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13 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:
There’s a good chance that Zion is rated much higher than whatever CBs are on the board.
We're set at Guard this season. Yes, Saffold is signed to a 1 year deal, but that doesn't mean they're already looking to replace him next season before even seeing how he plays here. He could perform at a high level and then look to extend him.
Bates is signed to a long term contract at decent money for a Starter but a lot for a reserve. He was signed to start in Chicago. Beane wouldn't have matched that deal if he planned on him being a reserve. He'd have let him go and signed a cheaper alternative.
If we're spending our 1st on a guy that won't start until next season, there's a myriad of positions we could take outside of Guard. Even if Corner doesn't play out well, there could still be a WR that would get more playing time than a Guard would this season.
After signing or retaining 4 different Guards this offseason, using a 1st on Guard as well seems a little much for me.
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On 4/23/2022 at 2:45 PM, SCBills said:
I wouldn’t say CB, because Tre will be back.
Tre, Dane and Taron is a pretty solid trio and while someone like Booth (if available) might take it to another level, it seems the staff is high on Dane, and for good reason.
Probably RB. Not saying we should draft one at 25, but Breece Hall’s potential dwarfs anyone we have on the roster.
Tre is coming off an ACL injury. He won't start the season and may or may not return to top form immediately. Dane Jackson lost the CB2 competition to Levi Wallace last season and underperformed expectations. Taron Johnson is a Nickel Corner.
We're heading into the Draft starting the season with Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis on the outside with Practice Squad players for depth and having not signed any CB in Free Agency to replace Levi Wallace. Those that are left on the market at this point are on the wrong side of 30, have injury issues, and/or have declined in play.
Outside Cornerback is a HUGE glaring issue.
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2 hours ago, NewEra said:
We had the number 1 pass defense in the league even after Tre went out while having Dane and Levi as our starters. We got beat by a cheat code in Hill and a terrible coaching decision. Some of us realize that we don’t have to have 5 potential pro bowlers in the secondary. Our safety’s each make 10M- Tre makes 17M- we have the 2nd highest paid slot corner in the league. We’ve invested plenty on D. While our franchises best players ever has Spencer Brown, ryan Bates and Rodger Saffold pass blocking for him. But Cb2…..we need to invest all of our best assets into the D….not our franchises best player ever.
We were able to maintain things well when we played the Patriots twice, the Jets, the Panthers, and the Falcons down that stretch. We played two teams of substance with Levi and Dane at CB. The Buccaneers, who passed for 363 yards on our Secondary and the Chiefs who passed for 378 yards.
We no longer have Levi Wallace. Tre White is coming off an ACL, unlikely to start the season, and not a guarantee to return to form immediately when he does. We're looking at starting the season with Dane Jackson (a guy with a 58.5 PFF score who was expected to be CB2, but couldn't beat out Levi in Training Camp) and Cam Lewis as our Starters. We have a gaping hole at a Starting position (two to start the season). We need to have better production from our CB's than we had last season if we want to beat contenders.
The Offensive Line has been addressed with people brought in to be Starters. If you think we signed Pro Bowl Guard Rodger Saffold to 6.25 million to backup, you're kidding yourself. Likewise if you think we would have matched a 4 year 17 million dollar (9 million guaranteed) deal to start in Chicago, just to put him on the bench here, you're kidding yourself. We wouldn't have matched it and just signed a cheaper reserve if that were the plan.
We've signed or retained six Offensive Lineman this offseason, as well as upgrading the coaching in Kromer. I'm sorry you disagree with the players that were brought in. But the Starting Offensive Line is set this season.
You want to get some more depth and development for next season on Day 2 or 3, that's fine. But it's absolutely ridiculous to replace guys who don't need replacing and just throw scraps at a position that is a massive red flag right now. If the well is dry at CB when we pick at 25 and a Lineman is on the board that is sticking out like a sore thumb (and I'm not talking a Zion Johnson or a Kenyon Green), then maybe. Otherwise, no way.
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Yeah, let's hand out another 25-30 million a year to a WR AND give up a 1st Round pick and more. That sounds wise.
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Had character issues going into the Draft and the team that drafted him in Round 1 is looking to move on from him after just 1 season?
