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It's all the rage amongst fans for them to cut Mario Addison and Taiwan Jones and I guarantee neither is going to happen.
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I think even keeping 6 is pushing it. There's no way they're keeping 7. I've never seen them team keep more than 5 and most of my life it's only been 4. I think it's very likely we only keep Hughes, Adisson, Rougeau, Epenesa, and Basham.
I know everyone fell in love with the story, size and potential of Obada. But I could easily see a scenario where he was signed as a cover your @$$ by Beane in the event that the Draft didn't fall right for us at DE. Then not only did it fall right for us, but he was able to land not one, but two of his top guys.
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17 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:
We saw almost nothing of Hodgins, and even less of Kumerow. Personally, going into this game, I would certainly put Stevenson ahead of Hodgins (if only for his speed), but what happened last night that put Stevenson in the lead? It's pretty hard to read too much into preseason plays made in the fourth quarter.
Hodgins did nothing and injured his knee. Kumerow did nothing. Stevenson made a big play to win the game for us and flashed his speed and shiftiness in returns. Like I said, it's only one Preseason game, but compared to the other two who did literally nothing - Stevenson showed some stuff.
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I've been saying all offseason that the hype for Kumerow and Hodgins and everyone writing off Stevenson to the Practice Squad was misguided - given his speed and return ability. Only one Preseason game, but it rang true last night.
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2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Man, you related to him or what? Why is this such a hot button for you? You obviously didn’t read my other comments in the thread. I said MULTIPLE times he very well could make the roster.I simply disagree he is a lock this year and that’s it, you’re grossly over exaggerating my stance to try and validate your lock status argument.
I mean don’t you think you are over reacting to what was clearly labeled a first attempt prior to preseason to predict a roster? You’re somehow taking a first draft guess of a 53 man roster, prior to preseason mind you, as some sort of proclamation or guarantee which is mind blowing because nothing I have said in this thread is remotely close to indicating that about anyone I listed as making it or that I left off. Hell I even made an edit like a day later after more info came out about Knox from McD that was endorsement and said the follow up comments from people swayed me to think it will be 10 at DT too.
And for a guy being so untouchable for McD and Beane, they didn’t keep him during his first stint here when this roster was easier to make.
Apparently, you're not reading my posts. As stated in my previous post, they have never cut him or even let him go without a contract offer. They made an offer to him after his one year deal in 2018 during the 2019 FA process. Houston offered more money and more opportunities as a RB in a less crowded backfield. So he chose to go there instead for a season.
And this goes to the crux of our back and forth. You make points to argue against what I say and I simply reply back with why I don't agree with the assessment or in this case, point out the parts that are simply incorrect. That's... kinda how message boards work?
This last post is a prime example of what I've been saying. You spend most of the post taking a stance of me "overreacting" and spend time defending yourself that you never said Taiwan couldn't make the team. Yet you couldn't help but end the post with a (incorrect) negative on him.
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5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Please show me where I “wrote him off the roster”. I don’t know what you are reading dude, I said multiple times, even before you chimed in, he very well could make the roster.
And hate to break it to you, but Taiwan, as the “best gunner in football”, has been cut multiple times in his career, including by Beane and McD in 2019 when this roster was a lot easier to make.
You literally wrote him off the roster by having him as a cut. And while I point out that was extremely unlikely in the first place and that tonight points to it being even more unlikely than that - you maintain that it means nothing.
Hell, even when Antonio Williams was dinged up - they still opted to keep him on the bench and then put Williams back in later when he was cleared. If he were a fringe player on the roster or even in a battle to keep his job, they wouldn't have done that.
You can hedge your bet by saying "he might still make it". But you don't seem to want to hear the logic pointing to that already being the case and continue to point to reasons why he could/should be cut. I don't know any other way of reading it than you're personally writing him off the roster.
And I hate to break it to you, but McDermott never cut him. He's also not been cut multiple times in his career. He was cut once in 2017 after 6 seasons with the Raiders, most likely for cap reasons while being on the final year of a 3 year contract extension there.
He was a Free Agent after the 2018 season with us and chose Houston in FA because they offered him more. And after a year of subpar Special Teams, McDermott and Beane realized their mistake and brought him back for last year and this year.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I humbly disagree that him sitting guarantees him a roster spot. I fully understand the value of STs, I am not saying it’s impossible for Taiwan to make the team, I’m saying I disagree it’s a foregone conclusion as you suggest. Just my 2 centsI don't know how you can say "you fully understand the value of STs" and then write a guy off the roster who was called "the best gunner in the NFL" by McDermott in Camp, then disregard what it says that we're not risking him getting hurt when we're already down a number of RB's by saying (that as opposed to literally every other player we're doing that for) we're just doing it because "they know what he is".
