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Cook isn't getting you very far. He's a Running Back. In the last year of his deal. Who's publicly angling for a top dollar contract. Being traded in a year of a very good Running Back class. All of those things make his value take a hit. And trades have been lower than expected this year. Even DK Metcalf went for just a low 2nd. Joe Milton who was expected to yield something more was traded with a 7th for a 5th. The same exact trade (with a 7th for a 5th) was done for Deebo Samuel. Cook's actual value (as opposed to some of the ridiculous valuations he's been given on this board) probably has a ceiling of a high 4th. Package a high 4th with Pick 30, you're not going up the board more than a pick or two.

Said it once, i'll say it a million times - you're not "completely transforming the Defense" by rolling back the same secondary and LB's and going crazy on DL. It'll improve run Defense, for sure. But QB's had no problem negating the pass rush all season by getting the ball out quickly with ease against our pass coverage, by way of subpar to average talent in the Secondary (outside of Benford) and the Zone scheme being picked apart with people constantly out of position. All season long against quality opponents, it seemed like the opposing QB took the snap, dropped back, one mississippi two mississippi - ball out. Meanwhile, Josh had to run all over the field and hope someone got open. Even the most talented line isn't going to blow up the opposing teams OL every snap and get back there that quickly. We definitely need to improve the Line, no doubt about it. But we also have to improve the Secondary. Just focusing on DL will have teams continuing to quick pass on us and just focusing on Secondary will have teams running all over us. We need to do both.

Shavon Revel Jr.'s ACL tear makes for an interesting situation. He tore it on 9/18/24. Which would make Week 1 just about 1 full year from injury. So he should be ready to play by then. But will he be able to do anything in Training Camp or the Pre-Season? And would McDermott start a Rookie who hasn't played Football in a year and is making the leap from College to the Pro's on top of that - especially if he's limited or a no go in the Offseason? I think talent wise, if he were to fall to 30 or within striking range - you have to heavily consider him the pick. Though I do worry about McDermott's conservative nature when it comes to his contributions in Year 1. I'd say start Dane Jackson for a little while, easing Revel in and replacing Jackson as soon as possible. But as we saw with Bishop's injury last year and Hamlin starting in his place - I could see a scenario where if he started Jackson it would just be Jackson's job all year with a focus on Revel in Year 2.

Some fans around here think James Cook is worth a 2nd too and they're just as wrong.

You shouldn't go by that chart. That's the antiquated Jimmy Johnson model developed in the late 80's. It even says on the description of that very chart: "Teams are reported to use a revised trade value model in recent years, as discussed by Bill Belichick. Drafttek provides an alternate trade value model, developed by Rich Hill of Pats Pulpit, which we believe more accurately reflect the trades of the past several years" This is the more accurate, modern version you should go by: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

I just saw two co-stars laughing and having a good time together. Crazy thought: maybe they're friends.

Probably someone else who would (or should) add the question, just as they did, "is this a fair trade?" - to which they can find out, like they did ... it isn't. It's fun to think about fleecing a team in a trade. But that's not something you ever really see in Draft Trades. As dumb as some posters think Jerry Jones is - its not like you seeing him doing dumb trades all over the place. And that's exactly what this would be.

Spoiler alert: it's not. And Hansen is being kind by saying he "thinks" it's too high of a valuation on Cook. It's way too high.

Yep. Rasul Douglas is def a member of TwoBillsDrive and is "seeing this".... If he were to be brought back, obviously i'd want him to do well. But if the Bills thought he wasn't what his stats (or simple eye test) showed last season - he'd have been a priority re-sign. Or he'd have been a Priority Free Agent for another team. The idea that he's going to bounce back at 31 years old is against conventional wisdom. The Rasul Douglas that's out there right now is not the Rasul Douglas of 2-3 years ago. But you know the name, so f-ck conventional wisdom, "i've heard of 'em!"

As I said in my post on the first page, Drafting 2 Rookies and signing Rasul would have us cutting 2 of those 3 players (or one of them plus Dane). We only keep 5. If we find ourselves in a situation like 2022 where the guy we pick high (in that case, Elam) is outperformed by the guy we Drafted low (Benford) - then you're in a spot where you aren't going to cut either and you'll have to cut Douglas and Jackson. We passed on re-signing Douglas for a reason. He's sitting out there while teams are in dire need for a CB for a reason. He's not worth bringing back.

You say "Allen can score with anyone". I say when we give him subpar to average weapons, we rely on Josh to play like Superman way more than we should. Anything less than superhuman to overcome the lack of talent and we're in trouble in big games. How often last season were we watching plays come easy to our opponents, ball out quickly while Josh scrambled around searching for someone to get separation and get open for him? Against the best teams and the best Defenses - just "anyone" isn't enough. If it was enough, we wouldn't constantly be hitting a ceiling of losing in the AFC Championship. If it was enough, we wouldn't have been leaning on James Cook to keep us alive in the Chiefs game (who most fans want to get rid of too bc their feelings are hurt) - only for Dalton Kincaid to fail us with the game on the line. We're failing Josh Allen by surrounding him with a WR core that's lacking on a regular basis.

