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1 minute ago, UConn James said:
I would just say that 33-year-old career STer Taiwan Jones clears waivers and doesn’t have any takers.There are several guys who would not. This is a no-brainer.
If we still want him, he can go to the squad.
He doesn't go through waivers. He immediately becomes a FA eligible to sign with whomever he chooses. That's what makes him a candidate for a *wink wink nod nod* release and return.
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4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:
It’s not when we barely punt the ball and we will probably punt less this year than last. Haack also has better hangtime and can get a fair amount of fair catch rates.
If the team agreed with that logic, they'd have never signed Taiwan Jones to a new contract in Free Agency AFTER they signed Matt Haack.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
You already said it’s not fair to talk about one catch for Kumerow given his short stint on the roster. And his tiny time on the team, he arguably contributed more to our record than Taiwan did over a whole season because Taiwan didn’t do anything last season another gunner couldn’t do. But Taiwan won’t ever make a play on offense.
Your argument here is weak because you and I both know that Kumerow is fully capable to fill in for Taiwan as gunner (or others) with similar production there, while we also know Taiwan isn’t ever going to produce any offensive points, or even yards, during the season.
If he does get released, hold off on your celebratory party because he's one of the vet candidates that can be released and not subject to waivers to put someone else on the 53 and then immediately to IR so they can be brought back if need be (as Joe B has predicted).
And we all know Kumerow can do the job at the same level? What evidence do we have of this? I believe both Kumerow and Taiwan will be here. But it's ridiculous to cut someone who is going to play every game multiple snaps for extra guys at positions that will be inactive every week unless there's an injury.
You have your opinion and that's fine. But that opinion doesn't match the words and actions of McDermott. You say he's overrated as a gunner and replaceable. McDermott says he's the best gunner in the league. That's a big part of the reason why you've heard so many people say it. So when you argue he's not, you're arguing against McDermott's own words. And he's the decision maker. So to me, that's a futile hill to stand on.
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3 hours ago, NewEra said:
For sure. I don’t think this kid has any business stepping on the field during the 2021 season. He’s a waste of a roster spot this year. IR him with a phantom injury
It's really not that simple. You can't just say they're injured and stick them on IR no questions asked. There's a misconception that we did that with Vosean Joseph and Isaiah Hodgins. Both underwent surgeries:
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/10/bills-lb-vosean-joseph-undergoes-surgery/
I believe for us to that with Doyle, he'd need an injury that they at least think will require surgery in the near future.
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4 hours ago, cage said:
This doesn't make any sense. Shouldn't he be put on Commish exempt list? They can't play him, they can't really trade him and realize value. While I'm glad he's not suiting up in the AFC East, it seems to be unfair leave his situation hanging like this...
I get the feeling that this is more Deshaun's choice than Houston's. He's refusing to play for them and they're letting it be known that they'll just let him rot until he blinks or someone meets their price. I doubt they're voluntarily sitting him.
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
My thing on Taiwan is that I just feel that if they keep Brieda it will because they have plans for him in the offense, not as an emergency RB. I cant imagine them having 5 RB's active on gameday between Devin, Moss, Brieda, Gilliam and Taiwan. And given I think Devin, Moss, and Gilliam are locks to remain, that leaves one active roster spot left, and I just think its gonna be Brieda. We have a lot of really good ST players still on this team too, so I just don't see him as a guy we cant afford to lose over another guy who will contribute more overall.
I really don't see them taking carries away from Singletary and Moss for Breida. If that were the plan, they'd have signed a more established back. Not a career journeyman a week before the Draft for league minimum. He's their new TJ Yeldon. He'll be inactive on game days and only play if there's an injury to one of the other two or one of them proves ineffective and they feel they need a spark later in the season.
McDermott isn't the type for a 3 headed monster. Seems to me he feels that messes up the rhythm of the runners. He always runs with 3 RB's active on GameDay with an emergency back not dressed. It's always 2 Runners, 1 ST'er on GameDay:
2018 - McCoy, Ivory, T. Jones (ST), Ford Inactive
2019 - Singletary, Gore, S. Perry (ST), Yeldon Inactive
2020 - Singletary, Moss, T. Jones (ST), Yeldon Inactive
2021 - Singletary, Moss, T. Jones (ST), Breida Inactive
With key contributors like Daryl Johnson, Dean Marlowe, and Andre Roberts gone from the Special Teams - there is absolutely no way they're going to volunteer losing their ace on top of it. That's just relying on too many changes and camp projections for that side of the ball. And their actions with Jones this offseason points to that.
