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11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I see where they are on the line very differently. They have brought back a versatile career backup and are now pencilling him in as a starter on the basis of 6 serviceable games (and he was serviceable, steady, not spectacular). I am pleased they have done that, glad he is back but it doesn't mean he is definitely the answer. They have added a declining vet who has struggled in pass pro his entire career. They have a 2nd year right tackle who did reasonably well for a rookie but still has a lot of work to do in pass pro. Oh and Dion, the one truly high level player on the line came back overweight last year, then had covid and really didn't play his best until the stretch run (Dion's form was the main reason the oline improved IMO). And their depth is Greg Mancz, Tommy Doyle, Bobby freaking Hart and, if they are lucky, Ike Boettger by Thanksgiving.
Brandon Beane said the number 1 priority was protect Josh Allen. If you get a chance to draft a top line tackle prospect you do it. You protect Josh Allen.
Yeah. So you improve your depth at OL in middle rounds. I'm not saying you don't draft a Lineman in this Draft. I am saying the starting line is set. You didn't sign Saffold and Bates to the money he paid to sit them. You don't bring guys in and tell them they're going to start and then say "whoops, sorry bud, I lied". You don't take a guy on Day 2, make him a Starter at RT (where he performed better than you're giving him credit for btw) and then just replace them.
You think I'm wrong. I think you're wrong. We should probably just agree to disagree. Nothing you've said makes me think you draft an OT in Round 1 and I'm sure nothing I've said makes you think you don't. If he's truly the surefire All-Pro Tackle you think he is, he won't be there at 25 anyways.
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5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:
I think the plan remains to address CB2 with a vet. I think the plan was always a CB2 vet on a team friendly deal, not vet CB at all costs. They never planned to be a big player, big spender, at CB2 (that was reserved for pass rusher). So by being a secondary player in the market you should not have expected someone right off the bat. Unusual circumstances have the acquisition delayed a little longer than in the past.
Steve Nelson is not coming in as depth. You aren't seriously thinking Booth would start over him are you? I would pencil him in as the starter. Same for Rhodes/Callahan/King/Haden/Fuller/Gilmore/maybe Sherman.
So let me get this straight - you think it was "always the plan" to start whoever was left over at the end of FA and willing to sign for whatever pocket change we have left over? To address all these other positions, but when it comes to starting Outside CB - we'll just take whoever is best when the carousel stops spinning months later?
We're about two weeks from the Draft, haven't made a move, and let Levi walk when we could have easily gotten that done. And the fact that he was scooped up immediately while all these others (sans Gilmore who is looking to get PAID) are still floating out there speak volumes about what the league thinks of them. This obviously speaks to looking for an upgrade in talent, cost controlled. The only way you do that is to Draft one high.
As for your absolute shock and horror that a Rookie could start at CB.... every single 1st Round Rookie started at CB last season. When we drafted Tre White in 2017 at pick 27, we started him right away. If you're taken in the 1st Round, you're way more often than not expected to start right away.
Don't get me wrong, I think we will sign a vet. But it will be a guy who can start along the 1st Round Rookie when Tre is out and cycle on off the bench when Tre returns. You've gotta step off the fence when it comes to "we can't start a Rookie CB!". When you take one in the First Round, they start. Unless something really unexpected happens. Guys in the 1st Round are taken there because they're ready. Bring in a guy for insurance, of course.
But you would absolutely start Booth over even Nelson. Unless something unexpected or catastrophic happened. Keep in mind, Nelson was a healthy scratch for the Eagles down the stretch. Not the sure fire stud you think he is. Haden and Sherman are ancient and need to have controlled reps to keep them sharp. Gilmore isn't happening. He's only on the market still because he's asking for TOP money. We can only afford a few million max. Callahan, King, Fuller aren't going to put a 1st Rounder on the bench.
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55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Our offensive line was the worst unit on the team last year. And it wasn't close. You don't pass on a top end left tackle prospect. Work out who plays where later. A line of Penning - Dawkins - Morse - Saffold - Brown for example would instantly take the Bills oline from weakness to strength.
