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I have to agree with you. That's why Tambla Hali is #1 on my board then. But with Jimmy Williams' character issues and Michael Huff immediately throwing Vincent or Milloy to the fire (which i'm not ready to do), we're looking at a guy like Vernon Davis at TE. Honestly, I think DeAngelo Williams is going to be something spectacular! If we were put in this nightmarish situation, the idea of having Willis McGahee AND DeAngelo Williams in the same backfield would be too good to pass on. Especially with Fairchild's history of using both Steve Jackson and Marshall Faulk and Willis' history of not playing every down. So will I. But use your head. Who are we going to draft? Winston Justice? Eric Winston? Marcus McNeill? Brodrick Bunkley? Almost all of those guys is going to go at around 20. I'd rather have someone whose worth taking at another position and address the line's in 2 & 3 and then HEAVILY in FA.

In a post elsewhere, i've been talking about a scenario that's been a nightmare in the back of my mind. It may have been discussed before as well. This nightmare if you will, is not so far fetched. It's a definite possibility and it plays out like this: 1.) Houston - Reggie Bush 2.) New Orleans - Matt Leinart 3.) Tennessee - Vince Young 4.) New York - D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5.) Green Bay - A.J. Hawk 6.) San Francisco - Mario Williams 7.) Oakland - Haloti Ngata So now what? Obviously, try and trade down. The crop that's around now as far as DT and OT go are nowhere's NEAR worth picking at #8. But what if we can't trade down? Then we're stuck at 8 looking outside the box. Here's how my board would stand: 1.) Tambla Hali, DE Penn State 2.) DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis 3.) Vernon Davis, TE Maryland 4.) Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech 5.) Michael Huff, S Texas 6.) Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State 7.) Lendale White, RB USC 8.) Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College 9.) Chad Greenway, LB Iowa 10.) Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt Another RB? DeAngelo Williams might be too good to pass on. Especially if they feel WM needs another guy with him.

No way does New York take Mario Williams over D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

No way do we draft Winston at 8. He's projected late-1st, maybe early 2nd. I don't even think he's the THIRD best OT. I'd have to put Winston Justice, Marcus McNeill, and maybe even Jonathan Scott ahead of him. Not with the way I saw him play in BC's bowl game and the way he's been being "pwned" at Senior Bowl practices. Kambla Hali would be the next best DE. And with the way Manny Lawson has been beasting it, he might jump ahead of Mathias as well.

I agree. But my nightmare scenario is the following draft, with no trade down partner: 1.) Houston - Reggie Bush, RB USC 2.) New Orleans - Matt Leinart, QB USC 3.) Tennessee - Vince Young, QB Texas 4.) New York Jets - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia 5.) Green Bay - A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio State 6.) San Francisco - Mario Williams, DE N.C. State 7.) Oakland - Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon If Williams, Ngata, and Ferguson are off the board; there isn't another DT or OT worth taking at #8. Some could argue Tambla Hali may be worth #8, but I think that would be a tad of a stretch (anyone else would be a MAJOR stretch). If there's no market for a trade, what would we do?

After watching some practices, I agree completely about Kiwanuka. Although, I disgree about White. I've also edited my board accordingly.

I think you might have read the post wrong. He's stating that maybe the Jets will pass on D'Brickashaw Ferguson for Jay Cutler. Thus allowing the Brick to fall to us.

Watson's been having a GREAT Senior Bowl though.

You know what's amazing? We're disagreeing about something and acting civil about it. Seriously though, I think Davis is better than Mercedes. I've always felt he was a little overhyped myself. I like Cromartie a lot. But I don't think he's top-15. Not after his injury and all. I think Greenway is a good LB. Probably in the 15-20 range. But personally, i'm not a big fan. And I understand a lot of people aren't high on Young for whatever reason. But to drop him below Cromartie, Ryans, and Davis is just plain crazy talk.