I'm not saying that just his sitting makes him a lock. I'm saying he was already a lock and them not risking him getting injured tonight says all you need to know.
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7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Taiwan I also said could make the roster, but sorry, him being a healthy scratch is not an indication of him being a lock. He offers literally nothing they consider of value offensively considering he never sniffs the field, even when short handed. They already know with certainly exactly what he brings to the table, which is 100% ST value. They have had him here multiple seasons, he does not need as much evaluation.
So, just because he is sitting doesn't mean he is locked in, it could be to give some looks to others to see what they can bring to fill his ST role. And if someone else impresses at ST that they also value at another position (like say Kumerow), then Taiwan could end up cut.
Its the first preseason game, they are going to take longer looks at lesser known players as much as they are going to sit key players. Taiwan is not a key player no matter how good he is on ST. He is just a specialist who offers very little beyond that. And if no one shows potential to fill his ST role, his odds of making the roster certainly increase. But this roster isn't going to be easy to make this year, good players won't be on the final roster.
If you look at the healthy guys who aren't playing, they're all locks. So you're suggesting Taiwan Jones and only Taiwan Jones is sitting bc they know what he is? With Zach Moss and Christian Wade hurt so we're already short staffed tonight at RB and need bodies? C'mon 🙄
That's not why he's sitting tonight. He's sitting because he's an important piece to our squad like the others who are sitting. You look at Special Teams and say you want someone who does more than just that. But that's not how McBeane looks at it. They realize and have talked about the importance of having a solid core as when you just rely on offensive and defensive contributors, you get burned.
Yes, Taiwan Jones doesn't offer much outside of Special Teams. But that doesn't matter. Because Special Teams is one of the three phases of the game and he's our most important player in that role. I think you're seriously disrespecting that side of the ball by saying it's not enough that he's only a good Special Teams player.
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On 8/11/2021 at 4:49 PM, Alphadawg7 said:
Its certainly possible, but like I said in another reply, I just don't who we cut/trade to keep him. For right now, I just don't know where to fit him in. Again though, this roster is prior to preseason play, so maybe once the games get going some cut worthy players will reveal themselves and make it easier to find spots for guys like Taiwan, Daryl, Hodgins, and Sweeney.
Don't know where? You're keeping ELEVEN D-Lineman. It's going to be 10 at the absolute most. You're keeping 10 DB's also. How do you justify Cam Lewis? We have the same exact DB's we had last season, minus Josh Norman and Dean Marlowe replaced by Dane Jackson and Damar Hamlin (also Siran Neal is a CB, not a Safety).
They aren't going to keep an extra DB or DL who won't dress unless someone gets hurt over their Special Teams captain who will play every game. Taiwan Jones was chosen as a healthy scratch tonight. He's not going anywhere. Even if it came down to the RB position, Jones will make it over Breida or whomever they decided was the RB3 Yeldon role.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
Taiwan Jones is one of the players out there stretching. Does that make him a roster lock?
Yes, he is. He's our top Special Teams player and was re-signed as such in the offseason. Fans on this board love to write him and Mario Addison off the roster. But neither are going anywhere. Both being healthy scratches speaks to the disparity between a lot of fans feelings towards them vs. McBeane's.
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11 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:
I get it....I was just curious if you knew of any wrestlers that made it in the NFL since you stated wrestling translates well to NFL. Just thought that if it translated so well like that, then who are the ones that did. You'd think there would be a few if it did translate that well.
https://nwhof.org/news/top-10-wrestlers-who-played-in-nfl
McDermott being a former wrestler seems to really like guys who used to wrestle. Harrison Phillips for example.
https://www.stack.com/a/harrison-phillips-wrestling/
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1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:
Brock Lesnar didn't translate too well. Who did? Not being smartass or anything, honestly don't know
Lesnar was 27 and had already spent years in the WWE on top of his collegiate wrestling career. He was offered a spot in NFL Europa but passed to go to the UFC. Stevenson is 21 years old and has less wear and tear.
Look, I'm not saying Stevenson can come in and immediately make a contribution. But he'd be an intriguing developmental prospect, if he were so inclined to move to football.