It wasn't after we added Ryan Bates to the equation. We had one of the best rushing teams in terms of production down the stretch. And that was without a Pro Bowl Guard on the other side, which we have now in Saffold. We also matched a long term multi-million dollar contract offer to Bates to be a Starter. He's not being moved to the bench. It wouldn't be in line with the way Beane team builds to take that away from him and pay him millions to be on the bench. Starting Offensive Lineman play 100% or very close to it every game. Spencer Brown would be riding the pine. Especially when you consider it's not a guarantee that just because you're a good Tackle that you'll be good on the Inside.
The Line has been upgraded already. Of all of those positions I mentioned above where help is needed right now or by next year, there will be a comparable prospect to Penning. And you could add Defensive Tackle to the equation as well as a position that would be more utilized now and could be needed with Jordan Phillips on a 1 year deal. Even Defensive End with the amount they're rotated and Shaq Lawson being on a one year deal and us being a body short there from last season. I wouldn't do either of those either, but those are two other positions to add to the large list that would be more needed and make more sense than an OT.
There's a reason why you never see OT mocked to the Bills. You see CB, WR, OG, RB, sometimes DT, or LB. It's because OT is set and set for years to come.
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57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
If Trevor Pennings gets to them they would be mad not to think about drafting him. Work out who plays where later. The guys has all pro left tackle potential. You don't pass on those guys just because it is not your number 1 need.
There's only two starting Tackle positions on the team. We already have a Starting Left Tackle we're paying Long Term who was a Pro Bowl player last season. We have a Right Tackle who had a very good rookie season and has room for growth that we have for 3 more seasons. There's only 2 Starting positions. So we move a very good player we spent a Day 2 pick on last season to the pine for Penning?
Meanwhile we have Dane Jackson at CB2, who we'll ask to play CB1 with Tre out and have Cam Lewis on the other side. We need another RB with Singletary (as Duke and Moss are fighting for #3) and Singletary's on the last year of his deal. We're down a WR from last season, Crowder's on a one year deal, and we're one injury away on the outside from having to start Jake Kumerow. And on top of Singletary and Crowder, TE Dawson Knox, LB Tremaine Edmunds, S Jordan Poyer, and OG Rodger Saffold are all FA's next season and we're going to have to replace some of them.
Upgrading a position that doesn't need upgrading with all of that going on is absolutely ridiculous. I get BPA. But it's BPA at a position of need, at absolute most within the coming year or two. There's a MYRIAD of positions that fit that role. Offensive Tackle is not one of them.
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52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
You smell that? That's "the process".
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27 minutes ago, ganesh said:
If the IOL is their BPA at. 1, 2 or 3, I am sure the Bills are going to take him.
I think that's the wrong decision this season at 1 or 2. Ryan Bates and Rodger Saffold aren't sitting this season. Ike Boettger is a solid reserve. I don't think you should spend a 1st or 2nd Round pick on someone who's not going to see much playing time this season when there's positions that need starters or reserves that will see much more playing time.
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14 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
IF true and IF signed before the draft, OK, but if not then I think it is foolish to count on that as the draft starts.
I don't see it happening. As I stated in an earlier post, we're at a little over 8 million under the cap. It's going to take around 3 to sign our Draft Picks. You don't want to go into the regular season at 0. Most teams keep 2-3 in case of injuries or surprise releases. So whomever we sign will not be of the Stephon Gilmore or James Bradberry variety (especially when the latter will cost a Draft Pick and we won't be signing him to a costly long term deal).
I think the plan at Veteran CB is to get a bargain on a one year deal as Training Camp comes near and guys get desperate. But that's to add to the depth chart that will include a high Draft Pick. Without Tre, we're not going to start the season with just a Steven Nelson like vet we sign late, alongside Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis.
If the plan were to address CB2 with a vet, we'd have been in on someone of substance right off the bat. The fact that we haven't clearly points to them looking for a long term cost controlled option in the Draft. Circumvented by another solid bargain guy late in the Offseason.
