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If that's honestly what you'd do, we're ALL fortunate you're not Beane.

Combine that with RB's having a low trade value to begin with, guys in the last year of their deal having lower trade values, and his angling for top market dollar - yeah, Cook's trade value is much lower than most people who say "trade him" seem to understand. I agree. For what we'd get in return, we're not going to trade him. It's worth more for us to have him for this year. So we'll deal with whatever hold out he does. Probably OTA's maybe some of Training Camp. But I doubt he'll sit out any of the year. Even if he were to sit out a game or two, still more important to have him for the season than the peanuts we'd get moving him.

Yeah, I agree. I believe neither the Bills nor these players were looking for a reunion initially. But if there isn't much of a market interest for them as players and/or their price (and i'd assume that's the case right now) and if the board doesn't fall right at WR or CB - I could see it being revisited by both sides. That said, i'm more open to Cooper than I am Douglas. I think it's fair to assume that his wrist injury (that at least one doctor said needed surgery) compounded with trying to fit him in halfway through the year led to them using him sparingly. Perhaps with a full offseason and healthy, he could provide a little more. Douglas, however, was truly awful last season. At 31 years old (at the start of the season) - it's quite possible to me he hit the wall. If we did bring him back, i'd make him earn his spot back against Jackson and whomever we Drafted on Day 3 and not guarantee anything.

We lost two Outside WR's (Cooper and Hollins) and gained one (Palmer). It's fair to argue that we shouldn't bring back Cooper. But the idea that there is no need for him doesn't add up. We do need to replace an Outside WR and that's what Cooper is. I assume the replacement will come in the Draft rather than Cooper or another FA. But we do have a hole for Cooper's (or Hollins' depending on how they view Palmer) replacement on the roster.

I understand the Chiefs are your team. But it's okay to admit someone on your favorite team did something wrong and that they're still going to be a member of your favorite team that you'll be cheering for. It seems like whether it's Rashee Rice or now Xavier Worthy, you jump to their defense and blame others. No charges pressed means no wrong doing is flawed logic. Von Miller didn't get charged either. But I wasn't hopping to his defense. Big pockets means victims don't press charges. It was the case with Von and more likely than not, the case with Worthy. Still on Sundays, if Von was on the field I was hoping for a Sack, while accepting he's probably not a great guy. Is it a denial thing? Like you can't root for your team in good conscience unless you think they did nothing wrong? It is okay to admit that they aren't all choir boys and still be a fan of the team.

3 years, 69m for a WR who will turn 32 and is coming off an ACL tear is INSANE. I don't think he wanted to go there. So they had to make an offer that he couldn't refuse to make it happen. Still crazy.

Aaron Rodgers preferred destination is the Vikings. They've yet to name JJ McCarthy their starting QB and have yet to close the door on Rodgers. If Rodgers ends up with the Vikings like he wishes, the Steelers are nowhere. Possible Rodgers ends up with the Steelers and the Vikings just roll with McCarthy. But with the team they have in place and what they were able to do last year with Darnold, they may not want to roll the dice on a Rookie who didn't play a down last season with nothing but Brett Rypein behind him.

They signed Jameis Winston too. That's kind of surprising. I have to imagine they didn't let Jameis know as prevailing thought was he'd be the consolation prize for the team that didn't get Rodgers or Wilson. Atlanta must be thrilled. The situation definitely makes someone meeting their price for Cousins more likely.

I sincerely hope the plan is not to roll into next season with our WR core being Khalil Shakir, Joshua Palmer, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel, and Tyrell Shavers. I remember watching Joe Marino's Mock Offseason before FA started and he had us signing Joshua Palmer before it went down and Drafting a WR with one of our 2nd Round Picks. I commented saying I'd hope for a little more than that. If we don't at least do that, it would be an injustice to Josh. It's one thing to *hope* for improvements in Year 2 and 3 of Keon Coleman and Dalton Kincaid, after publicly calling them out. And for Curtis Samuel to be more this year than last year. It's another to *rely* on it, with the only (perhaps) slight improvement to the core being replacing Mack Hollins with Joshua Palmer. This scenario feels like what we went into the season with last year before realizing it wasn't enough and making a move for Cooper.

Maybe the yardage threshold of 660 yards, though he's only done it once in his four year career. But 7 TD's? He's only had 10 for his entire career and his career high is 4. It's possible he can become more with Josh. But his career to date hasn't shown that it's "easily attainable". And it's not like he comes from a bad Quarterback situation.

