Now as for Aaron Gibson, the guy was brought in for dirt-cheap on the low for some depth. In camp he proved that he is very valuable as a backup and was downright dominant. I think from Day 1 they had their line set as Gandy/Reyes/Fowler/Villarial/Peters and they were looking at Gibson as a reserve. I think he's earned the spot and I doubt that he'll be cut.

Hind-sight is always 20/20. But the Kelly Holcomb we got wasn't the same Kelly Holcomb from Cleveland. We thought we were getting a guy who was a starting QB. A guy that posted 26 of 43 for 429 yards (?!) and 3 TD's in a wild-card game vs. the Steelers in 2002. A gun-slinger. What we got was some sort of freakish, broken down backup who can't throw a ball over 10 yards.

He wasn't. I was actually going to make a post about how well he looked. He threw a pick, but it was tipped from the recievers hand and bounced into London Fletcher's. Not to mention, pick's (unless there's a lot of them) in camp aren't that big of a deal. Most camp situations are no comparisons to the real deal. He threw some real beauties tonight and compared to the others..... well; there was no comparison.

You and I must have been at different practices altogether tonight. While Losman wasn't perfect, he DEFINITELY looked good a lot more than he looked bad. A lot of his throws were beautiful in my eyes. He looked worlds ahead of Holcomb and Nall also.

Courtney Watson pressuring the QB. ....... maybe Tim Euhus WAS good for something

Ouch! Well..... let's see how well he bounces back from that now.

That drive really showed me something. He didn't get down on himself or get nervous after the pick. He just picked himself up, went to his go to guy, and got it back. That might have just "nailed it home" right there.

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We always carry at least 2 FB's. Last year we had Daimon Shelton and Joe Burns, not to mention Jon Goldsberry whom we had on the Practice Squad and activated (I believe).

While we're at it, here's my guess at the final active roster VERY EARLY into training camp: QB: J.P. Losman Craig Nall Kelly Holcomb RB: Willis McGahee Anthony Thomas Lionel Gates - Alan Ricard Daimon Shelton WR: Lee Evans Peerless Price Roscoe Parrish Josh Reed Martin Nance Sam Aiken TE: Robert Royal Kevin Everett Brad Cielsak OL: Mike Gandy Tutan Reyes Melvin Fowler Chris Villarial Jason Peters - Aaron Gibson (OG) Duke Preston (C/OG) Greg Jerman (OT) Brad Butler (OT) DE: Aaron Schobel Chris Kelsay Ryan Denney Mark Word DT: Larry Tripplett John McCargo Tim Anderson Kyle Williams LB: Takeo Spikes London Fletcher Angelo Crowell Courtney Watson Mario Haggan Josh Stamer CB: Nate Clements Terrence McGee Ashton Youboty Jabari Greer Eric King S: Donte Whitner Troy Vincent Ko Simpson Matt Bowen Rashad Baker ST: Mike Schneck Brian Moorman Rian Lindell

Is he eligible for the Practice Squad? He's not making the team otherwise. They're not even giving him a chance for more reps now with Nall down.

I've got a problem with quite a few of your cuts: QB: No point in putting Ochs on the squad. He's injured last I checked and what has he shown to deserve it? We have Losman, Holcomb, and Nall, we're plenty deep. If 2 of them go down (god forbid), we'd jump on the waiver wire for a back-up. RB: I don't think Lionel will go to the Practice Squad. Even if he does, you think the Bills will keep McGahee, A-Train, Shaud Williams, Lionel Gates AND Joe Burns on the roster? Don't you think that's a little overkill? Joe Burns and Shaud Williams will get cut. Willis/A-Train/Lionel will be the RB's on our roster. WR: I think we'll keep 6 WR's: Lee Evans, Peerless Price, Roscoe Parrish, Josh Reed, Sam Aiken (ST Captain), and Martin Nance. Andre' Davis however, will not make the squad. There's no point in keeping him around to be at best our 5th WR. LB: How many PS spots do you think we have?! There's regulations on who can be on it also and I highly doubt that Courtney Watson or Mario Haggan are eligible. However, I agree Ellison will go on the squad. The LB core on the active roster will be: Takeo Spikes, London Fletcher, Angelo Crowell, Courtney Watson, Mario Haggan, and Josh Stamer. Bye bye Jeff Posey. Safety: I think we'll keep 5 Safeties this year (just like we did last year). It'll be just like you said with Donte Whitner, Troy Vincent, Ko Simpson, and Matt Bowen. But I think Rashad Baker stays.

