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2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Haden is 33 and coming off the worst statistical season of his career where he still missed 6 games.
QBs posted a 100+ QB rating going against him and missed tackles were a big issue.
And Kyle Fuller is coming off a year where he was benched for poor performance: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/22/after-high-profile-signing-broncos-have-benched-kyle-fuller/
Everyone that's still out there is out there for a reason. To an extent, I understand having some concern with starting a Rookie who may (or may not) take a little time to get his sea legs under him, if you will.
But I vehemently disagree with the notion of many that signing and starting one of these guys is a necessity and would definitively put us in a much better position than starting a Rookie ever possibly could.
1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:We’re drafting one guys. We would’ve picked up a guy by now. Maybe if we can’t what we want after the draft, but it’s dead waters until after the draft. Just my take.
Exactly this. Logic says that if they viewed starting a veteran at CB as an absolute necessity, we would have attacked it like we attacked other positions in FA. We would not have let the well almost completely dry up and go into the Draft with a hole there.
I believe we will sign a veteran late in the Offseason to provide depth and added help with Tre out for a bit to start the season. But that will be in conjunction with a 1st or 2nd Round Draft Pick. None of these guys available are anything more than a 1 year band aid.
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4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Blockbusters!!😎🤪
Bills Trade with Niners & Giants
Niners get#25
2024 3rd
Isaiah Hodgins
Marquez Stevenson
Bills get
WR/HB Deebo Samuel
Giants get
#572023 2nd + 5th
2022 6th
Zach Moss
AJ Epenesa
Bills get
#36 - select RB Breece Hall
CB James Bradberry restructure/extended
So we're going to pay what we're paying Diggs and then pay Samuel the same if not more? I'm not even going to get into the idea that Hodgins (a guy we released and sat on the PS to be signed at any point) and Stevenson (who will most likely be doing the same this season) would be trade bait. Also pay Tre what we're paying him and sign Bradberry to what he's going to want long term?
HA!!!
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40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't consider 40 times a special trait.
Speed is the one trait that they've been talking about needing all offseason. It's what our WR core is lacking on the top end. He also provides more yards after catch than Olave. I think you're seriously dismissing his traits as a prospect by saying he doesn't provide anything special.
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59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I disagree with this. I think it is more likely than not that Wilson is gone by #25.... but knowing the way a lot of NFL teams look at draft prospects I think the reason a slide for Wilson isn't beyond the realm of possibility is because I think he lacks that single special trait. With Williams it is the vertical, downfield separation; Olave it is route running; Burks it is YAC; London it is contested catch ability.
Wilson is a bit of an all arounder without having that one single trait that GMs are going to fall for.
He is a player that it would not shock me if he goes later than the talking heads consensus. If he is the 4th or 5th receiver taken I would not be stunned.
Apparently you don't consider speed a special trait for a WR. He ran faster than everyone you mentioned at the Combine, save for Williams, who is coming off an ACL tear. I didn't mention him anyways as it wouldn't shock me if he were the 1st WR off the board, even with the ACL tear. But there is no way Wilson is the 5th WR taken.
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2 votes for Christian Watson over Garrett Wilson? I like Christian Watson but c'mon! The guy was a 3rd Round prospect a few months ago and now he has superfans around here that have him as WR1. Absolute insanity.
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2 minutes ago, wppete said:
I mean we got to keep it semi realistic. No way Garrett Wilson falls to #25 🤦♂️
Yeah, Garrett Wilson is more often than not the 1st WR off the board. How 4 WR's went in the 1st Round and he wasn't one of them is baffling. Zero chance Chris Olave AND Treylon Burks go before Wilson.
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31 minutes ago, NewEra said:
It makes sense looking at our holes, but I don’t think we’ll be trading up for one, which would likely cost us another 1st rd pick next year.
maybe you’re right. I don’t like the scenario
Sure, it will cost a 1st if you want Gardner or Stingley. But i'm more or less talking about moving up for Booth or McDuffie, if one is the guy Beane has targeted. About half of all mocks and more than half of the simulations I've done have them both gone a few picks before 25. It wouldn't cost a 1st to move up a handful of picks. I don't see Beane just sitting on his hands and hoping his guy falls to 25.
And if we wait until Round 2 - there is most likely a large dropoff by the time 57 rolls around. We'd be lucky if McCreary were on the board. Elam and Gordon will be long gone.
I personally feel that after watching the Playoffs, they decided they needed more talent than Levi on the other side. If we wait until Round 57 or 89, we could luck out. But with the hole we have and Tre being out, I don't see that as a wise move.
