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If the Ravens were to be considered out of it simply because they have OBJ and need to get him targets then that would mean we would have to be out of it because we have Diggs and he needs targets. I think the Ravens are out of it because they just had to give a giant bag to Lamar, just gave 15 million to OBJ, and the cryptic posts that people were reading into being Hopkins was actually just Lamar getting his deal.

Definitely not a friend congratulating another friend on their magazine shoot. It has to actually mean he's becoming a Buffalo Bill.

Gonna take a lot more than Hopkins wanting to be here and Beane being 1% interested.

I think he's just wishing. They're old College Teammates. Very likely just seeing the rumors and/or talking to him and hearing he wants to come here.

This thread is going to lose their minds if the Bills take a WR at 27. 27 for 34 is the trendy predicted trade proposal by fans and pundits as of late. But I still think it's going to cost more than just moving down 7 picks. Probably also a 4th or a 5th. Same thing that happens anytime something somewhat meaningful is said. Fans freak out. They start looking for any info and cling on to random Twitter accounts that say what they want to hear to gain followers.

Wow. A TBD Poster who's a Jack Campbell fan and thinks we should reach for him at 27. Shocking.

I think it's either Lamar got a deal done with Baltimore or somewhere else. Pacman (if he's to be believed) checked into it live with his "source" and then delivered the "news" about Buffalo and KC. So I don't think it's about Hopkins - but who knows what's true or not these days.

I imagine the Ravens talk stems from this:

Players on the last year of their contract don't fetch much. We absolutely wouldn't get a 2nd for Oliver and we'd be lucky to get a 3rd.

Yes. And that's normal. Do you see a rash of teams trading away players in the last year of their Rookie Deal? No. The reason for that is two fold: 1.) Teams aren't into trading for players that only have 1 year left on their deal unless they know the player is going to sign a long term deal with them. And the team trading them isn't likely to do it unless they know for sure they aren't going to re-sign them following the last year of the deal. 2.) When you Draft a player, you have them under a cost controlled Rookie deal for 4-5 seasons. You want to get at least that when you Draft a guy. Teams don't want to get 1 less year of that Rookie deal investment. Is it impossible? No. But it's not foolish or weird to lose a Free Agents and get "nothing in return". It happens league wide every single year. Beane has talked about wanting to re-sign Oliver after this season. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. But I don't see him not at least getting the 5th year he signed him up for.

I get irked by posts like this. I don't give a crap what list Josh is or isn't on. I don't care what he's ranked by some pundit. We finally have a Franchise QB who's one of the best in the league. That's all that matters.

Absolute insanity to draft Josh Downs with Quentin Johnston and Jalin Hyatt.

He wasn't even the best Slot WR on the team last year. Khalil Shakir just had the McDermott Rookie Training Wheels on. And all one has to do is look at Deonte Harty's explosive playmaking ability and explosiveness in 2021, before he got lost for the year at the beginning of 2022, to know that this take is completely laughable. He was better than Isaiah McKenzie was last season. But Harty and Shakir? Nope. If the Bills brought Cole back, he'd be on the Practice Squad and only activated if there were an injury to Harty or Shakir.

You're missing the point. We'd have to use another Pick to fill his role. You can't just have Diggs, Hopkins, and Sherfield on the Outside. We'd need to get another solid #3. And we'd already be spending a pick or picks at WR on Hopkins. That's too much to put into WR with all the holes we need to fill, the draft compensation we'd already be giving up at WR for Hopkins, and with the money we'd be spending on Hopkins requiring us to fill those holes in the Draft. Trading away Davis just to have to spend more this season to replace him on top of what we're spending on Hopkins is pointless and counter productive when he's fine as the #3. He wouldn't be a part of a Hopkins trade. And if Davis is as replaceable as you say he is, why would Arizona want him and make it a sticking point? A 2nd may have more upside. Or he may take time. And why spend a 2nd on someone when we already have Diggs and Hopkins in the starting lineup? Especially when, contrary to posters on this thread would like to believe, we have a lot more to do to this roster than just create a Fantasy Football team at WR.

And some Bills fans think Davis is completely worthless and should be cut or traded after his promotion to #2 didn't go swimmingly in a season where he was dealing with injuries and was in his first year starting. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Davis was a very solid #3 WR. Solid enough that it earned him a promotion. It wasn't all the KC playoff game. He made many difficult toe tap catches before that game. Yes, last season didn't go as well as we had hoped at #2. But that doesn't mean he should be ran out of town. He should return to his role as #3 at least for this season, finding holes in the Defense with coverages rolling to Diggs and Hopkins. He's under an inexpensive mid round Rookie contract. If we had Diggs and Hopkins, it makes no sense to get rid of Davis and spend a 2nd Round Pick on another WR for that same #3 role on top of it. Especially with the amount of holes we have to fill at other positions, the need to fill those holes in the Draft after what it would cost financially for Hopkins, and the Draft compensation we'd already spending on WR to acquire Hopkins.

