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I'm surprised the mods have let this title stand for so long. So incredibly misleading. It should just say "Devin White requests Trade". I saw this post and thought we had traded for him.

I think, as I stated in earlier posts, if Beane went WR in Round 1 and then saw Campbell and Simpson go at 31 and 32 respectively - he'd have moved up by 43 to secure Sanders before he was selected at 44. But since trading up isn't really a thing in this exercise - I think if he stood put at 59, he'd have taken Henley a little early (and I think the 3rd Round grade is a little low IMHO). I just don't see a way he'd completely neglect a glaring need this year for help next year. Unless he's in love with another Bernard like LB'er that is expected to go later.

Addison and going WR Round 1 to me isn't the issue. I actually expect WR Round 1. But not taking a MLB in Round 1 or Round 2 - that I don't see. Especially taking a DT. That's something we take care of next year, not this year with the holes we have.

Geesh - with the way fans are voting, we better hope there's a decent MLB available in Round 3. Can't believe people are going for DT before Henley here.

Well I'm just talking about this particular situation where we've taken Addison at 27. I think those first 2 Rounds have to be WR and LB. And if he watched 2 MLB's go at 31 and 32 and Drew Sanders was still on the board - he wouldn't let him get to 44. I do agree that OL help won't come until Round 3, at the earliest. My ideal situation would be 2 OL and 1 TE between Rounds 3 and 5. I think he wants to bring in competition for Brown, but I don't see him drafting one higher than where he drafted Brown (in Round 3). I don't think he's ready to outright replace Brown, which is what he'd be doing taking an OT in Round 1 or 2.

I think if we stayed put at 27 and took Addison and then Jack Campbell and Trenton Simpson went 31 and 32 - he'd have moved up to take Drew Sanders by the time he went at 44. At this point, with all 3 of those gone, if you have 1 LB left with a 2nd Round grade, that should be the pick if they're still on the board.

For me, it's Quentin Johnston. He's not a finished product - but he's the best true Outside WR with the blend of size and speed I think we're looking for. He'll need some coaching up, but when it comes to guys like JSN and Flowers - you're looking at guys who have predominately played Slot and project to Slots in the NFL. We have that position covered with Harty and Shakir already. We need another boundary WR. If Beane believes JSN can play outside on this team though, I'd be all for it.

And here I thought you might finally be coming around to a 1st Round WR being the most likely move we'd be making at WR help alongside Diggs and Davis. Then you post 1st Round WR... AND Hopkins? That's never going to happen. They aren't going to go from thinking Gabe Davis is showing enough promise as a #3 that he should get a shot at #2, to he failed at #2 - so demote him to #4. We have Stefon Diggs, a top 5 WR in this league who we're paying like a top 5 WR in the league. At most, you're going to bring in 1 stud acquistion alongside him. No team carries 2 Top 10 WR's and then trades up in the 1st Round to take another, who's ceiling would be WR3. That's Madden level ridiculous. It's one or the other. Either would put us in a MUCH better situation than most teams in the league. And with OBJ being paid what he was paid, it makes the minimal chance we could make Hopkins happen even less at this point. We have holes on this team, places that need upgrade, and places lacking depth. We can't afford to use Draft resources to trade up and select a WR, Draft resources to trade for Hopkins, and large amounts of cap space for Hopkins all at one position and neglect places like MLB, OL, and TE.

PFT agrees with me that if the rumors are legit, it's probably for a WR.

If signing Richie James and their cap situation not being great removes KC, in your mind, than our cap situation and signing Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield would remove us as well. Between our Jordan Phillips deal not being on the books and their James deal not being on the books, our cap situation isn't much different. And we have a better WR core than they do, at the moment. KC doesn't have a true #1 right now. They only have MVS, Kadarius Toney, Skyy Moore, and Richie James - after losing Mecole Hardman and JuJu Smith-Schuster in FA. After what OBJ just got, I don't see the Bills or the Chiefs being able to afford Hopkins. I think we'll both be Drafting WR's within the first 2 Rounds.