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2 minutes ago, Virgil said:
Because we’ve already established he was the pick with another poll. Why do it again?Because in this mock, he'd be the best available CB. Would you remove all other CB's too? And if not, why select a lesser talent? I just think doing mocks for the sake of drafting someone different each time is odd.
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1 minute ago, Virgil said:
I’m not going to list him in the poll. He was already in the first one.
How many will ask me about it? Over/Under 20? 😋
I don't understand the logic in this. We have to select a different guy in Round 1 each time?
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57 minutes ago, NewEra said:
And that’s ok. It’s an exercise for fun.
I find a flaw in your rational. You’re operating under the assumption that the only position Beane values in rd 1 of this draft is corner. I don’t think that’s the case. We were “in on Gilmore up before he signed a couple days ago. If we signed Gilmore, would we still have been corner only if we had signed him? So now that we didn’t sign gilmore, are there any other free agents that can fill in for Tre until he returns? Joe Haden, Kyle Fuller, Janoris Jenkins, Xavier Rhodes, jason Verrett, Bryce Callahan, AJ Bouye, Kevin King can’t be that guy? All could possibly supplant Dane as cb2 when Tre returns.
I find a flaw in your rational if you think we were truly in on Gilmore. Our "interest" was almost definitely just checking in on if we could get a bargain for him being available this late in FA. If he was truly someone we were interested in at the price range he were asking, we'd have been in on him early and would have been one of his visits.
Any of these other guys you mentioned are band aids. They're either ancient, career journeyman, or guys who have underperformed in recent years. Fuller, for example, was benched last season for poor play.
If the plan were to simply go veteran, they wouldn't have let the market dry up this much. It would have been addressed before now. I think we'll grab a guy later in the Offseason for a bargain. But that's just to provide some extra help with Tre down and depth. With what we're paying Tre, I think we're looking for an upgrade in talent from Levi long term at a cost controlled price. Only way to do that is to Draft a guy.
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39 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:
If Beane moves up to draft a corner he is a rank amateur and an idiot.
No offense meant and as always, jmo.
If he wants one of the top four CB's, better chance that they won't be there at 25 than it is they are. I'm not saying a massive move for a Gardner or Stingley is likely (though I don't think it's a definite no), calling him an "idiot" to make a move up a few picks to guarantee he gets the guy he wants is ridiculous.
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The flaw in this mock is with the Bills pick being a User Vote, the Bills have to stay put at 25 while all these other teams are moving up. I almost expect Beane to do the same as I don't think he's just going to sit there and hope the CB prospect he likes will fall to him at 25.
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When I think of veteran players that could be traded, I think of young talents who were highly touted prospects coming out of college that were drafted on Day 1 or 2 who teams may have liked coming out and may think they can get more out of in their system as opposed to ours. Also these players must be players that won't hurt us terribly to move on from.
That being said, the veteran players that I think are the most likely to be moved would be Zack Moss, Cody Ford, and either A.J. Epenesa or Carlos Basham.
We aren't going to move starters that we feel good about and would have to replace. If you're trading for a premium asset and then creating a hole you didn't have before that will require a premium asset to replace, you aren't gaining much of anything.
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23 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:
If they don't trade Edmunds, do you think he will be a non-participant?
Considering he reported today, the answer is no. So is the idea he will be traded. Not happening.
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14 hours ago, Logic said:
He's no longer in the Inner Circle. But who knows, maybe he is a part of the Brandon Beane Appreciation Society.
6 hours ago, The Wiz said:All I can say is, if a certain person is available in the 2nd round, expect to be disappointed.
I like Breece Hall. But part of me does want to see the boo boo faces if he were on the board and we chose someone else.
15 hours ago, transient said:The Giants have 2 picks in the top 10, and then picks in the top 5 of rounds 2 and 3. If they’re changing their draft board relative to players that they’re worried the Bills will select at the bottom of the rounds then they’ll be looking for a new front office again soon.
No, but their picks at the top of each round after their first two picks are close enough to our picks at the end of the round prior to have an effect.
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2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
Wonder who their Pro Golfer partners would be?
1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said:I thought Brady said Lamar was next though?
He saw how Lamar has looked every year since his MVP year and changed his mind 😛
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We don't need a "Slot Corner". We have a really good Nickel in Taron Johnson that we just paid a Long Term contract to. We need an Outside Corner. Maybe two. Could Daxton Hill do that? Maybe. But he didn't do it in College.