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33 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Well he is a former Panther. And played for John Butler in Houston.
I prefer Kyle Fuller if we are talking vet players.
You mean this Kyle Fuller? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/22/after-high-profile-signing-broncos-have-benched-kyle-fuller/
Again, if we want to sign one of these guys as some extra help with Tre out to start the season and as depth alongside a 1st or 2nd Round CB - that's fine.
But I can't wrap my head around fans (not you specifically bc idk if you're of this mind or not) that are advocating not prioritizing CB in Free Agency by signing one of these leftovers late and also not prioritizing drafting one higher than Round 3.
Especially with how last season ended and with Tre returning from an ACL injury, where we don't know if he'll be the same guy this year and most likely won't start the season.
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16 minutes ago, r henderson said:
Like other aging veterans, durability is a bit of a concern. He's missed 16 games over the last two years and has only played a full season's worth of games once.
He only started 7 games this past season and 7 games in 2020. He's considered injury prone, will be 31 when the season starts, and has only started a full season one time in his entire career. This is why he's still available. Bringing him on as depth alongside a top CB in Round 1 or 2 of the Draft is fine. But he's not a player you sign and count on as a full time starter, or replacement to Levi Wallace.
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It's a little annoying that the person who decided to make this thread has been so lackadaisical about updating it. Like if you're not going to stay on top of it, at least a week at a time, maybe let someone else make the post?
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3 hours ago, Warcodered said:
Actually it's 2 on 43 returns or 1 on 24 returns, which would be more like 4%
And you have to take into account how he came to be a Buffalo Bill. Claimed off of Waivers by the Broncos who let him go after he fumbled SIX returns in his rookie season. He fumbled two more times between Denver and Buffalo the following season. He wasn't used on returns again until last season. So those fumbles he had weren't an anomaly.
Hopefully we draft someone who can provide more and be safer with the ball than either Stevenson or McKenzie.
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21 hours ago, NewEra said:
Everyone has warts. Even 1st round prospects.
Gee, you don't say? There's no such thing as a perfect prospect. But the best traits are found higher in the Draft. That's why they're selected there.
The issues I was referring to refer to decline and injury problems with guys in their 30's, a lot of which haven't started a full season in two years. What they bring to the table at this point is well known.
Most of the top CB's in the NFL were drafted in Round 1. Could we miss taking a CB Round 1? Of course. But the success rate is much higher. We could miss. Or we could also draft the next Tre White and line him up alongside Tre White. Most of these FA's are unsigned for a reason.
21 hours ago, NewEra said:Please show us how you came up with this math. Based on what? Your amateur opinion of the draft prospects?
The panthers didn’t have ANY good corners after losing Norman. We have white. He hit on his first corner selected. We only have to hit on the 1st one we draft, just like he did that year with Carolina. It’s a COMPLETELY different situation. But carry on with false narratives.
the only thing we know for sure: they’ve always showed disregard for cb2. ALWAYS.
Geesh. Why so angry, bud?
Maybe I could have worded it better as I wasn't trying to imply their fall from grace was all on the CB's. But I'm sure passing on Xavien Howard for Vernon Butler didn't help matters.
And yes, they have shown disregard to CB2. Where did that get us against KC? Tre went down and we were screwed. I think it would be absolute insanity for them not to learn from that. Especially where we're at as a team now and the type of teams we have to face to make the Super Bowl.
Yes, we have Tre. We have Tre returning from an ACL injury - most likely not to begin the season. I sincerely hope he returns to form immediately, but that's not a given.
Obviously if the board doesn't fall right, I'm not advocating we reach if there's someone sticking out on the board at another position we could use help in. But I vehemently disagree, especially with Tre's injury, that signing one of these leftover CB's and drafting a mid-tier prospect at Round 3 or later is the right way to go.
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So far this offseason, Brandon Beane has signed or retained Rodger Saffold, Ryan Bates, Ike Boettger, David Quessenberry, Greg Mancz, and Bobby Hart as well as upgrading the Offensive Line coaching vacancy with Aaron Kromer. Definitely seems as though Offensive Line was a focal point in Free Agency.
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5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Lots for me to disagree with:
I would be more comfortable with a veteran CB than a rookie.