While I think "in a heartbeat" is pushing it, I also think that calling this proposal "the dumbest idea" ever is uncalled for as well. What do you think J.P. Losman would get us? If we were looking to deal him, the best we would get is a 2nd. Tell me ONE team that would even think about giving us a first. That being said, Ryan Fitzpatrick and a 3rd sounds pretty fair. I wouldn't do it personally. But if Marv and Ralph really hate J.P. and don't want him, then it would make sense. Especially with Fairchild's history with him. P.S. Ryan Fitzpatrick WAS drafted.

I thought this would be a fun little game. Create the first 15 prospects of the Bills draft board if you were GM. Mind you, this is a value board, not a NEED board. Just because someone is #1 on the board doesn't mean you have to select him. Here's mine: 1.) Reggie Bush, RB USC 2.) Vince Young, QB Texas 3.) D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia 4.) Matt Leinart, QB USC 5.) Mario Williams, DE N.C. State 6.) A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio State 7.) Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon 8.) Tambla Hali, DE Penn State 9.) Michael Huff, S Texas 10.) Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech 11.) DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis 12.) Vernon Davis, TE Maryland 13.) Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State 14.) Lendale White, RB USC 15.) Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt You'll notice that with the exception of Ngata, Williams, and Kiwinuka; there are no D-Lineman and with the exception of Ferguson; no O-Lineman. That's because there isn't anyone else worth being in the top-15 (I actually have Tambla Hali at 16 however). After Ngata, the next best DT's are Brodrick Bunkley, Claude Wroten, and Gabe Watson. They won't be selected until the middle-1st at best. Same goes for Winston Justice, Marcus McNeill, and Eric Winston on OT. So if neither Ngata, Ferguson, or Williams are there; then we should trade down. If we can't, then we may have to look outside the OL/DL box in the 1st round. Otherwise, we'll be reaching (even though Kiwinuka is 8th on my board, I think picking him 8th would be a little bit of a reach). I believe we'll address both lines HEAVILY in FA, so it won't be the end of the world if we wait until the 2nd (although it's not preferred). How about you guys? EDIT: After catching some Senior Bowl practices, I have to agree that Hali is better than Kiwinuka. Therefore, i've switched their spots (Hali was 16 and unlisted).

Uh.... he's a Junior dude.

Seriously though, with April (who was a GODSEND), our new DL coach, and now Fairchild; how long before we start calling ourselves "The Greatest Show on Turf"? Honestly though, I like the hire of Steve Fairchild. Here are my likes/dislikes: Dislikes: -The initial sinking feeling I got when I heard our new OC was GW's RB coach. -The fact that Martz called the plays in St. Louis for Fairchild's entire tenure, save the 11 games he was out last season. Likes: -It's not Clements or Gilbride -He turned an unknown 6th round QB send-off from New Orleans into a Pro-Bowler in his 1st year. -He was both a QB coach and a RB coach, so he SHOULD understand the importance that balance between both positions hold. -Although he was GW's assistant as a RB coach, he does understand the Bills organization, it's fans, and it's surroundings. Lastly, with only two DC positions available; I find absolutely no reason why we shouldn't get either Jim Bates or Donnie Henderson. If anyone else is hired, i'm going to be pissed...... unless of course it's some off the radar stud.

Again, let me state that this is not what i'd like to see. But if Ngata, Ferguson, and Williams are off the board and we can't find a partner to trade down with; I see it happening. Hell, I see it happening even if we do have people to trade down with. I think Ralph is sick to his stomach with the thought of J.P. Losman. He was TD/MM's baby. I just have a gut feeling with the way Ralph, Marv, and Jauron have been talking that J.P.'s days in Buffalo may be numbered. I think Ralph might want his own QB and Cutler might be that guy. I can see them pulling some **** like that.

I agree 100% But that's not what i'm getting at. I have a hunch that Ralph doesn't like J.P. I think that's part of the reason Sherman's not here. I could definitely see them pulling something like this. I'm simply trying to gauge what the response and/or the shock would be in this move.

