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#25? hmmm..... Definitely not for a #1 next year! We'd be in the same boat we're in now and next year's crop will most likely be better. If Denver wants themselves a RB (which I don't think they do) and a #55, then it'd be good. But I think they'd draft Matt Jones before Jamal Brown. There's OT's still on the market who would be better than him and cheaper.

http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com East Coast (the place that brought us our Nate Clements info first) projects us trading Travis Henry and our 2nd to Phili for their #35. Thus selecting Matt Jones. They are also reporting that San Fran has agreed to draft Alex smith #1! "04/17...The latest news around the league starts in Buffalo where the Travis Henry sweepstakes appears to be heating up...the Arizona Cardinals were one of the first teams to express their interest in Henry... but within the last week the Tampa Bay Bucs and Philadelphia Eagles have both contacted the Bills about the possibility of trading for Henry...these teams realize that although this Draft appears to be full of Halfbacks that will be available in rounds three through five...they also know that there is a HUGE dropoff after the top three backs...the Eagles own two picks in the top 35 of this Draft (picks #31 and #35) could be "dangling " one of those picks to acquire Henry from the Bills in a trade down with the team...the Bills first pick in the Draft is at #55 and a package deal of that pick and Travis Henry could be headed to Philly for one of the Eagles first two picks...this is nothing more than speculation at this time...but stay tuned come Draft Day... Bills Gm Tom Donahoe stated this week at the Bills Pre-Draft Luncheon that several NFL teams have contacted him about trading their first pick in the Draft and getting out of the first round...the general feeling around the league is there are about 15 Top Prospects in this Draft but the next 15 to 20 prospects all carry a similar grade...some teams that are drafting in that area feel they would rather move down into the second round of the Draft and not have to pay first round money to a prospect...they would then acquire an extra third or fourth round pick for trading down where there will be several solid prospects still on the board in round three through four......just a reminder...Al will be tweaking his two round Mock several times between now and the Draft...before posting his Final Mock next Friday. "

I'll admit, i'd be pretty peeved. I at least expect a Travis trade to go down. I'd like to see us try and get in the top 10 to get a guy like Mike Williams. But I think a Travis trade is going to go down and we're going to package things to get high enough to pick Matt Jones.

EVERYTHING is posturing. I don't trust a word that comes out of TD's or any GM's mouth before the draft.

Uncapped year? That's a joke right? As for the "tag and trade", Charles Woodson provided the antidote for that situation when he signed the franchise tender forcing Oakland to pay. I think you won't see that move going down anymore. Plus, tagging Nate won't get us anywhere near a 9th. Teams will know that we have to trade him and that puts the cards in their hands. No one in this draft worth trading for? I disagree. We don't need a QB and we don't need a RB. The OL is weak in this draft. But this year is rich in CB's and WR's. We need a guy like Mike Williams, Braylon Edwards, or Matt Jones. We have Eric Moulds who is getting old and starting to show it. Lee Evans is amazing, but Josh Reed is worthless. TD says we need help on offense. Any of those three guys are worth it (of course Jones will go MUCH later than 9). Alex Barron at OT and Heath Miller at TE would be worth trading for as well. From 9, you could trade down and pick up a couple picks to get one (if not both) of those guys.

NO! 9 is too high to pick Barron. He's the best tackle in the draft, but it's a weak draft for tackle. I've said it once and i'll say it a million times, if we get that high than we need to make a run at Mike Williams. As for Matt Jones, he's not going to be there in the 2nd round. Phili or Pittsburgh will take him in the late 1st. I'm all for the Nate trade, but if we're at 9 and we can't get Mike Williams; then I say trade down for some more picks. Then and ONLY then should we draft Alex Barron with our first pick.

Oh yeah? Who's your source? And you're positive we can afford to pay top 5 or 10 CB money? Even if we could do you think TD would pay it? Doubtful at best.

It depends. I think if they could trade up a few spots for a small price (like Henry to someone with the 9) than i'd go with Mike Williams. He'd be just TOO good for TD to pass up. Ditto if he fell to #9. Otherwise, i'd just see him trade down or maybe pick Alex Barron. But 9 might be a tad high for him.

Put it to bed? Are you crazy?! It had enough clout to be involved in a news story. It has enough validity to be commented on by Redskins officials. "The rooster can walk baby!" - Bruce Dickinson

"I likey the smoke and mirrors" - Tom Donahoe

Yeah, I think you said it there yourself. I don't see Alex Smith being taken in the 1st. He's most likely available at 44. So if they trade into the 1st, I don't think it would be Alex Smith. Now if Heath Miller fell, then that's a whole 'nother story!

I'd prefer one that involved trading Henry, our 2nd, next year's 1st, and something else for their 5th pick in the 1st. ....... not going to happen, I know. But i'd kill to have Mike Williams on this team.

Are you still sticking by taking Castillo with our 2nd? That was a little high for him as it was and yesterday he admitted to being a steroid abuser. Which drops him to a 2nd day selection, if at all.