I thought Dane Jackson performed well and could be the answer for CB2.
There is still FA CB help available.
And yes while there is some risk in going with a vet CB and a mid round selection I am hoping the FO is willing to take that risk if it means taking the WR they see as the BPA at the time of the 1st round pick.
Annnnddddd there it is! I was just about to ask you what position are you focused on that has you devaluing starting CB so much and completely disregarding the warts of all remaining CB's in the FA pool that I posted.
Don't get me wrong, if Jameson Williams and/or Garrett Wilson are on the board and Andrew Booth and Trent McDuffie are gone - then I'd hope they'd take a WR Round 1 and try and move up from Round 2 to get their CB.
But the odds of landing a quality, comparable WR at 57 is MUCH higher than it is we can land a 1st Round comparable CB at 57.
I'd also point out that when Beane was in Carolina, they were an almost identical position. Coming off an NFC Championship, they were in just as bad of a situation at CB going into the Draft. They passed on CB in Round 1, taking CB's in Round 2 and 3. One was a hit, one was a miss, and they went from a Super Bowl team to 6-10 the following year.
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If Kaiir Elam were still on the board at 45 and we went WR Round 1 - I see no way that we wouldn't have tried to move up.
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Geez. This isn't even the first eye opening thing I've seen regarding him and women in the past week. Hopefully he gets it together, stays off the suspension list, and focuses all his energy on Football going forward.
https://www.marca.com/en/nfl/buffalo-bills/2022/04/14/625868a622601ddf438b45eb.html
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1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Plenty is: Haden/Fuller/Buoye/Callahan/Harris/Rhodes
Tre didn't play against the Chiefs
Maybe the answer is Tre and Dane, with a short term vet CB, and groom another CB.
Half of those guys you quoted I addressed serious concerns with in the very post you quoted. And they didn't even involve age.
As for the other 3 - Chris Harris played 9 games in 2020 and started 11 in 2021, he's considered injury prone.
A.J. Bouye has played a total of 17 games over the past two seasons. Starting only 14 in 2 years.
Xavier Rhodes may be the safest bet, but last season he allowed a 62% catch rate when targeted. Ranking 51st amongst CBs.
None of these guys are guys you should feel comfortable starting. That's why they haven't been signed by any of the 32 teams. At this point, they're depth role players.
And you said it - we didn't have Tre down the stretch last season. And it proved why, especially in the position we're in, you can't place such little emphasis as you're implying on the other starting CB position. Tre goes down and we're screwed. As for Dane Jackson, we had him last season. He did not perform well and could not beat out Levi Wallace. He's not the answer at CB2.
We need to try and get someone who has the potential to, at the very least, be an upgrade from Levi. At most someone who can come in and be able to handle CB1, if something were to happen to Tre. We've let that opportunity pass us by in FA.
Taking a mid round CB like Emerson or Taylor-Britt and signing one of these guys, while keeping our fingers crossed that Tre doesn't take a step back returning from injury is very risky. Especially when we probably won't have Tre to start the season.
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40 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:
So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps. I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?
If I had a vote it would be yes. Ha.
More von and Ed and then rotate the others.
I think the rotation was frequent because we lacked studs across the line, especially at DE. Hughes and Addison were showing serious signs of decline and age and needed to be kept fresh. Rousseau was a Rookie and they probably felt they needed to bring him along slowly, at first. And obviously, the DT position opposite Oliver was less than ideal until Phillips came on later in the season.
Having Von, Rousseau having more experience, and (imo) a more talented group of guys at the other DT spot - I fully expect that we'll rotate a little less than we have in years passed.
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Then downplaying the need at CB is not as revelatory to me as some. What do you expect them to say? They're not going to come out and say "We're in really bad shape at CB. We don't like the guys we have in the building now. We HAVE to draft a guy and high".
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10 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Logic doesn't say you approach every position the same. The FO could want a cheap veteran CB. You don't attack with that mindset, you wait. The well is not almost completely dry, there are plenty out there, they just may be waiting it out.
What's plenty? As stated in my post, Haden's coming off his worst statistical year. Fuller's coming off a season where he was benched. Bryce Callahan started just 6 games last season and is more of a Nickel CB than an outside guy.