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33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I didn’t even mention Taiwan in that post clearly wrote the final roster prior to this trade lolCorrect - but Daryl Johnson was one of the key pieces of our Special Teams core. It was his biggest role on this team. In an earlier post you even used keeping Daryl Johnson as a reason why they could afford to cut Taiwan agreeing that it's unlikely that they cut both pieces on that side of the ball. Now Johnson's out the door and with the extra spot on your roster - you still give it to someone else.
In your defense, I do see your roster being almost perfect otherwise. And I do lean towards Obada staying now as well. The difference in your projection vs. mine is that in keeping 6 DE's (of which 3 have the ability to shift inside on occasion), I don't see them also keeping 5 DT's. Either Zimmer or Phillips will be released. And with Phillips being injured, he'll probably be put on the IR anyways.
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54 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Welp...the DE trade happened, but instead of doing the trade to keep Daryl Johnson, it was a straight trade of Daryl Johnson.
So now, I think the remaining 6 DE's are safe for the final roster, which is good because I would prefer to keep Obada (the guy I thought might get traded given he was still at the back of the depth chart with DJ).
So on top of all the other factors pointing to Taiwan Jones being safe - we just traded one of our core Special Teamers away (after already losing Dean Marlowe, one of our core pieces in FA). Yet you still have him being released.
You once asked me if I was related to him. Now I ask you - did he kick your dog or something? Or are you just of the mind that Special Teams really doesn't matter and you can just put anyone with legs back there?
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1 hour ago, poblano said:
But the report is that Johnson has struggled in those duties.
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And Obada doesn't play Special Teams. Which is the only reason I had them keeping Johnson and 6 DE's instead of 4 or 5. He may very well stay on. But I wouldn't look at Daryl Johnson being traded as a guarantee Obada makes it. I could very easily see them just keeping Hughes, Addison, Rousseau, Epenesa, and Basham.
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29 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:
Obada plays multiple positions on the line. Might as well keep him for the versatility
Rousseau and Basham also slid inside quite a bit in College, so that alone doesn't make him so unique we have to keep him.
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I've been saying all offseason that Marquez Stevenson's speed and return ability trumps Hodgins' size and red zone ability for what this WR core needs. With things being the way they are with a good portion of our WR core, I think it's necessary we keep 7 on the 53 and at least a couple more on the Practice Squad. I have no doubt that with the way he's flashed and being our 5th Draft Pick just a few months ago, Marquez Stevenson will be on the 53 opening day.
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1 hour ago, maddenboy said:
2) Maybe, just maybe, Taiwan has very real trade value. Maybe the wizard brought in Kumerow precisely to unlock Taiwan's trade value in case of roster cutting emergency.
Not sure how that logic works when Kumerow was signed to a futures deal on January 26th and Taiwan Jones was re-signed as a Free Agent on March 29th...
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I agree with pretty much everything. Except Harrison Phillips will be IR'ed or straight up released and that spot on the 53 will go to Taiwan Jones. I don't see them carrying 11 Defensive Lineman. The number is usually somewhere between 8-9, 10 tops. With the logjam at Defensive End and us keeping six guys there in lieu of the normal 4-5 (of which some play inside as well), I always saw it coming down to either Zimmer or Phillips being released. And Phillips injuring his knee again settled that. I agree that Efe Obada will be traded, especially if Beane is saying teams are calling at that position.
We've had this argument before. And again - I'm not saying it's the only reason. But the fact that they didn't play Taiwan Jones AT ALL during the preseason is the biggest indication of his importance to the team in their eyes. It makes zero sense to sign him this offseason for Special Teams, knowing they're already losing a key contributor to their Special Teams core in Dean Marlowe, not playing him even for a single snap, and then just cutting him. If he were on the bubble, he'd have been out there.
Other than that - I'm with you. Though it wouldn't shock me if Joe Giles-Harris beat out Tyrell Dodson. He's reportedly had a very good camp and played well in the Preseason. Also wouldn't be surprised to see Josh Thomas make it in lieu of Jaquan Johnson.
