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It's definitely Drew Sanders and Trenton Simpson before Jack Campbell. I don't dislike Jack Campbell. If we get him, I'd be fine with that. But you don't take Campbell before those two come off the board.

It's incredible to me how overrated he is on this board. All I've heard for years on this board is "you don't reach for need". Now all of a sudden everyone wants to take the guy who's pretty much universally ranked as the 3rd or 4th best MLB, in the first round, in a class where pretty much universally one MLB (Sanders) is mocked in the first round or no MLB is mocked in the first round at all. If Campbell is the target, I think there's a very good chance he's there at 59. Or at least within striking distance of a trade up from 59, if Sanders and Simpson come off the board. Daiyan Henley may come off the board before Campbell as well. Taking him at 27 is insanity to me. I see almost zero chance of that happening.

Drew's comp is literally Tremaine Edmunds. If he's on the board at 27, I'd be surprised if he wasn't the pick. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/drew-sanders/32005341-4e29-0589-5c62-ee6a75833b2f

Definitely see Beane being more interested in Sanders than Campbell. He's big on athleticism, measurements, and having room to grow.

Absolutely. In no way do we give up a 1st plus for a 31 year old WR. Not to mention, that's not how trade conditions work. They're met by individual performance, snap counts, and availability - not by team performance. In this scenario, Hopkins could blow out his knee Week 1, contribute nothing, and then we'd be on the hook for a 1st if they made the Super Bowl without him.

Right now, I feel Beane's mindset is "on to the Draft". I imagine he had his conversation with Arizona and maybe Hopkins, realized that what they were willing to pay didn't match up with one or both of them wanted and that was that. I think the only way it happens is if Arizona taps out and concedes to giving him away AND Hopkins is willing to rip up his contract and signs something team friendly because he wants to be here. Or they release him and signs something team friendly because he wants to be here. I don't see either option as likely. Like I said, I think he's focusing on the Draft right now. If the board falls in a way he can get a WR he loves, I think he pulls the trigger. If it doesn't, I think he circles back to OBJ or trades.

If that's the board at each round, I'd be happy with: 1.) WR Jordan Addison 2.) OT Andrew Bergeron 3.) LB Henry To'oTo'o 4.) IOL Andrew Vorhees 5.) RB Kendre Miller 6.) LB Mohamoud Diabate

Then why does it say he lines up in the slot 11.5% of the time and his metrics are almost exclusively against outside CB's? Number's don't lie. https://www.rotoballer.com/is-isaiah-hodgins-healthy-or-injured-for-fantasy-football https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/isaiah-hodgins/

I wait. Everyone around here has an obsession with Jack Campbell. But I doubt Brandon Beane is looking at a rankings board of MLB's that reads just Jack Campbell circled. He's probably got his eyes on a number of different prospects. One of which will surely be at 59 or within striking distance if the board falls a certain way.

Disagree. He is a tall, slow, RedZone target. I don't think we ever lined him up in the slot and while you can occasionally slide almost any WR inside in certain packages, New York used him in the slot in only 11.5% of his snaps. He is not a slot WR.

Unless he likes Drew Sanders, which I could see given his comp on NFL.com is Tremaine Edmunds, I don't see value in MLB at 27. Haven't seen a mock (outside of Bills fan mocks) that has a MLB in Round 1 outside of Sanders. There's a lot that don't have a MLB at all.

Hodgins was not and is not a slot WR. Too tall and too slow. We pulled Bease out of retirement because Crowder got hurt and McKenzie wasn't getting the job done. I believe Shakir probably could have held the role down but for whatever reason McDermott likes to bring Rookies around slowly. He has to take the training wheels off this year with how he performed in spot duty. But last year was another example of why you don't carry 3 slots. It left us with Diggs, Davis, and nothing else. We were putting Kumerow in the starting lineup when Davis got dinged up because all we had was slot. We signed our slot in Harty and Shakir will cycle in. We released McKenzie in large part bc the position was covered already. As he said "don't want too much duplicate".

We signed Harty to a two year deal. Shakir may be able to play Outside, but he's been primarily used in the slot. The slot is covered this season and next. Outside of Diggs and Davis we have Sherfield and nothing. Slot is covered for this season. We need another boundary. Johnston, Addison, Hyatt, Downs, and Tillman are either outside guys exclusively or have played both roles. And of course there's still OBJ or trade options. Either way, with Diggs, Davis, Harty, Sherfield, and Shakir - there's room for one more WR on the 53 and he has to be an outside guy.

I keep seeing we need a slot guy and I couldn't disagree more. Khalil Shakir showed flashes of being our best slot guy last year and has earned more reps. Then we went out and signed Deonte Harty. You don't need more than two slot guys on the 53, which was a big reason as to why we released McKenzie. We have that position covered. What we need is another outside WR we can rely on alongside Diggs and Davis. Last season we had to trot out Jake Kumerow when Davis got banged up. Davis isn't as bad as this board would lead you to believe and I think he'd be a very good 3rd option. But Diggs and Davis alone is not enough. Boundary WR is what we need, not another slot.