He was paralyzed in a Motorcycle Accident in 2007. Tough life. I was a kid getting Autographs in Fredonia when we Drafted him. He was a really nice guy. Sad.

Now that's a joke I get 😆

Yeah, I definitely own that. I can't tell serious from joking via text worth a f-ck lol Ah, gotcha. That's fair.

The Eagles went 18-3 last season. After starting the season 2-2, they went 16-1 over their last 17 games. And that 1 loss was by 3 points to the team they would go on to dismantle 55-23 in the NFC Championship game. They definitely played the game of their lives in the Super Bowl. But I don't think the Chiefs beat them 9 times out of 10. Not with the team that they built.

I don't disagree. I've been saying in every post that Beane didn't do nearly enough in the market to replace the players we lost or needed to uprgrade from and that because of it, we're relying on the Draft way more than I expected or wanted to. That said, it doesn't change the fact that that's the exact position he has put the team in.

This is like saying the Bills suck because we barely beat the Jets by 3 and lost badly to the Texans. Or that we're clearly better than the Chiefs because we can always beat them in the Regular season. When it mattered, there was nothing "suck" about the Eagles. They came together at the end of the season and especially in the Super Bowl were downright unstoppable. We face that team with the roster we have and we're gonna get smoked. Top to bottom that roster was probably the most stacked in the entire league.

Benford hasn't been extended yet. Probably bc he and his agent have looked at the market and have a price set that is top of the market. If you look at the kind of deals Beane does, they're often team friendly deals that are either in the moment a good price for us and especially after a year - looks like an underpay. The types of players who are willing to take that get done quick. The types of players that are looking for top market dollar either take time or don't get done. As for who it will be opposite Benford, you're right. It really isn't on the roster right now. And the options that are floating out there right now are a couple guys I don't see as fits and/or are more than we can afford. So you're likely looking at a scenario where we Draft a CB high and hope he can step in and play at a high level immediately, with Dane Jackson being a low level starter insurance policy if they can't. Chidobe Awuzie is the one guy I look at on the market right now that I would be looking into if I were Beane. I think he represents a higher floor than Jackson provides us and wouldn't break the bank like a Samuel would.

No offense to you, but i'm really tired of hearing this argument. If not for multiple self induced mistakes by the Ravens and completely relying on James Cook, we wouldn't have made it to the Chiefs. You say that we were 3 points away from the Super Bowl. I say that we didn't have enough offensive firepower to beat them. If not for James Cook playing like a psychopath in the 2nd half and Mack Hollins (who isn't here anymore) playing the best game of his life - we wouldn't have even been in the position to have Dalton Kincaid fail us when the game was on the line. And if we had pulled it off? We would have been DECIMATED by the Eagles, just like the healthier Chiefs who had a better built roster than we did. We had no business doing what we did last season with the roster we had. It's the #1 reason why Josh Allen won the MVP. It wasn't because he was so clearly better than Lamar. It's because he did what he did with a roster that was perceived as severely lacking compared to the kind of help Lamar had. The Eagles supremely built roster playing their best ball would have been no match for us. And we shouldn't rely on Josh Allen to play at that kind of MVP level to overcome the inadequacies of our roster every year. And as we've seen multiple times, even with that kind of superhero play from your QB, that only gets you to knocking on the door of a Super Bowl appearance. If you want to get in and win, you need to get him help. On both sides of the ball. We needed to greatly improve this roster to not only overcome the Chiefs, but to be able to stand toe to toe with the Eagles. Because the goal isn't overcoming the Chiefs. The goal is to hoist a Lombardi. And as things stand, we still have a ways to go to get back to even the kind of roster we had last season. Outside of Joey Bosa (who's a risky pickup given his injury history) replacing Von Miller and Joshua Palmer (who's a 570 yard average WR to date) replacing Mack Hollins - we have nothing to show in terms of improvement for Week 1. And we have spots like DT and CB that have even taken a step back, or more. Even WR, we're maybe *slightly* better than we were when we had to make a move midseason for Cooper (who's spot we also have yet to replace) bc it wasn't enough.