After signing Bennie Anderson and Mike Gandy, if a trade goes through for Shelton; i'd pretty much guarantee he's going to draft a WR or a TE. I know, it doesn't make much sense to draft another wideout. But a good portion of his draft moves over the years haven't. With the way our recievers (mainly Moulds) couldn't get open and at times couldn't catch, I think he'll shock us with one. He said it himself, "We're not good enough on offense". J.P. will need another weapon. I'd be quite disapointed and quite floored if TD stayed put at 55. I think he'll at least go into the bottom 5 picks of the 1st. If that happens, I think it will be Matt Jones or Heath Miller if he happens to fall as TE's sometimes do. I made my claim that i'd like to see a Nate trade go down to get into the top 6 picks for Mike Williams. But the odds of that are VERY slim. I don't think he'll draft a linemen (I know; Brown visited). I think it's going to be Jones.

That's a good point and i'm all for the "drafting the best available player" thing. But not after drafting J.P. Losman in the 1st round last year. Not after we named him the starter and he hasn't even played yet to evaluate. Not after signing Kelly Holcomb. I don't think it's fair to compare situations. Now if that QB also is a WR or a TE named Matt Jones, i'm all for it

I am all for Nate Clements being a Buffalo Bills for his entire career (or at least past this year). Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. Even if TD comes in to "Pay the man", it won't matter. TD may come up with a HUGE deal for Nate. But another team will overpay for him. Look at what happened with Antoine Winfield and Jonas Jennings. TD likes to resign players before the year before they hit the market. That's what he did with Aaron Schobel and that's what he TRIED to do with Jonas and Pat. When they don't bite, TD let's them hit the market and go. I believe Nate to be the type of player (and rightfully so) that will want to test the market. If that happens, he's gone. I think we should trade him while we have the chance to get something in return.

Amen to that! While TD may come up with a HUGE contract fair to his value, another team will be more than happy to come up with something millions beyond that. TD will not overpay like all these other teams will. That's why Nate won't be here next year.

2002 - With the 4th pick in the 2nd round (pretty much a first), TD drafts WR Josh Reed. At the time we didn't really need a WR and it floored a lot of people. On the night of the draft, TD makes a trade with New England for (then) superstar QB Drew Bledsoe! 2003 - With the 23rd pick in the First Round, TD drafts RB Willis McGahee. We had Travis Henry who was coming off a Pro-Bowl season. 2004 - After selecting WR Lee Evans with the 13th pick overall, TD trades back into the first round and selects QB J.P. Losman. What will TD surprise us with this year?

L.J. Shelton (Most likely) Mike Williams Bennie Anderson Trey Teague Chris Villarial Justin Bannan Ross Tucker Lawrence Smith Ben Sobieski Dylan McFarland Jason Peters Mike Gandy How many O-Lineman do we need?!

Exactly what i'm trying to say. If we're going to deal him, we'd have to do it now. Charles Woodson nipped the "Peerless Situation" in the bud when he signed the franchise sheet. Once teams realize we have to move a player, their value goes down. While everyone here is saying that TD will pay for what he's worth, everyone is failing to recognize that there will be a LOT of teams who will pay millions MORE than what he's worth. Everyone admits that what Minnesota paid AW and what San Fran paid for JJ was too much. Someone is going to be more than willing to do the same with Nate. If I were TD, i'd be talking to Nate about resigning. If he said he wants to test the market or is asking for unfair amounts, i'd move him while I could.

Again, I disagree. Losing Nate Clements is painful to our team. But not if you replace him with a veteran like Ty Law or Andre Dyson. You combine that with a draft pick in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th and a healthy Troy Vincent at FS and I think we're in the same situation we were last year; if not better. Our offense needs help. I feel that if we need to sacrifice a little defense to get it, then that's what needs to be done. J.P. is playing offense and he'll need offense to succeed. Mike Williams will NOT need 2-3 years to make significant contributions. That I can guarantee!

Antrelle Rolle or Pacman Jones? I think I could live with that. But as for your comment, i'd have disagree. We need help on offense. Our line is almost set. Moulds and Evans are good. But we need one more X-Factor to compliment J.P. and Willis because what we have just isn't cutting it.

Thank you for keeping an open mind and not responding with "ugh! trading nate = bad. keeping nate = good. you is stupid" Anyways, I don't expect it. But if there is a likelihood that trading him would get us Mike Williams, I think it should be done.

Eric Moulds is the only major re-sign of TD's regime. I feel the only reason he did do that was because if he didn't, there would be a lynch mob after him. At that point in time, Moulds was one of the top 5 WR's in the league. Everyone knew who Eric Moulds was in the Buffalo area, even if you weren't a football fan. He was (and still is) a Bill the likes of Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith, and Andre Reed. Yes, TD spends big money and the post you replied to commented on that. But for one reason or another, he doesn't like to re-sign people. He would rather replace them with substitutes, especially if money is an issue.

hmmmm..... I'm not so sure that works that well anymore. I think Woodson put a stop to that when he signed that Franchise sheet. It showed Franchise players that signing the sheet screws your team into A.) Having to pay top dollar and B.) Screws them capwise to the point that they MUST trade the player and that takes their trade value down.