I'm not one of you "we can't start a Rookie at CB" type of fans. If the talent is there, I have no problem starting a Rookie. But a Rookie who is playing a position in the Pro's that he didn't in College? That's a little risky for my blood. But if Beane has faith in him to do it, I would too. Though it would REALLY surprise me.
I suppose we could try him there and if it didn't work out, we could move him to his more natural position of Safety next season when Poyer most likely leaves and try again at CB. Though with the need at CB we have this season, it feels like quite the risk to take a projection.
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1 hour ago, Yantha said:
Just found this on PFF discussing potential post draft cap casualties. If the draft board shaped up to draft OC high, Morse might be a cap casualty. That's a big IF, but I'm not the only one thinking that the INTERIOR O-LINE needs to be addressed.
From PFF:
"BUFFALO BILLS: C MITCH MORSE
Cut cap savings: $8,500,000
Cut dead money: $2,750,000The Bills signed center Morse to a four-year, $44 million contract heading into quarterback Josh Allen’s second season, an important addition to help the young signal-caller make protection calls and oversee a high-octane offense. While Morse has been solid if unspectacular, he agreed to a pay cut prior to the 2021 season and followed that up with his lowest pass-blocking and run-blocking grades so far in Buffalo.
Buffalo has made it clear that protecting Allen is its top priority going forward, but the $8.5 million in potential savings from releasing Morse may help accomplish that goal more than retaining him. "
Considering it makes no mention of his extension from a month ago, that was written before we did:
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/14/mitch-morse-two-year-extension-buffalo-bills/
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3 hours ago, Yantha said:
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. So who are your "hopefuls" in early rounds? And do you have any sleepers beyond round 3 that could fill that role?
I'm almost expecting him to move up to ensure he lands one of the top 4 CB's in this Draft. I don't see him just sitting at 25 and hoping the guy he likes falls to him. Maybe just a few picks, but I gotta be honest, I would not be shocked to see him make a big leap up to grab one of the top two if one starts to slip a little bit. Those being in this order:
Ahmad 'Sauce' Gardner - Cincinnati
Derek Stingley Jr. - LSU
Andrew Booth - Clemson
Trent McDuffie - Washington
Any of those four would start immediately and I have little doubt they'd be any worse than Levi Wallace (each to differing degrees). After that, either at 25, as part of a trade down, or a trade up from 57, he'd have to at least grab one of (personally, in this order, but I'd trust him if he had it ranked differently):
Kaiir Elam - Florida
Kyler Gordon - Washington
Roger McCreary - Auburn
Tariq Woolen - UTSA
Daxton Hill - Michigan could be somewhere near the top of that list as well. He's a Safety, Nickel hybrid, but apparently there's a lot of teams that feel he can play Outside CB. If Beane felt strongly about that, I'd trust him.
In my eyes, we MUST grab one of those top 9 guys by mid Round 2 at the latest. It's not even an option. We have no choice.
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2 minutes ago, Yantha said:
Yeah I agree. It's slim pickings out there for CBs. Nobody's arguing that CB is a high draft need. I just wished Beane landed a quality FA. We only see the outcome. We don't see how many OFFERS were made to land an FA CB. Can't win them all (I'm assuming here though... that there were calls).
But again, if the plan were truly that we must have a veteran in here on the other side and had fear of starting one of the top 4 or 5 CB's in the Draft, we'd have gotten it done with somebody. You can't tell me we did what we did to get Von Miller, addressed all the other positions we did, and that we just couldn't get a deal done with any of the many CB's that were available.
It's obvious the plan was and is to get a long term, quality starter at a cost controlled price tag; knowing we're paying Tre a lot on the other side. Only one way to do that. And his actions (or lack thereof) at CB this offseason confirm it.
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20 minutes ago, Yantha said:
I said in my OP that CB is likely at the top of the list that I posted...... And I didn't say anything about Siran Neal or Dane Jackson being better than Morse. Both are most certainly NOT better than Morse.... I see Taron Johnson as a player with more upside actually. We need to address CB in FA, and pick CB in the top 3 or 4 rounds.
20 minutes ago, Yantha said:With who? Steven Nelson and Stephon Gilmore (not that he was ever a real option) were signed by other teams recently. Those that are left are career journeyman or guys really long in the tooth. They're just a band aid and we'd just be pushing out having to Draft a legitimate starter to another season.