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6 minutes ago, Georgie said:
Hollister? No way they go with only Knox and Gilliam at TE. 8 QR seems excessive
. And 12 DL? This is nuts
See my post directly above yours.
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5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:
- agree with RB. I know Jones is a great ST player but you have to make sacrifices sometimes and he probably will be out there on the street if we really need him back later this season.
- No way we are cutting Hollister and it has nothing to do with being JA's former college teamate, IMO right now he's a better TE than Knox based on his previous resume.
If you read on in Joe's article - you would see:
Re-sign RB Taiwan Jones and TE Jake Hollister:
Now to the roster madness. This is a move Beane loves using at final cuts. He identifies vested veterans — players with over four accrued years of NFLservice or more — near the middle to bottom of the roster, on the final year of their contracts and without a ton of guaranteed money owed. Vested veterans do not need to pass through waivers and may immediately sign wherever they choose. Beane releases them initially, gives them some money for their trouble and re-signs them to give his team flexibility. In this case, it’s with the injuries to McKenzie and Phillips. That small move with Jones and Hollister would keep McKenzie and Phillips available to return off IR this year while keeping on two other younger players they otherwise would have had to cut. Jones has $700,000 guaranteed this year, and Hollister only has $137,500 guaranteed, according to OverTheCap.com. Upon their re-signing, it’s fair to expect their new contracts would be close to fully guaranteed for the season with a nice little signing bonus.
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On 8/22/2021 at 10:22 AM, Bangarang said:
Can we pump the brakes with this kid? He was just a free agent and nobody wanted him.
Think there's a difference between "nobody wanted him" and "their wasn't an offer from someone to be their starting QB prior to the Draft". I'm sure he had other offers to be a backup and we were the best team, so he went with us. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that if someone either has a banged up QB (like Indy) or there's a team that isn't thrilled with their room post-draft that someone would call.
That said, seeing how he looked under Daboll in the last Pre-Season game, knowing were a contender right now, and getting a look at Jake Fromm - I wouldn't trade him for what would realistically be offered.
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4 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:
This is a point a lot of people are overlooking. Even though we didn't punt much last year and weren't necessarily terrible with Cory Bojo, this team still felt the need to move on from him and bring in a new punter.
And they did this likely so they don't have to worry about keeping so many ST focused players on a deep roster. So this is why I think a lot of these guys who some fans are touting as locks because of ST ability might not necessarily be the case this year (i.e. Taiwan Jones, Daryl Johnson, etc).
If that were their logic, they wouldn't have signed Taiwan Jones 11 days after they signed Matt Haack...
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On 8/18/2021 at 1:32 AM, JoPoy88 said:
great stuff Alpha I like this one a lot. I do think they keep Taiwan guy seems untouchable given his ST skills.Taiwan is someone Beane and McDermott value WAY more than some of the fans on the board. They've talked about the importance of having a core of Special Teams Specialists. Taiwan being their #1 guy in that core. But a vocal part of this board just isn't hearing it. You can't just be a very good Special Teams player on this board. Even if it means you're active every single game - they'd rather keep a 6th Defensive End or a 7th WR who will never see the field unless there's an injury instead. It's absolutely baffling. They'll probably protect him again this weekend with the rest of their untouchable players and people still will reach for reasons why he won't be here.
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33 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:
I see the questions are do they keep Zimmer or Harry on the inside and Johnson on the outside. There is no upside on cutting Addison or Hughes. They don’t save that much money and will probably just exit quietly next year.
Im paying attention to what happens to the above three. We’re almost assuredly keeping 10 total just like from a positionless POV we’ll keep 9 D Backs, and 6 LB’s. Some have to be ST guys.
It makes sense as that leaves 3 specialists and 25 on offense.
I see the 53 for the D-Line as Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, AJ Epenesa, Greg Rousseau, and Carlos Basham at Defensive End and Ed Oliver, Star Lotulelei, Vernon Butler, and Justin Zimmer at Defensive Tackle. Possible that Harrison Phillips edges out Zimmer. But I see both Obada and Bam gone regardless. Of course, any injuries could change things.
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6 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:
May be a tough decision with DE. I think at least 1 is released. Obada has looked good in TC at times but has he shown enough to stay?
Although Obada is a fan favorite because of his size, story, and potential - I don't think he's staying for a number of reasons.
1.) I believe his signing just before the Draft was more of a cover your butt type signing in the event that the board didn't fall in our favor at the position. Not only did it fall in our favor - but they landed TWO in the first two rounds.