Hard to imagine Willis and Kelly Holcomb exchanging "Baby Momma Drama" stories

The signings have been going VERY quick this year. Usually, it's not all that uncommon for half of the 1st Round to not be signed by now. If he isn't signed by the 1st preseason game, then i'll start worrying. But right now, just chill.

Because generally if a Top-10 pick isn't signed by the end of the first week of Training Camp, you deactivate him

I haven't been able to make it out to camp yet. But there's a big question mark at Left Guard. We signed Tutan Reyes to replace Bennie Anderson and they've been talking about Duke Preston at G (although I think they should just keep him training at C and let him compete with Melvin Fowler). But I just read recently that they're trying Aaron Gibson out at Guard. I was wondering if anyone who went to camp has kept an eye on him? He was a former 1st Round OT who had some success starting at RT for Dick Jauron. He's a sleeper that i'd keep my eye on vs. Tutan Reyes.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com They just updated their site for next year's draft and looky, looky who they have us taking...... I say since everyone's in agreement; just give him to us now

Training camp should be fun with: J.P. Losman Kelly Holcomb Craig Nall Kliff Kingsbury Tory Woodbury Craig Ochs Ryan Dinwiddie Whatever happened to the good ole' days of 3 QB's and 1 more to have an extra arm in camp?

I'm not convinced he'll fail. ..... i'm just worried he won't be given a fair shot.

I'm only going to list the "worthwhile" players in my mind, not the one's that get added at the end of the year that no one even see's at camp: QB: J.P. Losman Craig Nall Kelly Holcomb Tory Woodbury RB: Willis McGahee Anthony Thomas Shaud Williams Lionel Gates - Daimon Shelton Joe Burns Jon Goldsberry WR: Lee Evans Peerless Price Roscoe Parrish Josh Reed Andre' Davis Martin Nance Sam Aiken Jonathan Smith George Wilson TE: Kevin Everett Robert Royal Tim Euhus Ryan Neufeld OL: Mike Gandy Tutan Reyes Melvin Fowler Chris Villarial Jason Peters - Aaron Gibson Raymond Preston Bennie Anderson Greg Jerman Brad Butler Terrance Pennington Aaron Merz Justin Geisinger Dylan McFarland DE: Aaron Schobel Chris Kelsay Ryan Denney Ryan Neil DT: Larry Tripplett John McCargo Kyle Williams Tim Anderson Lauvale Sape Jason Jefferson LB: Takeo Spikes London Fletcher Angelo Crowell Jeff Posey Mario Haggan Josh Stamer Liam Ezekiel Keith Ellison CB: Nate Clements Terrence McGee Ashton Youboty Eric King Jabari Greer Kevin Thomas S: Donte Whitner Ko Simpson Troy Vincent Matt Bowen Rashad Baker Coy Wire Jim Leonhard ST: Rian Lindell Brian Moorman Mike Schneck -First off, i'm going to make a bold prediction and say that Kelly Holcomb is cut during training camp in favor of a UDFA, another FA, or Woodbury. -I think Lionel Gates is cut by the new regime after last year's 7th rounder can't beat out Shaud Williams or contribute on ST. -Andre' Davis, George Wilson, and Jonathan Smith are the 3 WR's who get the axe. Ryan Neufeld also gets cut. -The new regime parts ways with TD's late Day-2 OL from years past: Justin Geisnger, Dylan McFarland, as well as TD's OG project: Bennie Anderson -LB's Liam Ezekiel and (FINALLY) Jeff Posey are let go. -S Coy Wire and Rashad Baker are let go in favor of Whitner and Simpson. Vincent is given a mulligan and is kept on for situational plays and DB tutilege.

Donte Whitner Troy Vincent Ko Simpson Matt Bowen Rashad Baker Coy Wire Jim Leonhard ...... yeah, I like this kid's chances.

As a WR, no he doesn't. But he's the CAPTAIN of the Special Teams and a damn good one at that. Everytime I turned around he was making a nice tackle or downing balls on the one. You don't cut Sam Aiken. Davis was signed to a 1-year deal for basically nothing. If we cut him, we lose basically nothing. Andre' Davis = James Jett

That's awesome! He's pretty much considered by everyone to be the best UDFA out there. I still don't understand why he went from being a top 10 ranked WR on most sites to UDFA. Unfortunately for him, he'll REALLY have to be something special to make this squad and contribute: Lee Evans Peerless Price Josh Reed Roscoe Parrish Andre' Davis Martin Nance Sam Aiken Jonathan Smith George Wilson

No, he hasn't and he probably won't.