And again, you have to think logically here. If this were the plan, we'd have attacked it in Free Agency. They aren't going to take a starting position and just say "eh, we'll just take whoever's left over after the Draft who will accept our low-ball offer bc they don't have a choice. In the meantime, we'll just let everyone get scooped up and take just anybody who's left".
And Beane is already paying Tre too CB money. So he's not going to turn around and pay top CB money on the other side too. Especially with the players who become FA's next season, when guys like Josh, Von, and Diggs' cap numbers rise significantly.
A 3rd Round Pick and a Journeyman FA doesn't cut it. Especially when you consider Tre might not be available to start the season. We'll sign a guy for depth and to provide some help with Tre out. But it's not someone you rely on to start for this team long term and you're not going to pay them long term.
17 minutes ago, Yantha said:Nobody expects draftees to be immediate starters. Even some first rounders need some time.... You draft for team building, continuity, and adding youth to aging positional groups. If you are lucky enough to find an immediate, starting caliber upgrade, you are doing well, especially on a playoff caliber team like the bills.
You mean like every CB that was drafted in Round 1 last season? They all started by Week 3 at the latest and are entrenched starters now. Or maybe like Tre White? Who we started from Day 1 after drafting him at 27. Guys taken in Round 1 are taken there for a reason. You start them.
And you yourself question whether you start a 1st Round Rookie. So then what sense does it make to start a 3rd Round pick? With Tre out to start the season, even if we sign a Joe Haden type band-aid, in your scenario we're starting Dane Jackson or a 3rd Round pick on the other side.
You don't ignore positions with gaping holes on the 53 to address positions you have to fill in a couple years.
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6 hours ago, Yantha said:
I was disappointed in that signing.
This speaks to something that drives me nuts with fans.
You can personally dislike a player we sign or extend. You can question whether they're the right guy or not. But when the moves are made, you have to take emotion out of it and look at things logically as to what role they were signed for. You don't sign people or extend people and then immediately cut them.
You don't like Mitch Morse? Well, they just gave him an extension. So they aren't going to cut him. They'd have done that instead of extending him if the plan were to replace him this season. And you're not going to pay him what he's being paid to be a backup.
Disappointed in the O.J. Howard signing? Well we only keep two Tight Ends active and the past couple years we've only had two Tight Ends on the 53. Dawson Knox isn't going anywhere this season. And we didn't sign Howard to immediately cut him or make him inactive. He signed for 3.5 million, 3.2 guaranteed. This isn't a Jacob Hollister situation (who signed for 1.1 with 100k guaranteed).
Not a fan of Rodger Saffold or question Ryan Bates ability to be a long term starter? Saffold is a Pro Bowler who signed for 6.2 million with 5.9 guaranteed. He's starting this season.
Bates was signed to be a starter in Chicago to a 17 million dollar contract over 4 seasons, 9 million guaranteed. While being a good contract for a starter, he wouldn't have paid that for a depth guy. And he wouldn't have taken the opportunity to start elsewhere away from him for less of an opportunity here. He's starting this season.
Long story short, you can dislike a move. But that doesn't mean you can just act like it didn't happen and expect Beane to do better, by your standards.
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21 minutes ago, Special K said:
Traded next years first to move up:
12. Sauce Gardner CB Cincinnati
57. Kenneth Walker III RB Michigan St.
89. Nicholas Petit-Frere OT Ohio St.
130. Zyon McCollum CB Sam Houston
168. Cole Turner TE Nevada
I'm really high on this idea and I don't think it's crazy to think a move with the Giants is possible.
The New York Giants have two picks in the top 10. Joe Schoen and Brandon Beane have a close relationship. The Giants will likely want to draft a QB next season and will likely want two picks in Round 1 next season to do it. Schoen was here when we took guys like Cody Ford and A.J. Epenesa with premium picks.
I could easily see them being interested in moving from 7 to 25, picking up our first next season, and being interested in trying to revitalize Ford or Epenesa with a change of scenery.
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Von recruiting Haden?
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by BillsFanForever19
What's plenty? As stated in my post, Haden's coming off his worst statistical year. Fuller's coming off a season where he was benched. Bryce Callahan started just 6 games last season and is more of a Nickel CB than an outside guy.
I don't know how it's possible after watching what was done to our Secondary by the Chiefs that Beane would not only not be looking for someone who could be an upgrade from Levi Wallace, but value the position even less by waiting and taking just whatever journeyman is left over at the end of FA for whatever we have left.
I do believe we will sign one of those guys. But there's no way in my mind that they think that's the definitive answer and they're cool with just that.