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16 minutes ago, r henderson said:
Like other aging veterans, durability is a bit of a concern. He's missed 16 games over the last two years and has only played a full season's worth of games once.
He only started 7 games this past season and 7 games in 2020. He's considered injury prone, will be 31 when the season starts, and has only started a full season one time in his entire career. This is why he's still available. Bringing him on as depth alongside a top CB in Round 1 or 2 of the Draft is fine. But he's not a player you sign and count on as a full time starter, or replacement to Levi Wallace.
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It's a little annoying that the person who decided to make this thread has been so lackadaisical about updating it. Like if you're not going to stay on top of it, at least a week at a time, maybe let someone else make the post?
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3 hours ago, Warcodered said:
Actually it's 2 on 43 returns or 1 on 24 returns, which would be more like 4%
And you have to take into account how he came to be a Buffalo Bill. Claimed off of Waivers by the Broncos who let him go after he fumbled SIX returns in his rookie season. He fumbled two more times between Denver and Buffalo the following season. He wasn't used on returns again until last season. So those fumbles he had weren't an anomaly.
Hopefully we draft someone who can provide more and be safer with the ball than either Stevenson or McKenzie.
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21 hours ago, NewEra said:
Everyone has warts. Even 1st round prospects.
Gee, you don't say? There's no such thing as a perfect prospect. But the best traits are found higher in the Draft. That's why they're selected there.
The issues I was referring to refer to decline and injury problems with guys in their 30's, a lot of which haven't started a full season in two years. What they bring to the table at this point is well known.
Most of the top CB's in the NFL were drafted in Round 1. Could we miss taking a CB Round 1? Of course. But the success rate is much higher. We could miss. Or we could also draft the next Tre White and line him up alongside Tre White. Most of these FA's are unsigned for a reason.
21 hours ago, NewEra said:Please show us how you came up with this math. Based on what? Your amateur opinion of the draft prospects?
The panthers didn’t have ANY good corners after losing Norman. We have white. He hit on his first corner selected. We only have to hit on the 1st one we draft, just like he did that year with Carolina. It’s a COMPLETELY different situation. But carry on with false narratives.
the only thing we know for sure: they’ve always showed disregard for cb2. ALWAYS.
Geesh. Why so angry, bud?
Maybe I could have worded it better as I wasn't trying to imply their fall from grace was all on the CB's. But I'm sure passing on Xavien Howard for Vernon Butler didn't help matters.
And yes, they have shown disregard to CB2. Where did that get us against KC? Tre went down and we were screwed. I think it would be absolute insanity for them not to learn from that. Especially where we're at as a team now and the type of teams we have to face to make the Super Bowl.
Yes, we have Tre. We have Tre returning from an ACL injury - most likely not to begin the season. I sincerely hope he returns to form immediately, but that's not a given.
Obviously if the board doesn't fall right, I'm not advocating we reach if there's someone sticking out on the board at another position we could use help in. But I vehemently disagree, especially with Tre's injury, that signing one of these leftover CB's and drafting a mid-tier prospect at Round 3 or later is the right way to go.
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So far this offseason, Brandon Beane has signed or retained Rodger Saffold, Ryan Bates, Ike Boettger, David Quessenberry, Greg Mancz, and Bobby Hart as well as upgrading the Offensive Line coaching vacancy with Aaron Kromer. Definitely seems as though Offensive Line was a focal point in Free Agency.
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5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Lots for me to disagree with:
I would be more comfortable with a veteran CB than a rookie.
I thought Dane Jackson performed well and could be the answer for CB2.
There is still FA CB help available.
And yes while there is some risk in going with a vet CB and a mid round selection I am hoping the FO is willing to take that risk if it means taking the WR they see as the BPA at the time of the 1st round pick.
Annnnddddd there it is! I was just about to ask you what position are you focused on that has you devaluing starting CB so much and completely disregarding the warts of all remaining CB's in the FA pool that I posted.