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27 minutes ago, Vickveto said:
Everbody wants booth so bad. But what is so shocking to me is that nobody mentions he is undergoing surgery right now. ON A CORE MUSCLE He messed up his quad supposedly training for the draft. Now why is that somebody I want to spend a first round draft pick on?
Because it wasn't considered serious and his recovery has him missing no time at all? His timetable has him back at 100% by Training Camp.
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1 hour ago, Vickveto said:
I believe there are three veteran corners on the market that will be better than any corner at 25 this year. Not included the bradberry situation which he is another option.
I like Christian Watson a lot. But he's a guy who was looked at as a late 2nd to 3rd Round Pick who has improved his stock to a high 2nd Round pick. Maybe someone who could sneak into the last couple picks of Round 1. 25 is too high for him.
As for the veteran Corner situation, we're not signing anyone long term if we make a move. Beane isn't going to pay what he's paying Tre and give big money to someone on the other side as well, with the amount of big contracts we have on the books already and the number of guys we need to extend in the future.
Anyone we sign would be a 1 year stop gap. And I highly doubt it will be a James Bradberry (especially when it will cost a Draft Pick and would just be a 1 year rental) or a Stephon Gilmore. We have a little over 8 million right now. It will take about 3 to sign our Draft Picks. And Beane, like most teams, like to keep around 2-3 going into the season in case of emergency.
Beane's actions this offseason have shown that be realizes that you can't just have 1 solid CB and a bunch of average guys and that we want an upgrade from Levi Wallace. This was proven by letting him walk even though they easily could have re-signed him. The only way you do this long term at a cost controlled level is to Draft one high.
If the plan were to solidify that position strictly with a vet, he'd have done that by now. The fact that he hasn't all but tips his hand. I do believe a bargain vet CB will be signed. At best, a Steven Nelson or a Bryce Callahan. But again, it would be a one year deal. And with Tre White most likely out for a few games at the start of the season, you still need more than just that.
BIt of a long winded reply, I know. But basically I'm saying - there is no way in hell you pass on Andrew Booth for Christian Watson. Even if you plan on signing Steven Nelson. You take Booth and if you really like a Christian Watson or Skyy Moore, you trade up from 57.
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Dawkins and Brown are both under contract Long Term. Both have earned their starting positions, Dawkins at a Pro Bowl level and Brown showing he was way ahead of schedule and has room for growth. Drafting an OT in Round 1 makes no sense.
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IMO Zack Moss' current role on this team is a Training Camp battle with Duke Johnson to be the #3 RB on this team.
He had two seasons of opportunities and their utilizing him as a healthy scratch down the stretch and their signing of J.D. McKissic (even though it fell through) shows they've lost faith in him to be the #2 RB. Right now he's battling for the roster spot held by Matt Breida last season and T.J. Yeldon before it.
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That kid who asked "can you bring Josh Allen?" 😂
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My take on Running Back is you don't take one in the First Round this year, period, end of statement.
If you land a CB like Gardner, Stingley, Booth, or McDuffie in Round 1 and Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker III are available AND there isn't a WR there that has fallen further than you'd expect (like Skyy Moore or Christian Watson), you can take either Walker or Hall in Round 2. But only one of those those two. Otherwise, I'm generally eyeing James Cook in Round 3.
I'd be pleased in this scenario.
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3 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said:
Maybe Insurance if they don't land guys in the draft they want?
Maybe. But I don't see O-Line being a priority in the first couple rounds. We lost Daryl Williams and Jon Feliciano. We signed Rodger Saffold and Greg Mancz as well as retaining Ryan Bates, Ike Boettger, and Bobby Hart. The starting Line is written in pen this season already. I'm sure we'll draft a Lineman or two. But I don't see it being until Round 3 or 4 at the earliest.
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He must be a real good guy on the Practice Field and in the Film Room. Because they love them some Bobby Hart. Hopefully Tommy Doyle takes a step forward and Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown stay healthy and that's all he'll need to be.
