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Edit -- Never mind -- Cincy loses 2 of 3 they end up 7-5 like us. Sorry 'bout that.

I think you are correct. I also realized this when I read Ozymandius' Week 16 post. More good news for Buffalo! I've again edited my original post with this info. Thx.

I've edited my original post with the correct info so as to keep this lean.

I stand corrected -- good for Buffalo in this case!

You are correct!

Here's the relevant information ... Current win-loss records are (Overall/Division/Conference) Week #15: Cincy (8-5/4-1/6-3) @ Indy Week #16: KC (7-7/3-2/3-7) at Oak Balt at Pit (7-7/2-2/4-6) NE at Jax (8-6/2-4/5-5) Tenn (7-7/4-2/4-6) at Buf (7-7/3-3/5-5) Cincy at Den (8-6/3-3/7-4) NYJ (8-6/3-2/5-5) at Mia Week #17: Buf at Balt Jax at KC NE at Tenn Oak at NYJ Pit at Cincy SF at Den Buf with KC, Pit, Cincy or Den (no head-to-head games) Buf with Jax, Tenn, & NYJ (head-to-head considered) TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken. 1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker. 2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps. Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head, if applicable. 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. 4. Strength of victory. 5. Strength of schedule. 6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best net points in conference games. 9. Best net points in all games. 10. Best net touchdowns in all games. 11. Coin toss. Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.) 1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants. 2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in conference games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss Buf must defeat Tenn & Balt to finish 9-7 NYJ must lose to Mia if Buf is to finish above NYJ Cincy must lose 2 of 3 Buf is to finish above Cincy Den must lose to Cincy & SF if Buf is to finish above Den Den wins tiebreaker with Buffalo based on common games Both Buf & Den would be 9-7/3-3/7-5, but in common opponents: Den & Buf both played NE, Balt, Indy & SD: Den over NE (Buf lost to NE twice) Den over Balt (TBD) Indy over Den (Buf lost to Indy) SD over Den (twice) (Buf lost to SD) Den is 2-3 in common games while Buf would be 1-4 (assuming Buf win over Balt) Jax Must lose 1 of 2 to either NE or KC if Buf is to finish above Jax Really doesn't matter to Buffalo which one they lose. Even if Pit defeats both Balt & Cincy, Buf still finishes above Pit base on conf. %) Even if KC defeats both Oak & Jax, Buf still finishes above KC based on conf. %) Therefore, these are the possible scenarios for a Buf playoff berth (with help from Ozymandius & Koufax): 1. Buf defeats Tenn & Balt NYJ lose to Mia Jax loses 1 of 2 Cincy loses to Indy, Den, & Pit (Den 5th, Buf 6th) 2. Buf defeats Tenn & Balt NYJ lose to Mia Jax loses 1 of 2 Den loses to Cincy & SF (Cincy 5th, Buf 6th) 3. Buf defeats Tenn & Balt NYJ lose to Mia Jax loses 1 of 2 Cincy loses to Indy, Den, & Pit (Den 5th, Buf 6th) 3b. Same as above exceptg Cincy beats Pit. Buf might take Cincy on Strength of Victory tiebreaker (see Oxymandius post). 4. Buf defeats Tenn & Balt NYJ lose to Mia KC defeats Oak & Jax Den loses to Cincy (Cincy 5th, Buf 6th) KC takes Denver in Division tie-breaker, Buf takes KC in Conf. tie-breaker Here's two ways Buffalo picks up 5th seed! ... 5. Buf defeats Tenn & Balt NYJ lose to Mia Cincy loses to Indy, defeats Den, loses to Pit Den loses to SF (& loses to Cincy as described above) Jax loses 1 of 2) (Buf 5th!) 6. Buf defeats Tenn & Balt NYJ lose to Mia Cincy loses to Indy, defeats Den, loses to Pit Den defeats SF KC defeats Oak & Jax (Buf 5th!) KC takes Denver in Division tie-breaker, Buf takes KC in Conf. tie-breaker. Buf likely wins Strength of Victory tie-breaker against Cincy (see Oxymandius post). There may be some other scenarios that would involve games ending in ties, but I think these are the most likely scenarios.

Let's see -- last time we traded a quarterback to Oakland that went well -- for Oakland! (I realize the article is about a street in Buffalo -- just a commentary on my part)

Nice to see that Marv had all of the "what if" scenarios handled so well! "Who needs a stinkin' Plan B, our guy will be there!" Here's hoping Marv knows something we don't -- that's all I can say about that.

I say we just become a dirty team -- load up with Conrad Dobler types and take out all of the "power" franchises top players and level the playing field!

Well, I think that the writer makes some valid points. As I said in another posting, maybe Buffalo wouldn't be such a small market if it wasn't for greedy, small-minded politicians being up to their eyeballs in corruption and creating misguided taxes to drive both businesses and individuals out of the area. Sure, a lot of folks cannot take the weather, but that's not the only reason people leave. Many leave because there just aren't great numbers of good paying jobs and New York has heavy income taxes and our local "leaders" stuff their pockets with cash while local governments go broke. Buffalo would be a text-book case in a course called "How to create a small market 101". Drive everyone away and you have a small market. Let's attract people and business back to Buffalo and dump all of the needless misguided taxes and move back to at least a middle-market city that CAN support a NFL franchise WITHOUT revenue sharing!

Hey, here's a thought -- how 'bout the local politicians stop sucking the life blood out of the people in the form of misguided taxes and corruption and thus making Buffalo economically attractive to businesses and individuals, thus changing our small-market status to perhaps at least a mid-market status because people will actually want to live here! Oh sorry -- too logical.

I have to second that opinion. Farve will finish his career a Packer.

Who cares -- time to move on and forget about him. Won't he count against the cap NEXT season too if we keep him another season? It's just nonsense even talking about it. It's time to cut him loose and be done with it. Ever since his little tantrum in Miami I don't want this guy around anyhow and he's been overrated most of his career anyhow.

Good riddance Moulds! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Unfortunately, unlike with Tom Donahoe, other team's GMs do not make personnel decisions based on their fan's message boards, so it's really irrelevant what has been discovered on the boards. Nor does Marv Levy give a rat's ass about what is on this message board -- and that is probably a good thing.

He'll go to Miami where he'll become a perennial pro-bowler and haunt the Bills year-after-year! Nah, here's hoping he goes off with some NFC team to have a decent career, but never good enough to make the Bills second-guess his release!

Can't help but think that Reed will discover his hands on another team. He's been one of those "potential" guys for 3 or 4 years now. Just when you think he might be turning the corner and becoming a reliable target, he slips back again. He finished somewhat strong in the 2nd hald of the '05 season. Kind of hate to just see him walk away, but he's never really lived up to his billing. Just concenred he'll catch on fire with some other team.

Shouldn't be grounds to remove him from his profession. Stupid rule anyhow.

I understand your point, but Buffalo built a perennial Super Bowl team when there was no salary cap (cap didn't kick in until '93-'94). What's different now that they can't do that again?

Ever see some employees in a Wal-Mart in redneck country? This is a fair question!

I'll bet the PAT resulted in a 30-minute brawl!

I've often wondered if Bills players post on this board masquerading as fans. It's kind of funny really. I can see JP sitting down at his desk and typing, "So, what do you all think about JP?" or Nate Clements typing, "You know, I really don't think they should franchise Clements".

Somehow, I don't see Cox as coaching material. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see him being successful in coaching.

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Buffalo=No Vision. Won't happen. Too bad.