Agreed. He's playing hardball and Beane's playing hardball - but in the end, as things stand right now, I don't see him sitting out anything more than Training Camp at most. He wants that money. He's not going to get it based on what he's done and then sitting out and/or playing subpar ball in his contract year. His brother threatened to Hold Out in 2020. He ended up not even missing any of Training Camp. For what his Trade Value is (which is much lower than most posters think it is) - better to have him playing his hardest for us in the Playoffs. Everyone's in their feels. But Beane isn't. Until he starts mouthing off like Diggs or something (where he starts taking shots at teammates and tries to force himself off of the team), there's no reason for him not to be here.

So you're banking on Jerry Jones' idiocy and him throwing out the Chart that the Cowboys and all teams go by or paying the price of above a mid 2nd Round Pick for James Cook alone to make the trade work - which is more than DK friggin' Metcalf went for? Okay... sure 😆

You're still not even close. 12 is worth 347 points 30 is worth 196 points A 2026 3rd equates to a 2025 4th - that's worth 18 points (where teams would expect us to be picking) James Cook's value with all the things working against him (RB, last year of his deal, public angling for a top dollar contract for position, and being traded in a year of a good RB class) is probably topping out at a mid-4th (if we're lucky) - which is worth about 25 points. Proposed Bills trade package - 239 Which will move you to... Pick 24. You want to move up 18 picks and your package would move us up 6 picks. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

I used to like McAfee's show. But as time has gone by and he's said and done different things - his shtick has kind of run it's course with me. Even in WWE.

She said the Red and Yellow works well together, their fans are loud, and they bring it for their team. She couldn't handle the wings and was doing whatever she could to avoid having to eat one. Prefaced it by saying that she can say three things nice about anybody if she has to.

So because Elam was a bust that means we shouldn't ever take a CB in the 1st Round that is a long physical corner with some speed?

We keep 5 CB's total generally, including Taron at Nickel (Codrington was the "6th" last year, but it was just for his Return role - otherwise they'd just have 5, with Cam Lewis as a floating backup NCB/S/ST hybrid). Right now we have: Christian Benford Taron Johnson Dane Jackson Ja'Marcus Ingram Add Douglas and a "Draft a couple CB's" - and we'd need to cut 2 from that field. Ingram's been in our system for years and they like him quite a bit as a Reserve DB and Special Teamer. So you'd most likely be looking at one of Douglas or Jackson being cut, as well as one of the Rookies. Which depending on where they were taken, might not even be an option. Douglas is simply not worth bringing back. And their actions to this point say he wasn't in the plans. To go back to him would constitute a failure in addressing the position, in my opinion. I'd honestly trust Dane Jackson before Rasul Douglas, at this point. I think the team feels the same way.

Cam played more Safety for us last season than he did CB. He's a DB swiss army knife. He was a primary backup at both Safety and Nickel. Lately if you were going to say what his "primary" role is based on usage (mainly to injuries to Rapp and Hamlin) - it would be Safety.

Let's not and say we did. Load up the DL all you want. It'll help the run game. But as far as pressure, roll back the same secondary and that ball's flying out of the QB's hand lightning fast and negating the rush - as was the case all last year. Another year older and Douglas may be even worse than he was last year. There's a reason why we were in no rush to re-sign him and he's still floating around right now when teams need CB's. He was abysmal last season. I think he's hit the wall.

Why? Because he's a physical boundary CB with some length and speed that has a late 1st Round grade on him?

James Cook and a 5th and 6th for a high 2nd? Matthew Golden at 30? Good to see you're staying realistic.

If they were to keep Shenault as a Return Specialist - he'd be a 6th WR. We always carried 6 when the Return Specialist was a WR and only started carrying 5 WR's when the specialist was at a different position. Shenault is this year's Andy Isabella, K.J. Hamler, or Chase Claypool. His ceiling is FAR more likely than not the Practice Squad. It's where he ended his season last year and it's *incredibly* unlikely he makes the 53. WR was a position we needed to upgrade. Josh Palmer could become something more with Josh. But it's no sure thing. It's a projection. He's a career average sub 600 guy. To roll back Shakir, Coleman, and Samuel to pair with Palmer and Shavers in place of Hollins and Cooper is not only not an upgrade on paper, it's quite possibly a downgrade. I agree on Andreesen and especially Spector being expendable. But I see all of Milano, Bernard, Williams, and Olofoshio being here. Olofoshio was a 5th Round Pick last year for us who was considered a value where we picked him and is someone they're developing. Between Bernard, Williams, and Milano - there wasn't really much need to put him on the field. That doesn't mean he isn't coming along or they don't like him. And as you said with WR, we generally only keep 5. In Milano and Williams, I don't see them bringing in an OLB to put above either this season. Again, maybe they bring in a backup to upgrade from Andreesen. But the idea that it's a major need this season and especially above WR where there's a legitimate hole right now? I couldn't disagree more.

Finishing his career where it started.

I'm not saying pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at any position. Obviously if the value isn't there at one position but is at another position of need, don't force a pick just bc you think one position is more of a need than the other. Find the best value at a position of need and make that your pick. I'm just tired of seeing "well we got Benford in the 6th so you don't need to worry about CB with any of the picks on Day 1 and Day 2". It's like winning a lot of money on a $1 scratch off and expecting that's going to happen every time you buy a Lucky 7.