No, the Jets never even made sense to me for OBJ. They have Garrett Wilson and already signed Mecole Hardman and Allen Lazard. They aren't breaking the bank for Hopkins too. But I think you're right. If there was any hope that Hopkins might take a pay cut, that flew out the window with the money OBJ got. Absolutely insane Baltimore paid that.

Knox is a good Tight End that we pay like a Top 5 TE. I think Knox is decent. But he's not a Game Changer. It seems like for every "wow!" low percentage catch he somehow manages to pull in against all odds, he has another high percentage catch hit him right in the hands that he drops. I don't think fans who don't think that he's on the level of Kelce and Kittle are "knocking" him. Nor is the idea we should get another TE in here on his level a knock on him. I like Dawson. But there's a good percentage of teams that run 2TE packages. I think that was the plan when we signed OJ Howard. It just didn't work out. Having 2 TE's at a high level would allow us to run 2TE packages. It would keep both Dawson and he fresh when only 1 TE is on the field. And Dawson may be good, but what happens if he gets hurt? Josh needs more reliable pass catchers at the ready. Another TE provides that and it gives us insurance if Dawson gets dinged up. As good as you think he is, we have to have someone solid with him and he can't be on the field every single play.

Because a.) Knox is good, but not great. He has a number of frustrating drops. And b.) We have nothing else there. If we want to run 2 TE sets, it would be good to have another solid TE. And if Knox gets hurt, we're pretty much nowhere.

I guess I don't know how contracts work. How can you give someone a base salary of 1m+ and incentives of 3m and then give them a 13m+ signing bonus? I thought bonus' had to be a percentage of a contract? How can you give someone a bonus that's like 4 times the amount of the actual contract?

Wrong again. Hines is under contract for two more seasons. And Spotrac hasn't updated the contract since his restructure. But OTC has, it's a 2 million dollar dead cap hit (on top of the 4 million we paid up front and the 5th Round Pick we spent on him): https://overthecap.com/player/nyheim-hines/6989 And you sort of answered your own question there. They didn't do all of that for him to "just return kicks". Both Beane and McDermott have said they could have used him more last season on Offense and expect to use him more this season, as he'll have a full offseason with the team and won't be learning the playbook midseason. And I can guarantee you Damien Harris didn't sign here when he did in FA without guarantees that he'd get playing time. We didn't do that just to have him ride the pine on Sundays while Robinson and Cook are dressed (which is what would happen if we drafted Robinson). You might not be a fan or worry about his injury history - but they made the move. They're not just going to replace him weeks later bc you want more. As for next year, even if Harris is gone, you worry about RB then if you need to. This year, the position is covered. We need to worry about the positions that aren't covered this year, rather than upgrading the RB core again and again when it isn't necessary. Again, we've already spent a 2nd and a 5th and signed Harris. The 2nd we paid on Cook (which is a high price for a RB these days) is proving dividends. Now we want to delegate him to RB2 as he's showing growth after the price we paid? Why? And no one is saying trade up for a Defensive player. The rumor isn't even for a Defensive player. The OP got that wrong. The rumor is a skill position player or an OL. In my eyes, this rumored trade up is most likely for a pass catcher. You talk about RB and "what happens if". But look at WR. We've got Diggs and Davis on the outside. Davis underachieved last season. And when one of them needs a breather, we want to put more than 2 on the field, or God forbid one of them gets hurt - it's Trent Sherfield time. We need another outside WR. And TE? We've got Knox and Morris and nothing else. Knox isn't a top tier TE to begin with. If we want to use 2 TE sets, Knox and Morris doesn't scare anyone. If Knox gets hurt, then what? This isn't even a run heavy team. Allen needs more reliable pass catchers then he had last season. Harty in the slot hopefully helps. But he still needs more. We were in on Hopkins and OBJ for a reason. But neither panned out. Now the Draft is the only real option. If it's for a Skill Player, it shouldn't be and won't be for a RB. If they want to add another developmental player in the later Rounds, that's fine. But in the first few Rounds we need to be looking at WR, LB, TE, and OL.