Don't get me wrong, if Jameson Williams and/or Garrett Wilson are on the board and Andrew Booth and Trent McDuffie are gone - then I'd hope they'd take a WR Round 1 and try and move up from Round 2 to get their CB.
But the odds of landing a quality, comparable WR at 57 is MUCH higher than it is we can land a 1st Round comparable CB at 57.
I'd also point out that when Beane was in Carolina, they were an almost identical position. Coming off an NFC Championship, they were in just as bad of a situation at CB going into the Draft. They passed on CB in Round 1, taking CB's in Round 2 and 3. One was a hit, one was a miss, and they went from a Super Bowl team to 6-10 the following year.
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If Kaiir Elam were still on the board at 45 and we went WR Round 1 - I see no way that we wouldn't have tried to move up.
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Geez. This isn't even the first eye opening thing I've seen regarding him and women in the past week. Hopefully he gets it together, stays off the suspension list, and focuses all his energy on Football going forward.
https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/buffalo-bills/2022/04/14/625868a622601ddf438b45eb.html
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1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Plenty is: Haden/Fuller/Buoye/Callahan/Harris/Rhodes
Tre didn't play against the Chiefs
Maybe the answer is Tre and Dane, with a short term vet CB, and groom another CB.
Half of those guys you quoted I addressed serious concerns with in the very post you quoted. And they didn't even involve age.
As for the other 3 - Chris Harris played 9 games in 2020 and started 11 in 2021, he's considered injury prone.
A.J. Bouye has played a total of 17 games over the past two seasons. Starting only 14 in 2 years.
Xavier Rhodes may be the safest bet, but last season he allowed a 62% catch rate when targeted. Ranking 51st amongst CBs.
None of these guys are guys you should feel comfortable starting. That's why they haven't been signed by any of the 32 teams. At this point, they're depth role players.
And you said it - we didn't have Tre down the stretch last season. And it proved why, especially in the position we're in, you can't place such little emphasis as you're implying on the other starting CB position. Tre goes down and we're screwed. As for Dane Jackson, we had him last season. He did not perform well and could not beat out Levi Wallace. He's not the answer at CB2.
We need to try and get someone who has the potential to, at the very least, be an upgrade from Levi. At most someone who can come in and be able to handle CB1, if something were to happen to Tre. We've let that opportunity pass us by in FA.
Taking a mid round CB like Emerson or Taylor-Britt and signing one of these guys, while keeping our fingers crossed that Tre doesn't take a step back returning from injury is very risky. Especially when we probably won't have Tre to start the season.
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40 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:
So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps. I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?
If I had a vote it would be yes. Ha.
More von and Ed and then rotate the others.
I think the rotation was frequent because we lacked studs across the line, especially at DE. Hughes and Addison were showing serious signs of decline and age and needed to be kept fresh. Rousseau was a Rookie and they probably felt they needed to bring him along slowly, at first. And obviously, the DT position opposite Oliver was less than ideal until Phillips came on later in the season.
Having Von, Rousseau having more experience, and (imo) a more talented group of guys at the other DT spot - I fully expect that we'll rotate a little less than we have in years passed.
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Then downplaying the need at CB is not as revelatory to me as some. What do you expect them to say? They're not going to come out and say "We're in really bad shape at CB. We don't like the guys we have in the building now. We HAVE to draft a guy and high".
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10 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Logic doesn't say you approach every position the same. The FO could want a cheap veteran CB. You don't attack with that mindset, you wait. The well is not almost completely dry, there are plenty out there, they just may be waiting it out.
What's plenty? As stated in my post, Haden's coming off his worst statistical year. Fuller's coming off a season where he was benched. Bryce Callahan started just 6 games last season and is more of a Nickel CB than an outside guy.
I don't know how it's possible after watching what was done to our Secondary by the Chiefs that Beane would not only not be looking for someone who could be an upgrade from Levi Wallace, but value the position even less by waiting and taking just whatever journeyman is left over at the end of FA for whatever we have left.