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1 hour ago, Gugny said:
Give me a f...king break. It's friggin' wrestling.
Yeah, "friggin' wrestling", only one of the most athletic sports in the world that translates well to a lot of other sports 🙄34 minutes ago, Gugny said:-
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Taiwan Jones and Daryl Johnson being released? That's really an assault to our Special Teams. It's all the rage for fans to release Taiwan because he doesn't offer much beyond Special Teams. But they knew that when they re-signed him. They talk him up as "maybe the best gunner in the NFL". I guarantee you, he will be on this roster. Whether fans like it or not.
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This is not at all shocking to me. Bills fans have been trying to replace him from Day One. The Bills themselves have made him earn the #2 CB spot each and every training camp and preseason. And year in and year out, he goes out and does it. Is he a Superstar in this league? No. But he's a solid player, a solid #2, and I think it's time a lot of fans put some respect on his name.
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5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
With their contracts and age, can't see a trade happening unless the Bills throw in a draft pick or something of value to get a team to take on these contracts. That just rarely happens in the NFL.
Beane has never done it prior, but has there been a need? What players in the past three years took a pay cut and got guaranteed money but was also in the position where there was serious discussion of whether he should be cut. Prior to last year the cupboard was pretty bare so hard to believe there were many vets in danger of being cut to start with. If there were, I don't recall the names.
See: Kroft, Tyler
And who is having serious discussions that either should be cut, outside of a vocal minority in the fan base? Beane and McDermott continue to speak very highly of Addison.
If either were to be cut, given their stature with the team, it would have happened a few months back to save the cap space and replace them instead of holding on to them with restructures.
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I'd lock down Diggs as soon as he wants a new deal. That said, Edmunds is most likely the next one to get done.
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11 hours ago, H2o said:
If Addison and Butler aren't viewed as better than the other guys then they will be traded or released outright. Beane has shown that he is not afraid to do that in his time here. It's part of the business and his business is about fielding the best team that gives us a chance to win.
This may be how you believe a franchise should be run. But saying that Beane has proven he's not afraid to cut a player outright that he's asked to take a pay cut to stay is flat out false. He's cut guys like McCoy, sure. But that's because he wouldn't take a paycut or wasn't asked to.
As I've stated in my earlier posts in this thread, he's never done it. Not even fringe players like Kroft who we barely dressed. Even DiMarco was kept on the payroll on IR and wasn't released without an agreed upon settlement before his retirement.
Is it possible? Yes. But again, it would be the very first time he's done it and I think there's a reason he hasn't. It's a bad look to the locker room to tell a player if he wants to stay he has to take a paycut and then cut them anyways before the start of the season, when it's difficult to latch on to a new team and be productive.
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16 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:
Dimarco? He was a bit dinged up but not sure if it counts. Also he was on the leadership council.
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He was placed on Injured Reserve. Was only released on a mutually agreed upon settlement deal and he later retired. That's not the same thing. I'd even argue this further proves my point because they were willing to keep him on the payroll even though he was shot and only released him after they paid him. And it was only because the guy was toast. Which is not the case with Addison and Butler.
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I think the bigger thing with these two is that they both were approached by Beane and told that if they'd like to stay, they'd have to take a pay cut. Both agreed to it. Beane has never told a player that they can stay if they take a pay cut and released them. Not even Tyler Kroft who barely dressed last season.
For a regime that places a large emphasis on the team believing in the process and having high morale in the locker room - I believe that sticking to their word is important to this end. I think it would send a negative message for them to make players take pay cuts to stay and then say "thanks for doing that, but we're releasing you anyways and doing so after training camp where it will be difficult to find a gig and you'll be playing catch up all year".
Long story short, while it is possible for them to do it - it would be the first time.
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I wonder how many other playoff teams have 4 topics on the first page and a half dedicated to a fringe player.
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Maybe they are trying him out at Tight End after all.
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Kawann Short is still available. Given his familiarity with Lotulelei, Butler, and McDermott - I wouldn't be shocked if we were one of the teams reportedly in on him.
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28 minutes ago, foreboding said:
Didn't we just resign McKenzie?
Yes. And although as I stated, I don't see it as likely - McKenzie is not the stone cold locks that Diggs, Beasley, Davis, and Sanders are. He's essentially on a 1 year league minimum deal. So it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that 2/3 of Stevenson, Hodgins, and Kumerow are so undeniable that they cut McKenzie loose. Especially if Stevenson outright wins the KR job.
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