While I don't think it's fair to compare Davis to a blank slate, as he was more than solid in his role as WR3, I think that says more than anything we need another outside WR and not a slot. Round 1 or a FA like OBJ or a Trade. We need one more there. Last season when Davis was banged up we were trotting out Jake Kumerow. Can't rely on Davis and that both are going to stay healthy all year long.

The slot is covered with Harty and Shakir. We need another boundary WR he can rely on outside of Diggs and Davis.

I don't think either will be the pick at 27. Campbell is too much of a reach there. Wright would be an outright replacement of Spencer Brown, which Beane seems hesitant to do, citing his lack of an offseason and minor injuries being the cause of his less than stellar performance last season.

You are assuming that a.) Beane is fixated on one single LB, Campbell in particular and b.) That Campbell is the same value as Edmunds was in the 2018 Draft (which is not true, Edmunds was considered a steal where we took him) When I talk of value, i'm talking about where the LB prospects are ranked and expected to go in this Draft. Jack Campbell is universally considered to be a mid-2nd Round Pick. As are most of the MLB prospects. Outside of fans, Jack Campbell isn't seen in mocks near pick 27. He could very well be had at 59. Most of them don't even have a MLB selected in Round 1 at all and practically all of them don't have Campbell as the first to come off the board. I know we have a need to fill, but you don't reach for need. When I say move up if players at the position start going - I mean one or two of Drew Sanders, Trenton Simpson, Jack Campbell, Daiyan Henley, and Noah Sewell. Brandon Beane, as most GM's picking late, don't fixate on one player at a position. Sure, they're going to say whoever they pick was "their guy". But Beane will have rankings of preference at every position. He'll let the board fall to him and if LB's start moving earlier than expected, he'll move up. Or maybe he'll move down from 27. But again, you don't reach for need. And Jack Campbell at 27 would be a big reach.

Depends who's available at each position. I'd prefer a WR2. But if there's a run on them and there isn't someone Beane liked and there's someone like Dalton Kincaid or Michael Mayer on the board - I'd be happy with it. Unless Beane likes Drew Sanders and he's on the board still, the value isn't there at 27 for a MLB. Trade up from 59 for Edmunds replacement, if MLB starts moving before then. Shouldn't cost much in this Draft.

You yourself implied this came from Hopkins or his camp. Wouldn't that mean he wants off the team? And how would teams wanting to trade for him saying they think he's going to be released push the Cardinals to move him? What would be the point of teams putting that out there? Also, on my "butchering" of the numbers - the 3rd Pick in the Draft alone is a 6.9 million Dollar Cap Hit. Our Drafts are a lot cheaper because we're generally picking at the bottom of the Draft: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/draft/ And I'm not someone who is pushing for him to be on this team. I don't think it works out for us any way you slice it. Though I wouldn't be opposed to it if it were to happen, it's kind of funny that you're claiming I'm making stuff up because I "want him". I've been called a "bully" on this thread for poking holes in the legitimacy of sources and the likelihood of it happening.

What's that have to do with the Draft?

They'd save 19.45m by designating him a Post 6/1 cut: https://www.espn.co.uk/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/36243/answering-the-big-questions-about-deandre-hopkins-future-in-arizona They have 20, but they're going to cut into that by half for their high Draft picks and their Practice Squad. And what they need more than anything is help in the trenches. If they're interested in guys like Leonard Floyd, Frank Clark, Yanick Ngakoue, Isaiah Wynn, Dalton Risner, etc. and/or want to trade for players at other positions, they can do a lot with that extra 19.45 to rebuild their team. And if he wants out and is going to be a malcontent on a rebuilding team, would you rather spend 30m in cap space to keep an unhappy player or save 19.45? Seems a no brainer regardless of their cap situation.

I disagree. I think it's legit. I don't think any team in the league is willing to take on that contract for a 31 year old WR. It's more about his contract than the trade compensation. And now that the league has all sort of agreed they aren't paying the price, they've all realized that the team is going to have to cut him if they want any sort of savings. And if they do, they'll be able to get him for a MUCH cheaper price than his current contract and for no compensation.

Addison and Hyatt are both 6'0" - which is the same height as Stefon Diggs. Hyatt runs a 4.4 40 and graded out best overall amongst all WR's at the Combine according to NFL.com's metrics. So while i'd prefer a taller WR, 6' even is fine if you have the experience playing Outside and have above average qualities elsewhere such as speed and route running. Agreed on Johnston though. He is my favorite. Though he has some issues with contested catches. I think he will be gone, but it wouldn't shock me if he fell due to some inconsistent game footage and teams falling for JSN, Flowers, and Hyatt.

Zay Flowers height is a definite concern. But his route running, speed, and game breaking ability could lend itself to the Outside. Smith-Njigba may or may not be able to play on the Outside. Quentin Johnson, Jordan Addison, and Jalin Hyatt are all Outside guys.