I do believe we will sign one of those guys. But there's no way in my mind that they think that's the definitive answer and they're cool with just that.
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2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Haden is 33 and coming off the worst statistical season of his career where he still missed 6 games.
QBs posted a 100+ QB rating going against him and missed tackles were a big issue.
And Kyle Fuller is coming off a year where he was benched for poor performance: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/22/after-high-profile-signing-broncos-have-benched-kyle-fuller/
Everyone that's still out there is out there for a reason. To an extent, I understand having some concern with starting a Rookie who may (or may not) take a little time to get his sea legs under him, if you will.
But I vehemently disagree with the notion of many that signing and starting one of these guys is a necessity and would definitively put us in a much better position than starting a Rookie ever possibly could.
1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:We’re drafting one guys. We would’ve picked up a guy by now. Maybe if we can’t what we want after the draft, but it’s dead waters until after the draft. Just my take.
Exactly this. Logic says that if they viewed starting a veteran at CB as an absolute necessity, we would have attacked it like we attacked other positions in FA. We would not have let the well almost completely dry up and go into the Draft with a hole there.
I believe we will sign a veteran late in the Offseason to provide depth and added help with Tre out for a bit to start the season. But that will be in conjunction with a 1st or 2nd Round Draft Pick. None of these guys available are anything more than a 1 year band aid.
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4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Blockbusters!!😎🤪
Bills Trade with Niners & Giants
Niners get#25
2024 3rd
Isaiah Hodgins
Marquez Stevenson
Bills get
WR/HB Deebo Samuel
Giants get
#572023 2nd + 5th
2022 6th
Zach Moss
AJ Epenesa
Bills get
#36 - select RB Breece Hall
CB James Bradberry restructure/extended
So we're going to pay what we're paying Diggs and then pay Samuel the same if not more? I'm not even going to get into the idea that Hodgins (a guy we released and sat on the PS to be signed at any point) and Stevenson (who will most likely be doing the same this season) would be trade bait. Also pay Tre what we're paying him and sign Bradberry to what he's going to want long term?
HA!!!
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40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't consider 40 times a special trait.
Speed is the one trait that they've been talking about needing all offseason. It's what our WR core is lacking on the top end. He also provides more yards after catch than Olave. I think you're seriously dismissing his traits as a prospect by saying he doesn't provide anything special.
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59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I disagree with this. I think it is more likely than not that Wilson is gone by #25.... but knowing the way a lot of NFL teams look at draft prospects I think the reason a slide for Wilson isn't beyond the realm of possibility is because I think he lacks that single special trait. With Williams it is the vertical, downfield separation; Olave it is route running; Burks it is YAC; London it is contested catch ability.
Wilson is a bit of an all arounder without having that one single trait that GMs are going to fall for.
He is a player that it would not shock me if he goes later than the talking heads consensus. If he is the 4th or 5th receiver taken I would not be stunned.
Apparently you don't consider speed a special trait for a WR. He ran faster than everyone you mentioned at the Combine, save for Williams, who is coming off an ACL tear. I didn't mention him anyways as it wouldn't shock me if he were the 1st WR off the board, even with the ACL tear. But there is no way Wilson is the 5th WR taken.
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2 votes for Christian Watson over Garrett Wilson? I like Christian Watson but c'mon! The guy was a 3rd Round prospect a few months ago and now he has superfans around here that have him as WR1. Absolute insanity.
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2 minutes ago, wppete said:
I mean we got to keep it semi realistic. No way Garrett Wilson falls to #25 🤦♂️
Yeah, Garrett Wilson is more often than not the 1st WR off the board. How 4 WR's went in the 1st Round and he wasn't one of them is baffling. Zero chance Chris Olave AND Treylon Burks go before Wilson.