Not going to happen. We only have room for 1 top end WR. If we trade for Hopkins, we aren't taking a WR in Rounds 1 or 2. If we take a WR in Round 1 or 2, we won't be trading for Hopkins. We have too many things to do across the roster to spend a 2nd Round Pick on a WR who would be beneath Diggs and Hopkins on the roster for 2 seasons at least. We'd need to trade at least a 3 for Hopkins, so now we're talking using all of our Day 2 Picks (and maybe more) just at WR. When we have to (at least) get a MLB, need help at OT and Interior OL, need a 2nd TE, and need a DT (every single one of our DT's are FA's next season). And with what we'd have to pay Hopkins, we need to fill all of that in the Draft. And the team isn't going to go from thinking Davis was such a solid #3 he should be promoted to #2 to he performed under par at #2 in his first season starting while dealing with injuries, so we're going to bury him on the Depth Chart at #4. Davis is going to be here for at least this season. And Beane's openly talked about wanting to re-sign him. To trade for Hopkins and Draft Mingo would be to completely give up on Davis. And I don't see Beane wanting to do that. It's either Diggs, Hopkins, Davis, and Sherfield on the Outside with Harty and Shakir in the Slot OR Diggs, A 1st or 2nd Round WR, Davis, and Sherfield on the Outside with Harty and Shakir in the Slot. At most, they'd trade for Hopkins and Draft a developmental prospect in the later rounds - but your dream scenario can't and won't happen.

Most WR Prospects taken outside of the Top 5-10 are considered "Boom or Bust". There were similar concerns with DK Metcalf coming out. All prospects are not finished products and require coaching up coming to the Pro Level. The guys you listed are Slot guys. Maybe Addison can play Outside, but he's pretty undersized when you figure in weight. We have that position covered. As we do our Starting TE. What we need is a true Outside WR opposite Diggs and someone who can at least share the 2 with Davis. Johnston is far and away the top Outside WR in a Draft that doesn't have many of those. I think it would be crazy to pass on him in favor of a 2nd TE if he were to fall to us. If Johnston weren't there and if Dorsey was going to incorporate a lot of 12 personnel, I'd be open to Kincaid. But I'm not convinced the team is all of a sudden looking to change the playbook and run 2 TE sets when they've not done that. And the need for a #2 or #2A/B on the Outside is far greater.

If Quentin Johnston is available at 27, I'd take him over Kincaid. His size, speed, and playmaking ability is exactly what we need on the Outside with Diggs and Davis. A 2nd TE to compliment Knox would be nice and I think we'll take one at some point. But 1st is a little high given that we have Knox and it's a deeper Draft at TE than WR.

Not paying a 2nd Round Pick unless AZ is picking up a bunch of the contract. He's great. But I'm not giving up a 2nd and paying a massive contract for any 31/yo WR. Given the strength of this Draft (or lack thereof) - next year's 2nd is worth more than this year's. If they want a pick from that Draft, it's maxing at a 3rd.

Almost assuredly exactly this. Or simply responding to a friend's post. Everyone loves to read more into IG comments/emoji's than are necessary. The NFL is a community of co-workers. 99.9% of all posts are meaningless conversation amongst colleagues.

With the buzz that Flowers has gotten in the pre-draft process, I am almost positive he's coming off the board before Mayer and possibly Wright. He's not a fall back plan if neither are available at this point.

The reported asking price has been a "Christian McCaffrey type trade package" while also being a salary dump. Getting him for less than that AND expecting them to eat the salary on top of it is a BIG ask.

Gabe Davis is not being traded. First of all, he's on the last year of his contract. Teams aren't giving up a Day 2 pick on someone that may or may not be there the following year. This only happens when the team trading for him knows they can sign them long-term. And even then, it doesn't get done unless the trading team knows they can't afford their price tag and is resigned to not re-signing them. And I don't see that situation here. Beane has spoken of wanting to re-sign him after this season. He had a disappointing year last season. But he produced at a high level as the #3 option. Enough that they thought he deserved a shot as a #2. Even if they believed he failed there (or fans do), it doesn't make sense that someone who performed as a high #3 should be cut or traded because he wasn't a great #2. Also, you're suggesting we trade Gabe, our 2nd, and our 3rd for Hopkins and Mingo. That would be using both of our Day 2 Picks on WR. With the holes we have, upgrades needed to be made, and next year considerations at MLB, OL, TE, and DT - we can't use a 2nd and a 3rd at one position. Especially if we already have Diggs and Hopkins in the fold. Gabe Davis will be here this season. Alongside Stefon Diggs and either a 1st/2nd Round Pick or DeAndre Hopkins. But not both and certainly not without Gabe as well.

Why would they call up a guy who is openly campaigning to play for other teams? He'd just tell them no. Maybe they did. Either way, it's nothing to really read into.

Probably nothing or not much at all. In fact, it probably cost us cap space. He was only making 1 million on his rookie contract this season.