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Sure, after the picks are made and we've seen what they turn into - that's something that's really easy to say. Hindsight is always 20/20. But the flip side of that is 99% of the best players in the NFL were once "overvalued" Draft Picks. We've traded two 1st Round Picks under Brandon Beane. The first one was used by the Chiefs to select Patrick Mahomes. The second one was used by the Vikings to select Justin Jefferson. That's not to say there isn't times where it's better to move picks for sure things. But there's a lot of reasons GM's value picks as they do - without taking into account 4-5 years of a cost controlled contract.

Shakir, Palmer, and Shavers are under contract next season. If Gabe stays healthy, they'll likely bring him back. That's 4 right there. It's likely after the past couple seasons of Beane having egg on his face that they will Draft a guy high, sign someone like Evans, Pickens, or Pierce, or make a trade for someone. That's 5. You're right that we're unlikely to cut him. But if things continue as they do and everyone stays healthy - he will almost assuredly be traded next season. The return won't be much (although we got more than expected for Elam, who was further along as a bust), but there will surely be a team that will send us something in a "change of scenery" deal that is common for young players.

I honestly don't think the negative response to this clip is fair to Coleman. He was trying to vibe with the team and keep them up. He was staying positive. If he were sulking around, pouting, or standing around when his teammates were trying to stay loose - people would have killed him for that too. Feels like people just wanted another reason to be mad at him. No matter what he did, people would have been like "can you believe this sh-t?"

Certainly could make an argument that Shavers should have been getting more reps leading up to Coleman's disciplinary inactive in Week 11. But for whatever reason, they didn't. Probably just boiled down to them hoping he'd eventually improve on field in his development. The argument is kind of moot at this point though. The bottom line is that we're only going to have 3 Outside WR's up (with Shakir and 1 of Samuel/Moore in the Slot). And when they put Palmer, Davis, and Shavers on the field in Week 11 - the passing game looked *world's* better. To go back to Coleman right now would be to nerf the Offense. As long as Palmer, Davis, and Shavers stay healthy and keep producing - Coleman will continue to sit.

Yes, but it's been reported that he will be inactive again this week. https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/bills-wr-keon-coleman-expected-to-be-benched-for-second-straight-game-vs-texans He was indeed sat for being late to a meeting (for the 2nd time this year). However, while he was sat, Gabe Davis proved to be a much better option than him on the Outside. And Shavers also took a step forward with increased reps. This week is less about the meeting and more about Davis and Shavers stepping up and improving the Offense. That's the danger of being sat for disciplinary reasons as he was. If guys show more than what you were showing in increased reps, you could lose your jersey. And that's exactly what's happened here. After last week, why would you dress Coleman over Davis, Palmer, or Shavers on the Outside?

Moore and Samuel have been pretty interchangable all season. Until Palmer went down, when everyone was healthy - sometimes Samuel was up and sometimes Moore was up. They're very similar. So Moore will come in for him. Hardman was active as a Returner more than anything else. As we dressed 5 WR'a all season, save for last week. And Hardman only got 4 reps on Offense. We'll probably go back to what we did for Returns before Hardman's arrival. Or we'll activate Brandon Codrington for that. But with Kincaid still down, it's likely we'll activate Latu again. So then we'll have Khalil Shakir, Joshua Palmer, Tyrell Shavers, and Elijah Moore up. And it comes down to who do you want active more for the last spot? Gabe Davis or Keon Coleman? That's really not even a question.

I'll play slight devil's advocate here... Eventually, Gabe will need to be brought up to the Main Roster. We've got 7 games left and he should be in the lineup every week. I don't think we should go 5 of those 7 games without him. Now it's probably more likely that someone will get injured and IR'ed from the room (hopefully not) or whomever we cut from the WR room to make room for him (Elijah Moore is the most likely candidate imo) will be brought back to the Practice Squad to replace him (ala Codrington to Hardman). However, in the unlikely event that everyone stays healthy, someone claims who we cut to make room for Davis, or whomever we cut wants to go to another team's Practice Squad - we'll have an open veteran Practice Squad spot that we'll likely want to use on a WR. As we'll have brought up Davis and Hardman and will be down to just Wilkerson on the PS. At that point, anyone we'd bring in would be something that would be scoffed at as everyone is reacting to OBJ. Allen Robinson or Nelson Agholar? Bring back someone like Deone Harty, Isaiah McKenzie, or Stephen Gosnell? I could see a scenario where OBJ's Super Bowl experience and experience in general was looked at as the best option in a break glass in case of emergency Practice Squad situation. Is it likely? No. A number of things would have to happen. But as a Practice Squad guy, I wouldn't be opposed if things fell a certain way. If it's something like the options above or OBJ - I'd give him a shot.