With the holes we have at positions of need and what's left in Free Agency (not to mention of our cap) - that 1st Pick is going to see significant snaps, if not start. It's been that way with a Rookie dating back to the beginning with this regime, save for Epenesa (who was a late 2nd Round pick) and Elam (who got beat out by Benford). Last year it was Keon Coleman, the year before Dalton Kincaid, in 2022 it was supposed to be Kaiir Elam but ended up being Benford (finding a Benford in the 6th is the exception, not the rule), in 2021 it was Greg Rousseau, in 2019 it was Ed Oliver, in 2018 it was Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds, and in 2017 it was Tre White. A positive contribution is greater than no contribution at all. Especially when the roster is in the shape it's in after a pretty lacking Free Agency. There's a major difference between Drafting a player who gets hurt in Training Camp and the Pre-Season and misses his Rookie year like JJ McCarthy and Drafting a guy knowing he's got a long recovery and will miss his Rookie year. That argument you're making that any Rookie we Draft can get injured and miss the season furthers my point. If we're already taking on a guy who won't play with our top pick and one of our other top picks goes down in Training Camp - we're really nowhere this year. My overall point is this roster needs far more help to this point than I was expecting. Outside of upgrading Von Miller to Joey Bosa (who is a risky proposition) and Mack Hollins to Joshua Palmer (who is a 670 yard average WR) - we have nothing to speak for in terms of improvement to the team. And at spots like CB and DT we've taken a step back. Even at WR, we only have 4 and we're maybe slightly better than we were when we had to make a deal for Cooper (who's spot we haven't replaced) halfway through the season bc we didn't have enough. With what's left in Free Agency and where we're at financially - we're looking to the Draft to fill a lot of those holes. And our best shot at doing that is with the highest picks we have. To use our top asset for a guy who we know will be on ice until next season isn't really feasible IMO.

If you read the posts before that one you'd see the entire discussion hinged on Happy's question of if Jihaad Campbell were to fall to us bc of an 8-9 month recovery window for a Surgery he just had - would you take him?

I'm sorry, but in the situation of spending our 1st on a player who won't play this year - I couldn't disagree more. And we'll just have to agree to disagree there I guess. We needed to improve this team to overcome the Chiefs and especially to compete with the Eagles if we want to win a Championship. We didn't do that in Free Agency. Outside of upgrading Von Miller to Joey Bosa (who given his health history is a bit of a risk) and Mack Hollins to Joshua Palmer - we've made no moves that move the dial and in multiple places we have outright holes and guys that should have been replaced. We need to lean on this Draft a lot harder than I was expecting to. Even before the suspensions of Ogunjobi and Hoecht. It's a large reason why OP's idea can't happen, even if someone was willing to move all the way down there. We need to hit on multiple picks that can make an impact immediately after what we did (or didn't do) in FA. In my opinion, this roster is not in the position where we have the luxury to Draft a guy that won't play for us at all in 2025 with our most valuable asset.

On one hand, yes. On the other, he's spent the past 3 years away from NCAA competition in the WWE and the NFL. That's a long time checked out of the game.

Oh, I don't disagree with Gunner. It's gross. But it doesn't change the situations.

I mean, it's not so much an excuse, but an unfortunate neccessity. We need a Starting CB. We only have 3 rosterable DT's total and Jones shouldn't even be on the roster IMO. We need another Edge. Another WR. Ogunjobi and Hoecht could have made those needs lesser. But now we're going into the year with just Ed Oliver, Daquan Jones, and Dewayne Carter at DT. And Greg Rousseau, Joey Bosa, AJ Epenesa, and Javon Solomon at Edge. One injury to Edge and you're using Bosa way more than we should or starting Solomon. And we don't even have the ability to take Daquan Jones and Ed Oliver off the field at DT. And that's not even taking into account Dane Jackson or Ja'Marcus Ingram starting across Benford. Or our WR core being just Khalil Shakir, Joshua Palmer, Keon Coleman, and Curtis Samuel. The situation is what it is. It sucks. But there's no way we can Draft a guy with our most valuable asset that also won't be able to play for us Week 1 and is probably unlikely to play for us in Year 1 at all, with how conservative McDermott is.

Right now, if I had to guess, it'll be a competition between a Round 1 or Round 2 Rookie, Dane Jackson, and Ja'Marcus Ingram. We were never going to address every position of need we had with a difference maker in FA with our cap situation. Jackson sets the floor and hopefully we Draft a Rookie who's ready right out of the gate. I'd like to see us bring in Chidobe Awuzie if we could get him on a decent deal so there's more than just Jackson and Ingram as the options if they want to bring the Rookie along slowly. Other options like Gilmore or Samuel Jr. seem unlikely to me as guys McDermott and Beane would be interested in. Though I wouldn't be opposed if they gave one of them a shot.