2.) As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, if they thought as highly of him as members of this board do - he wouldn't have been on the field at the end of the game on Friday.
3.) Ultimately, the numbers game isn't in his favor.
Although fans have written off Addison after one year and made him the new Trent Murphy of the board (who also didn't fall as they wanted) - it doesn't appear to me that's how McBeane see it.
Hughes and Addison sat to not risk they're health because they're important pieces in their eyes. Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, and Carlos Basham are premium Draft Picks over the past two Drafts who won't be released. In my time as a Bills fan - they've only kept 4 Defensive Ends, 5 tops. I don't see them keeping 6.
Even if he plays a hybrid role like Quinton Jefferson last season - he'd have to be good enough at DT to justify them releasing both Harrison Phillips and Justin Zimmer. Not to mention, from what I've seen from Rousseau and Basham - both played Inside quite a bit in College. Thus eliminating that specialized role for him.
So, yeah, I just don't see it.
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If there were someone out there that was an upgrade over Levi Wallace, maybe. But after Steven Nelson signed with Philadelphia and Richard Sherman became persona non grata, there isn't anyone that fits the bill on the market right now. If McBeane themselves thought anyone was an upgrade and/or were interested, they'd have done it by now. Not two weeks into Training Camp. And anyone who would be an upgrade over Levi wouldn't be released in the final cuts and even if they were, it'd be too late in the process for them to be expected to step in, know the system, and start right away. I wouldn't expect a signing at CB unless there's an injury. Maybe.
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15 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:
I agree on Addison, but don't you think Kumerow or Breida could take the 5-10 plays a game on special teams AND offer something to the offense if needed?🤔
McDermott praised Jones as being in his eyes "the best gunner in the NFL". We've already lost Andre Roberts and will most likely lose Daryl Johnson from a pure numbers standpoint. I don't see us then voluntarily getting rid of someone who is considered our top Special Teams player.
McDermott and Beane have spoke of the importance of having a core of Special Teams specialists. When you trade those guys in for guys who might not be as good there but offer more on Offense or Defense - you get burned. As we did in 2019 when we didn't match Houston's offer for Taiwan. We brought him back as soon as we could. And then re-signed him this offseason, knowing he's used almost exclusively on Special Teams.
Last Friday, he was a healthy scratch by McDermott. He didn't want to risk him getting hurt, even when we were already down Zack Moss and Christian Wade at RB. Even when Antonio Williams went down, they still didn't put in Jones. If you look at everyone else who sat on Friday, they're all locks. They view him as an important part of the team. If he was even in so much of a training camp battle, they wouldn't have done that
9 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:what is your guarantee? I think a trade is more likely. It is time to start watching other teams weakneses and who who like an upgrade from Addison, Butler or Hudges. MAybe all 3
Boogie played last year and is a more complete player than Rousseau is now.
Much like I stated above about Jones, Addison wasn't risked to injury last Friday amongst the rest of the locks on the roster. Beyond that, Beane has been steadfast in stating he's relying on Addison for leadership and expects big things from him this year. Often speaking of a new plan they have for reps for him to get back to where he was before last season.
And if they were to move on from him, they would have released him before the season. Not asked him to restructure to stay. Never under Brandon Beane's regime has he approached a player and told them they need to take a paycut to stay and then released the player. Not even someone we ended up not even using like Tyler Kroft. It's a bad look to the locker room and Beane places a heavy emphasis on morale and trust in the process.
A trade is even more unlikely as it's an even worse look to say "thanks for taking that pay cut, it made it easier for us to move you to a new team at the start of the season for you to play catch up with all year".
I think I remember seeing cutting Adisson wouldn't save us any money now either. I see Addison as way more unlikely to be released or traded then Trent Murphy was. Especially after only one season with us. And they never even cut or traded Murphy.
I just see a big disparity between how many of you view Addison and Jones and how Beane and McDermott view them.
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It's all the rage amongst fans for them to cut Mario Addison and Taiwan Jones and I guarantee neither is going to happen.
Bills cuts to get to 53 [final info in the OP]
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Again, much like the other guy, you say "expendable". McDermott says "best gunner in the league". Even if I were on your side, logically I'd realize that it doesn't line up with that of the Head Coach. That's what baffles me with you guys.