2024 honestly hasn't shaped up to be a great class for a lot of teams. Especially those outside the Top 25 picks or so. It was considered to be an all time WR class. But that was more about the guys at the top and the sheer volume. Outside of the top 4 guys - most WR's that followed have been a disappointment thus far. This tweet kind of puts things into perspective on how we're not alone with having a disappointing 2024 class: If you take a look at the selections, hits are few and far between after Round 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_NFL_draft

I actually forgot that Shavers was signed in 2023. I was originally going to say this doesn't make a lot of sense bc all the examples you used were one in which a player selected at a later point in the same Draft superceded another at the same position Drafted earlier. And that didn't really fit bc Shavers wasn't Drafted at all. Add in the fact that they weren't even in the same class and the comparison doesn't really work at all.

We don't have to worry about that until 2027. He's already under contract for next year.

This is, again, a very long list. Here's hoping most of the ELEVEN Limited's can get a Full in. If we have too many guys out, we may be in a situation where we can't afford to activate Gabe Davis over a healthy Keon Coleman - as we'll need both spots for bodies we're missing.

Huh? I get people like Shavers, his work ethic, and are disappointed in Coleman. There's good will towards Shavers and not towards Coleman right now. I get that. But let's not rewrite history... Shavers had a single catch all last year from Mitch Trubisky in Garbage time. It was a cool TD when the other team had given up. But that's the grand total of his contributions prior in "the last two years". And up until Sunday, while being active for all 9 games prior just like Coleman, he had a grand total of 7 catches for 81 yards in all 9 games *combined*. Even as disappointing as Coleman has been this year, Shavers was even more invisible. And Shavers performance was good. But it wasn't better than Coleman's Week 1. Right now, Shavers is the better option bc he's going about the work the right way and isn't missing meetings. And it was a good outing this week. But saying he's been the "much, much better player than Coleman" is completely inaccurate. I don't want to make it seem like I'm sh-tting on Shavers. Again, it was a solid performance. But people need to relax. It was one solid performance in 10 games. Before that game he showed to be a solid blocker a decent Special Teams player, but a guy who wasn't getting open or making plays when he was on the field. Hopefully, he can build off of the Tampa game. But saying he could be the Stevie Johnson to Keon Coleman's James Hardy, talking about him in the same breath as Kyle Williams and Christian Benford at other positions, and other posters comparing him to Hall of Famers... it's out of control. Take a breath - it was 1 game in 10. We need to see a lot more before we can be saying things like that. Right now, until he shows more, the more apt comparison is Robert Foster. And Robert Foster showed more than Shavers in quicker fashion.

Thank you. Between how Hardman did on our opening return and how Davis did after when they kicked away from him - that was more incredibly poor Special Teams coverage than it was Ray Davis being some kind of elite return man.

Theoretically, I believe he could. But it would be kind of unheard of for a player to turn down active roster money for a Practice Squad paycheck. Especially since he can only be activated 2 more times over the next 7 games. So he'd have to be willing to potentially only play 2 games over the next 7 and be paid Practice Squad money for 5 of those weeks versus guaranteed active roster money the rest of the way. Ultimately, we need him the rest of the way and I don't think they'd put him in a position to turn down more guaranteed money for less from us. I'm pretty sure that they'd just put him on the roster right away if someone tried to sign him, as that would be the right thing to do.

Mecole won't be cut. There's video of him limping after the fumble, showing his sitting after the turnover wasn't a punishment: In McDermott's Post Game presser, he praised both Hardman for the 61 yard return at the beginning of the game and Beane for signing him. So he seemed pleased with what he saw from him, the fumble and drop withstanding: If he felt he performed so poorly that he needed to be cut, I have to imagine he would have focused not on the positive, but the negative. And ultimately, as others have said, one bad play and a drop in his first ever game since being signed to the active roster and playing less than a week removed from being on the couch, isn't enough to wash their hands of them. That said, he was a DNP at Practice today. So it's possible the calf injury may have him on the shelf this week.