As we approach the draft, i'm noticing more and more that Jay Cutler is becoming the "darling" of the draft ala Philip Rivers in 2004. Most project him going to Miami with the 17th pick right now. I expect that after the Senior Bowl, his stock will rise even more than it has already. Bringing him to around our position. Now i'm not saying that we should draft Jay Cutler. Certainly not. But what if Williams, Ngata, Hawk, and Ferguson are all gone? What if this team has already given up on J.P. Losman and they select him. What would the reaction be? Just a curiousity post.....

No, I haven't heard that one. But Ramsey is Losman except 2 years younger. They even came from the same school. I'd have to pass on that.

That came quicker than I thought it would

I think asking for Hutchinson AND Bentley might be pushing it a little. I for one hope that we get Bentley and then get Max-Jean Gilles either as part of a trade-down from our 8th or a trade-up from our 2nd rounder. If not and the Brick falls to us, you have to take him. Either way, i'm looking at this: Mike Gandy Max-Jean Gilles LeCharles Bentley Chris Villarial or Mike Williams (GASP!) Jason Peters OR D'Brickashaw Ferguson Mike Gandy ('played LG at Chicago before coming to Buffalo) LeCharles Bentley Chris Villarial or Mike Williams Jason Peters

What is up with this place? More and more i've been noticing that members of this board are just ridiculously mean to other members. Just because someone has an opinion you don't agree with or might be living in a "fantasy world" doesn't mean that you have to be a jerk to them. This board is far and away the worst Bills board i've seen when it comes to e-Bullying. That's unfortunate as it's one of the bigger Bills sites and fans of other teams often stop by here to see what we're or this team is like. I understand as fans we are bitter when it comes to this team and the product. But there's absolutely no reason for some of the attitudes of this board. I'm sure even this post will merit some jackass having to shoot off at the mouth at me. I'm not trying to sound like a hippy or anything, I just think some people need to chill a little. You can agree to disagree without having to fight. This board is supposed to be fun and sometimes it's just degrading. Let's all make an effort to be a little more understanding.

GREAT! So Chris Villarial will be back huh?

With any luck Jauron will resign after this conference

I'm about to throw up!

I'm worried that Jauron is going to come in here and think that because Chris Villarial was good under him in Chicago, that he has to stay. Or that Mike Gandy is a lock at LT for the same reason. I thought Gandy wasn't bad, but he wasn't great either. I'd like to see an upgrade at that position. And are we going to see a million passes to Daimon Shelton again? After all, he's another Jauron boy. It would make me sick if Dick Jauron thinks that he can make some of these guys work again! Then I started thinking about J.P. Losman. Dick Jauron has spent the past two seasons in Detroit. He's watched as Joey Harrington destroyed Steve Mariucci and the team. They stuck with him for what they realized was too long. Do you think that Jauron is worried about the same thing happening to him with J.P.? It was reported that one of the sticking points with Sherman and Marv was Losman. If it was a sticking point, you have to assume that Sherman wanted him to start with his well documented love affair with him. This leads me to believe that the other party (Marv) must've not been to keen on that. In the end, Sherman wasn't hired. I wish I knew which direction this team was headed

I am pissed that it's not Mike Sherman. But there is a few different ways of looking at it: 1.) It's not Mike Mularkey! : We all wanted a new HC and anyone is better than having the Steelers connection around. 2.) We have the potential of having coordinators with HC experience : With Sherman, we probably would have gotten Bates and someone else he brought from Green Bay. But with Jauron, we may grab Capers or Hasslett on the D side. 3.) Dick Jauron has HC experience 4.) He won HC of the Year in 2001 5.) NO MORE GADGET PLAYS! : I was going to shoot someone if I saw Roscoe Parrish or Eric Moulds line up under center ever again. Jauron seems to be well respected around the league and brings a normal, old school approach to Buffalo. Marv is comfortable with him and I guess that helps (?). Again, I wish it was Sherman; but it could be a lot worse. Let's give the guy a shot and I look forward to knowing who our new coordinators are. No use crying over spilled milk.