I don't know how it's possible after watching what was done to our Secondary by the Chiefs that Beane would not only not be looking for someone who could be an upgrade from Levi Wallace, but value the position even less by waiting and taking just whatever journeyman is left over at the end of FA for whatever we have left.
I do believe we will sign one of those guys. But there's no way in my mind that they think that's the definitive answer and they're cool with just that.
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2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Haden is 33 and coming off the worst statistical season of his career where he still missed 6 games.
QBs posted a 100+ QB rating going against him and missed tackles were a big issue.
And Kyle Fuller is coming off a year where he was benched for poor performance: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/22/after-high-profile-signing-broncos-have-benched-kyle-fuller/
Everyone that's still out there is out there for a reason. To an extent, I understand having some concern with starting a Rookie who may (or may not) take a little time to get his sea legs under him, if you will.
But I vehemently disagree with the notion of many that signing and starting one of these guys is a necessity and would definitively put us in a much better position than starting a Rookie ever possibly could.
1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:We’re drafting one guys. We would’ve picked up a guy by now. Maybe if we can’t what we want after the draft, but it’s dead waters until after the draft. Just my take.
Exactly this. Logic says that if they viewed starting a veteran at CB as an absolute necessity, we would have attacked it like we attacked other positions in FA. We would not have let the well almost completely dry up and go into the Draft with a hole there.
I believe we will sign a veteran late in the Offseason to provide depth and added help with Tre out for a bit to start the season. But that will be in conjunction with a 1st or 2nd Round Draft Pick. None of these guys available are anything more than a 1 year band aid.
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4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Blockbusters!!😎🤪
Bills Trade with Niners & Giants
Niners get#25
2024 3rd
Isaiah Hodgins
Marquez Stevenson
Bills get
WR/HB Deebo Samuel
Giants get
#572023 2nd + 5th
2022 6th
Zach Moss
AJ Epenesa
Bills get
#36 - select RB Breece Hall
CB James Bradberry restructure/extended
So we're going to pay what we're paying Diggs and then pay Samuel the same if not more? I'm not even going to get into the idea that Hodgins (a guy we released and sat on the PS to be signed at any point) and Stevenson (who will most likely be doing the same this season) would be trade bait. Also pay Tre what we're paying him and sign Bradberry to what he's going to want long term?
HA!!!
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40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't consider 40 times a special trait.
Speed is the one trait that they've been talking about needing all offseason. It's what our WR core is lacking on the top end. He also provides more yards after catch than Olave. I think you're seriously dismissing his traits as a prospect by saying he doesn't provide anything special.
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59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I disagree with this. I think it is more likely than not that Wilson is gone by #25.... but knowing the way a lot of NFL teams look at draft prospects I think the reason a slide for Wilson isn't beyond the realm of possibility is because I think he lacks that single special trait. With Williams it is the vertical, downfield separation; Olave it is route running; Burks it is YAC; London it is contested catch ability.
Wilson is a bit of an all arounder without having that one single trait that GMs are going to fall for.
He is a player that it would not shock me if he goes later than the talking heads consensus. If he is the 4th or 5th receiver taken I would not be stunned.
Apparently you don't consider speed a special trait for a WR. He ran faster than everyone you mentioned at the Combine, save for Williams, who is coming off an ACL tear. I didn't mention him anyways as it wouldn't shock me if he were the 1st WR off the board, even with the ACL tear. But there is no way Wilson is the 5th WR taken.
What is The Weakest Position on The Bills Roster That Pick 25 Would Instantly Make the Team Stronger ?
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Ike Boettger was retained. He started 10 games for us last season (7 the year before) and was performing better than Feliciano. He's coming off injury, but is expected to be ready to start the season. Greg Mancz started 4 games last season for Miami. Cody Ford should be given a Camp with a superior OLine coach than he's ever had, given the investment we made in him. Also, David Quessenberry, who was signed to be one of our Swing Tackles, also has the ability to play Guard.
Offensive Line has been addressed HEAVILY this offseason already in signing SIX lineman and vastly upgrading our Coaching. If you want to Draft some more depth or insurance Round 3 or beyond, that's fine. But you don't spend your 1st Round pick on depth or insurance. Not with the holes we have this season.