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Exactly. The Chargers were 4-12 and 5-11 in the previous 2 years before he took over. In 2016, they were towards the bottom of the NFL in D, and that was with a good pass rush. He did in LA what he did with the Bills' O in 2016. He built on what he had and improved on some things. I was really surprised how well he handled himself after taking over as OC in Buffalo, happily surprised. When you look at HIS process, I'm not surprised he's doing well.

eh, Kansas has been looking for a HC ever since they fired Mark Mangino. Up and comer Turner Gill The name recognition of Charlie Weis another up and comer in Beatty Their back to the name. People actually thought Turner Gill was going to be an improvement over Mangino. I still laugh about that.

This is why I don't see him as a "reach", no matter where our pick ends up. There might be people that downgrade him because he's not 6'8" and 330lbs, but I don't see him getting dropped on his butt or being rocked back very often. His technique and his footwork are..rare. Many positives, few things to work on, and the positives are things that many OL will never get, no matter the amount of experience they have. If he tests out in the draft process like he plays, he's going to be coveted. Problems with OL coming out of college these days are well documented. The chances are pretty slim of finding one in later rounds this good. This is why they become a premium for teams wanting a bona fide offense. I know people are clamoring how stacked the defensive players are in this draft. Well that may be, but that doesn't mean the offensive side is completely devoid of talent. Its just not as plentiful. Which means, if you wait, you're probably going to see a pretty big drop off in talent. In Williams case, as I said before, if he tests like he plays, this wouldn't be taking a player who is a drop off in talent from other players similarly situated in the draft. In fact, we'd be lucky if he was there when we picked.

That's the way it usually is though..the big boards usually stack the top 20 or so with defensive players. As someone else said, its not the way the draft often goes. take a look at their 2017 Big board. https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/22/nfl-draft-2017-big-board-prospects-player-rankings Only 3 players from offense in their top 10. By draft time, 6 of the top 10 picks were on the O. If I was gm, I'd be thrilled to see a board like that...or more importantly, for the teams ahead of me pick like that. I'd know I'd have the pick of the offensive players.

and the banjo!

And the fiddle.

Please tell me he didn't say "fully pregnant".

That can't be stressed enough. Contrary to popular belief, very few people are adjudged incompetent to stand trial in a criminal case. Even fewer are given involuntary injections of antipsychotic medication. The upbringing, the fall from his high status, and the post football rejections are all stressors, even extreme stressors. But when they are applied to his mental state, it usually ends in...well..

Its worse.... ‘Just ask for it,’ Randi said. ‘I know you want it.’ Patrick wouldn’t. So she asked for the ketchup and slipped it to him.” He's a sneak steak and ketchup type of person, who uses his own mother to support his habit. I don't like where this is heading for him.

Nah, its not that revisionist. Or its only revisionist for those who didn't think he'd amount to much. Because they couldn't see past the footwork, they'd overlook the accuracy he has. Because of the system he was in, they overlooked his playmaking ability..especially his ability to improvise. It goes on and on. Well, you were wrong about him. More importantly, McD was ...well..horribly wrong. Accept it. It doesn't matter where Todd McShay might have had him rated, or where some kid from SBNation might have had him rated. To Andy Reid, he was actually a generational talent. He's said so. If Bruce Arians is to be believed, and I don't doubt him, he also wanted him. I think he's said something like, he'd still have his job today. NO wanted him. He was to be Drew Brees' successor. If you notice something about those three franchises. Three places that know the value of a good QB. Three places/people that don't take a QB high very often. Three places/people that saw things in him that the amateurs didn't see. Teams that knew QB's wanted him. THOSE are the ratings that matter. Not the ratings that come off some fan blog or the lips of a Mel Kiper.

He has an MBA from Pitt. but I'm sure he wouldn't have found an entry level job that pays 500-600k per year. He made some quick money, now he can use his MBA to his advantage.

I agree with the ego driven attitude, and going forward with the offense expect a Rex Ryan "fully pregnant" plan. *hearing strains of Sinatra singing My Way. I'd have no problem with them bringing in an offensive mind to engineer this silly rebuild of the offense. In fact, I'd applaud them. I just don't see it happening.

Well, even if you're talking about building a running game first, um...they were handed the NFL's best running game when they took over. -A running game that averaged over 5 yards per carry, despite being at the top of the NFL in attempts; -A running game that scored 29 TDs; -A running game in which the left side of the OL was leading the league in yards before contact; -A running game that produced a whopping 27 TDs. So if that was their goal...um...I'm not sure what needed to be "rebuilt" or why they think they were going to improve it. I mean damn, they could have found an old playbook laying around from the last guy. A classic case of fixing what isn't broken. To be honest, I think that deep down, there was an attitude of "all we have to do is give the ball to Shady" thing going on in their heads. Too bad it isn't that easy. Going forward, his interview gave me the same feeling as I just stated with the running game, a gross oversimplification of the problem. When asked about the depth of the offense's production, his response was basically "What do you expect, we're starting a young QB! Look at other teams with young QB's!" Well I hate to tell you this lil guy, but the offense has problems that go far beyond QB. And if you think its just a matter of giving him more experience, you're sadly mistaken. You've created an offense where an Andy Reid or Bill Walsh would have difficulty in putting back together. And considering after 2 years, you haven't improved a single position on the offense (Allen is an unknown at present), and have made most worse...much worse in some cases, I don't have high hopes for the future. Well, at least they aren't heart surgeons attempting their first heart transplant. No one is going to die at least.