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On 1/15/2022 at 11:42 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Since Ryan Bates has playing guard the Oline has been a revelation. Is not as big of a priority that we thought most of the season?
(Also what's with the Rick Bates story?)
It WAS a big priority. But in signing Rodger Saffold and Greg Mancz and retaining Ryan Bates and Ike Boettger - it's been addressed. The starting Line is set for this season. Though there's a lot of one year deals there, I still don't think you're taking a Lineman in Round 1 or 2. Just mid round developmental guys for the coming seasons.
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I believe this is what the kids call being ratioed.
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5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
It’s pry a fair assumption although they could easily add cap space if needed. Rule out nothing is a good rule of thumb.
I'm just speaking about the Diggs move itself. There were people thinking the Diggs move in and of itself meant Stephon Gilmore or anyone we wanted could be signed. It would require more than just the Diggs move.
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So 6.1 was added. I had heard that if cap was saved, it could be somewhere between 5 on the low end, 9 on the high end.
We were just somewhere around 275,000 under yesterday, this brings us to just under 6.5 million under. We'll need somewhere between 2.5 to 3 to sign Draft picks.
So maybe we make a small move or two, at the minimum level or just above it. But he also likes to have a little space in case of emergency for the season.
Long story short, I don't think it changes our position all that much. Just gives us the space we need to be in okay shape for the Draft and in case of emergency.
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I've been saying it all offseason on posts around here, both Beane and McDermott have been transparent in saying on multiple occasions that we need speed. With that in mind, I've been convinced that we're going to draft someone who has a 4.41 40 or better.
So I'm not surprised that we'd be interested in Moore. Much like others, I'd hope it wouldn't be at 25. Preferably, we'd trade down a few slots and pick up some more picks or trade up from 57 for him. In my mind the list of guys we're probably targeting are:
Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, or Chris Olave in Round 1 (would have to move up for Wilson, definitely. Olave, maybe)
Jahan Dotson, Skyy Moore, Christian Watson, Alec Pierce, or Calvin Austin III in Round 2 (will probably have to trade up from 57 for Dotson, Moore or Watson)
Velus Moore, Bo Melton, Tyquan Thornton, or Danny Gray between Rounds 3 to 7.
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Beane: Good to see you Trevon, why don't you step over here. Have you ever seen the movie "Face Off"?
*Dane Jackson strapped to a machine*
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Yes. I also think if there's a guy Beane really likes and fears he may not make it to 25, he'll move up.
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Metchie is really good value from a talent standpoint in Round 3. Kind of hard to pass that up.
However, as I've stated in previous posts, this entire offseason both Beane and McDermott have preached needing speed on offense. Walker being a 4.38 guy helps out of the backfield. And while OJ Howard's 4.5 doesn't sound like much, for a man his size out of the TE position, that is fast.
But I feel that they're looking for an added element of speed with the WR roster spot vacated by Emmanuel Sanders. So I'm not entirely convinced Metchie would be one of the guys we'd be looking at. Again though, the talent and the value would be tempting.
I think in this scenario, we'd still look to add in further rounds. I'd have eyes on Velus Jones, Bo Melton, Tyquan Thornton, or Danny Gray as the Draft goes on.
I don't get the feeling that they think much of Marquez Stevenson. As evidenced by them not using him at all last season, even when we needed speed and needed help with injuries. So Metchie could take Sanders roster spot and one of those guys could battle with Stevenson, the loser moving to the Practice Squad.
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
Oh, wait.
I see that it was Sherlock Holmes. Now it makes sense. Keeping the "I love white football players" and "heart eyes for Christian McCaffrey" schticks going.
I can't say I necessarily understand the gimmick, but I have to give him credit for committing to the bit.Here are Max Borghi's Overall Prospect Rankings in the main Mock Draft Simulators:
PFF - 221
The Draft Network - 299
NFL Mock Draft Database - 309
Pro Football Network - 398
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Keyshawn is a Josh hater. He's always slighting him. I think at this point it's an attention seeking gimmick. Not quite the level of Nick Wright, but in the same vein.