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31 minutes ago, NewEra said:
It makes sense looking at our holes, but I don’t think we’ll be trading up for one, which would likely cost us another 1st rd pick next year.
maybe you’re right. I don’t like the scenario
Sure, it will cost a 1st if you want Gardner or Stingley. But i'm more or less talking about moving up for Booth or McDuffie, if one is the guy Beane has targeted. About half of all mocks and more than half of the simulations I've done have them both gone a few picks before 25. It wouldn't cost a 1st to move up a handful of picks. I don't see Beane just sitting on his hands and hoping his guy falls to 25.
And if we wait until Round 2 - there is most likely a large dropoff by the time 57 rolls around. We'd be lucky if McCreary were on the board. Elam and Gordon will be long gone.
I personally feel that after watching the Playoffs, they decided they needed more talent than Levi on the other side. If we wait until Round 57 or 89, we could luck out. But with the hole we have and Tre being out, I don't see that as a wise move.
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2 minutes ago, Virgil said:
Because we’ve already established he was the pick with another poll. Why do it again?Because in this mock, he'd be the best available CB. Would you remove all other CB's too? And if not, why select a lesser talent? I just think doing mocks for the sake of drafting someone different each time is odd.
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1 minute ago, Virgil said:
I’m not going to list him in the poll. He was already in the first one.
How many will ask me about it? Over/Under 20? 😋
I don't understand the logic in this. We have to select a different guy in Round 1 each time?
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57 minutes ago, NewEra said:
And that’s ok. It’s an exercise for fun.
I find a flaw in your rational. You’re operating under the assumption that the only position Beane values in rd 1 of this draft is corner. I don’t think that’s the case. We were “in on Gilmore up before he signed a couple days ago. If we signed Gilmore, would we still have been corner only if we had signed him? So now that we didn’t sign gilmore, are there any other free agents that can fill in for Tre until he returns? Joe Haden, Kyle Fuller, Janoris Jenkins, Xavier Rhodes, jason Verrett, Bryce Callahan, AJ Bouye, Kevin King can’t be that guy? All could possibly supplant Dane as cb2 when Tre returns.
I find a flaw in your rational if you think we were truly in on Gilmore. Our "interest" was almost definitely just checking in on if we could get a bargain for him being available this late in FA. If he was truly someone we were interested in at the price range he were asking, we'd have been in on him early and would have been one of his visits.
Any of these other guys you mentioned are band aids. They're either ancient, career journeyman, or guys who have underperformed in recent years. Fuller, for example, was benched last season for poor play.
If the plan were to simply go veteran, they wouldn't have let the market dry up this much. It would have been addressed before now. I think we'll grab a guy later in the Offseason for a bargain. But that's just to provide some extra help with Tre down and depth. With what we're paying Tre, I think we're looking for an upgrade in talent from Levi long term at a cost controlled price. Only way to do that is to Draft a guy.
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39 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:
If Beane moves up to draft a corner he is a rank amateur and an idiot.
No offense meant and as always, jmo.
If he wants one of the top four CB's, better chance that they won't be there at 25 than it is they are. I'm not saying a massive move for a Gardner or Stingley is likely (though I don't think it's a definite no), calling him an "idiot" to make a move up a few picks to guarantee he gets the guy he wants is ridiculous.
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The flaw in this mock is with the Bills pick being a User Vote, the Bills have to stay put at 25 while all these other teams are moving up. I almost expect Beane to do the same as I don't think he's just going to sit there and hope the CB prospect he likes will fall to him at 25.
AJ Bouye: Levi Wallace replacement
in The Stadium Wall
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You mean this Kyle Fuller? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/22/after-high-profile-signing-broncos-have-benched-kyle-fuller/
Again, if we want to sign one of these guys as some extra help with Tre out to start the season and as depth alongside a 1st or 2nd Round CB - that's fine.
But I can't wrap my head around fans (not you specifically bc idk if you're of this mind or not) that are advocating not prioritizing CB in Free Agency by signing one of these leftovers late and also not prioritizing drafting one higher than Round 3.
Especially with how last season ended and with Tre returning from an ACL injury, where we don't know if he'll be the same guy this year and most likely won't start the season.