Oh, with Mahomes, it isn't so much the stats. As I watch the Big 12 on a weekly basis, you're always watching a QB with gaudy stats. And that's especially true with TT QB's. He almost had to overcome that to get drafted. You had to figure out what made him different than a Bryce Petty, or a Geno Smith and couldn't just take the stats at face value. To me, it was the LSU bowl game in his soph. year. They were twisting, stunting, blitzing and rarely giving him 2 seconds in the pocket. But he'd run, dodge, throw across his body, but he'd hit a guy 15-20 yards downfield, putting the ball right where it needed to be. If you watch the "Mahomes vs. LSU tape on youtube, there is a season worth of highlights from just that game. That game said to me...he's got something. My memory goes back a ways, and it reminded me of the first time I saw Brees play in college.

If that's the definition, it would be stripping the offense of talent so they can draft a DE next spring. *puts head in hands and weeps. But actually, I think they stripped it for the sake of stripping it, and had no idea how badly they overestimated their offensive talent evaluation skills.

Yes, he was and it was a really nice surprise, considering how little experience he had in designing a game plan. One of the smartest things he did, and it can't be stressed enough...he went with what had worked and improved on it. He saw that Greg Roman's playbook for the running game was working, it needed refinement. Much of the refinement came in from just getting the plays in the huddle on time. But he knew the team could run the ball and didn't try to screw things up by changing the system. Then we had Dennison, who changed to a stretch play dominant offense because....he never ran another offense and had no desire to learn another. Lynn doesn't run the same playbook in LA now because he has different personnel and it would be foolish to waste Rivers' talents. There's a reason Lynn is a head coach now, and that his team is successful.

Im not seeing the parallel to the Carolina example. The Panthers were worst in the NFL in scoring the year before Cam got there. In his rookie year, they finished the year at 5th in scoring. If you're projecting to next year, I hope so, but there is nothing to indicate a turnaround is coming. And I'm not sure what McD had to do with either of those O's. Sigh. The 2016 team had 46 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D. The 2015 team had 42 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D. This year's team, in year 2 of some silly "rebuild" has...8 so far. They'll have to step up their game to reach 16. Now, how many years will it take on this rebuild to gat back to scoring between 40 and 45 offensive TD's? 3, 5, 10?

I smile because I still use one at times on the weekend. The Revere ware pot in which my mother made my dad's morning coffee for years. With a shot glass to cover the spout. I know, I know you're not supposed to. But do it right and it doesn't burn or turn bitter. And nothing beats the aroma, no matter what brand of coffee you use. It fills the house. And invariably when someone stops over on a Sat. morning, I'll hear "Damn, Jimmy, this is some serious gourmet *****. Me and Vince would have been happy with freeze dried Folgers and you spring this serious gourmet ***** on us.'" Anyway, to your original post, I like this: http://www.bluejazzjava.com/rimshot-blend-2-lb/ Nice, distinct flavor, no bitterness. I haven't tried their espresso.

so there's no more "One Voice", "One Buffalo" "One Opinion" or "One Side" or whatever it was? Damn, I'm going to miss that.

Its difficult enough for someone who's good at offense to rebuild, an Andy Reid when you strip all of its talent, a guy who knows what to look for in an offensive player and knows his vision for the offense. Its exponentially more difficult when you're trying to do it with 2 rookie talent evaluators, with no track record, whose forte is the other side of the ball. Starting with the D first makes it that much worse. Carrying the "we want our guys" just adds more to the steep hill they've chosen to climb. "We know better than everyone else" makes it pretty insurmountable. A few extra late round draft choices aren't going to help this offense. These guys aren't going to be picking up many late round gems for the O. Nor will a ton of cap space, when they haven't shown the ability to identify talent on that side of the ball. And you're right...it didn't need to be like this. Out of the "rebuilds" on the O, this might have been one of the easier ones for the drought teams. They chose the most difficult path.

Oh, I am thinking. And am calm. I'm just not the one trying to compare Nick Bosa to Bruce. Objectively, I'd say I'm the one typing with the calm mind.

lol.. Bruce had 22 sacks in one year and 16 in another while in college. That was at a time when teams threw about a half to two thirds of the passes they throw today. Most NFL LT's couldn't handle Bruce one on one. Good college OT's handle Bosa. People get a little crazy with their hyperbole. Its odd. McD is to be forgiven for passing over not 1 but 2 QB's who are now tearing up the league right now...but it would be some type of mortal sin to pass up a DE who had a whopping 8.5 sacks in his best year. And people wonder why we have the worst O in the league by far. It isn't hard to figure out.

Well, we don't have to worry about that. There's no Bruce Smith in this draft.

If he thinks this was their biggest mistake....

There are enough analogies for what they've done to the offense. The young roofing contractor you hire who decides to rip apart the HVAC system, leaving AC and furnace parts scattered all over the basement as he tries to gerry rig it back together; The computer geek you hired to design a website, who decides to fool around with your OS, screwing it up royally. The mechanic you hire for engine work, but he takes it on himself to rebuild your transmission, never having worked on one, much less rebuild one. And now with tranny parts all over the garage, he keeps trying to jam in salvage yard parts. Based on what they had on O, this could have been one of the easiest "rebuilds" for a Bills O in recent memory. They chose the path of most resistance, for a task that neither has ever attempted. Well, that would be my parents, since they brought me into the world, and like most Bills' fans, its part of our DNA. My dad's been gone for 30 years and my mom is in her 80's, so I'm not beating her, or biting her.