I think teams are falling in love with Zay Flowers playmaking ability. Hopefully he and JSN are the first WR's off the board. Making Quentin Johnston fall in striking range of a rumored trade up.

No Odell, No Hopkins, definitely feels more and more like 27 will be a WR.

Because people are in denial and won't let it go.

Oh damn, I missed it. Thanks. That's surprising to me. More so that Sanders is the 3rd LB to come off the board. I think Beane would be looking to move up in this situation.

Trenton Simpson is gone. Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell, and Daiyan Henley still on the board. Interesting spot. I think Beane would wait a little while longer and let the board come to him. Once one more MLB comes off the board, I think he'd try and move up. For MLB it's falling how I'd expect. Sanders and Simpson will be the first off the board. Campbell may very well be there at 59, or at least within striking distance. Taking him at 27 is foolish.

Your take on Hines is just false. We just handed him 4 million dollars in cash as a restructure to keep him. Teams are not in the business of giving someone 4 million dollars if they aren't in the plans. We also gave up a 5th Round Pick to acquire him not even a year ago. Not to mention 2 million plus in Dead Cap to release him. Hines is going nowhere. We also spent a 2nd on Cook less than a year ago. Slowly worked him into the lineup and by the end of the year, he was showing growth. You don't spend a 2nd on a RB and when he shows development, then spend a 1st on another. That's insane. If we had a solid roster with depth all over the place and Robinson was there at 27, maybe. But the fact is we lack depth in places, have outright holes at other places, and don't have cap space to fill them all. Drafting Robinson and especially trading up for him is incredibly shortsighted. This idea is like Buddy Nix drafting CJ Spiller.

So are a good percentage of WR's coming out of College. The same things were said about DK Metcalf. Johnston like most prospects needs to be coached up. But the fact remains - he's the best Outside WR Prospect with the blend of size and speed I foresee us looking for at WR on the boundary. Flowers and JSN are clearly slot guys. Addison is a bit of a tweener. If Beane moves up to select him, than he feels he's closer to Boom than Bust.

Bijan Robinson is talented. But we're covered at RB. We've already spent a 2nd Round Pick on James Cook and a 5th Round Pick on Nyheim Hines in less than a year. Then we went out and signed Damien Harris to compliment them. There's zero chance they then spend a 1st Round Pick AND trade up for one after what they've already done. Less so with the holes we have to fill. And I've said this a million times, but I'll say it again - McDermott has only ever dressed 3 RB's on Game Day. 2 true RB's and 1 RB/ST. Nyheim Hines will dress for the latter role. Meaning 1 of Cook and Harris would be made inactive on Game Day. I don't think they signed Damien Harris to be our TJ Yeldon/Matt Breida "Break Glass in Case of Emergency" inactive RB. Cook, Harris, and Hines is a very solid core to dress on Game Day. Especially with how we tend to use RB here. I get liking Bijan's talent. But we have too much to do elsewhere to be making CJ Spiller-esque upgrade luxury picks. Picking him and especially trading up for him is nonsense.

I see all the rumors and am skeptical about it. We have a lot to do in this Draft. I don't see him giving up our 2nd this year. I could see him banking on that 3rd comp next year and using a 3rd next year. I don't know how far a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year would get us. I see a hypothetical move up being for Quentin Johnston. OBJ visiting the Jets could mean he's out. We did look into DeAndre Hopkins, but my guess is they feel they can't afford the cost of the contract. Johnston is the only true Outside WR with the blend of size, speed, and athleticism I think they're looking for in Round 1 and is at least just out of reach at 27. I think they will Draft OL prospects, but I don't think they're looking for someone to outright replace Spencer Brown this year. And I don't see them trading up for a Guard.

This is a made up concept amongst fans, just as trading Tremaine Edmunds last season was. Nothing Brandon Beane has said has led me to think he believes anything that you're saying he believes. On the contrary, he talks up how he'd like to keep him (and Gabe Davis) for years to come and is excited to see what he does as a Bill this season.