Kelly to Allen

I'm going to keep saying it What is the narrative going to be when Allen obliterates KC in the AFC championship in Buffalo and then Allen would be 5-2 vs mahomes since 21 lol

Again this isn't the NBA where one guy can completely take over. By this logic of saying " mahomes has advanced more therefore I put more value into that" makes no sense. Rex Grossman" advanced " further than Warren Moon and Dan fouts. You need to give a much more exhaustive context. Ring counting for QBs in the NFL doesn't make sense. Again nobody thinks dilfer or hostetler are better than Marino. That's an extreme example but that's fundamentally what you're saying Just count all the games in the playoffs and regular season since 2020 And head to head And then what is the trend head to head To me that's more nuanced than just not counting playoff games or saying you didn't advance

I can't hold Superbowls against Allen right now because it's too much of a team sport. The colts, ravens, Patriots, and Steelers all had top ten defenses in points allowed The Patriots in 21 had the number 2 ranked defense and Allen had the only perfect playoff game in NFL history 7 possessions, 7 tds, no turnovers, kneel down....

You can count it a few ways that would be fair. Just count the playoff games. Once you start not counting playoff games you lose the argument. You can count their first specific rounds. mahomes has been a little better. With 5 more tds You can can count head to head overall You can count head to head are both teams and the environment has been close. Somewhere around 2020-2021 almost everyone would agree the bills surrounding program got close to what KC was back in 18-19. The head to head since 2020 is literally even. 4-4 and equal stats passing. Since 2021 Allen has pulled ahead when going against mahomes overall. But you can do something even easier and extremely fair Let's just count all the regular season and playoffs numbers together since 2020. Again they are virtually equal here too. Mahomes has like 6 more passing touchdowns and Allen has like 30 more total tds Allen has a passer rating of 98 Mahomes is like 100.5 if I'm not mistaken If Allen is pulling ahead since 21 , with better numbers head to head Going 4-2 vs mahomes And with equal overall playoff passer rating, but Allen is doing this without Andy Reid, to me that speaks volumes....

By this logic rex Grossman or Trent dilfer have more equity or value because " they advanced"... Your argument also doesn't make sense because the actual level of specific competition would be the defense Allen or mahomes is facing in the playoffs, not the necessary round. It's also a bizzare point because a wildcard team could literally be a better team hypothetically on paper. It's also weird because Allen would have a bye week in 2020, 2022, and 2023... They changed the rules

Wait what? You're literally not counting Allen's playoff games lol, and you're talking about manipulation. Also mahomes wasn't a rookie in 18. Allen was. It's very very simple Allen and Mahomes have almost identical playoff numbers in their first ten playoff games. Head to head is very close but with Allen creating a good lead since 21 The wildcard thing you're trying to say is weird The 2 seed used to get a bye week. But why are you literally manipulating the stats by not counting Allen's playoff games lol. It's weird Allen since 21 is 4-2 vs mahomes He has 17 tds 2 int Mahomes has 14 tds 8 int. So basically for your argument to work You don't want to count Allen's playoff games You don't want to count head to head And you don't want to count head to head as both QBs surrounding infrastructure has equalized... 😂 But something something super bowls. Yes it's Allen's fault his wrs couldn't catch a football last year and his head coach lost his mind in 13 seconds and not cover anyone. It's also convenient to leave out missing our all pros. Get a grip

Allen is 2-2 vs Lamar, with a win in the playoffs over Lamar

They weren't more talented than buffalo in 21.

Huh??? These are all from pro football reference Mahomes in his first 5 division Rd or further playoff games Is 13 passing touchdowns and 2 int Allen in his first 5 division Rd or further 8 passing touchdowns and 2 int Allen and Mahomes again have virtually identical playoff numbers and passing stats in their first ten playoff games... Mahomes 25-4 Allen 21-4 in passing tds to int Not sure why you're counting volume stats in playoff games Allen hasn't played in. It's like a RB having more tds because he obviously played in more games lol This isn't hard Allen in the playoffs has a higher td% and lower int% since 2020. Allen has the second most tds in NFL playoff history for a QB in his first ten playoff games. Mahomes is number 1 with like 3 more tds

Totally fair. We lost tre white, Matt Milano and von Miller to season ending injury along with Allen hurting his elbow in 22. None of that happened to KC. In 21 with a healthy number 1 CB, Jerry Hughes and no Milano, we blew them out in arrowhead In 22 with no number 1 CB but a healthy Von Miller and Milano we beat them again in arrowhead In 23 with no Milano, no healthy Von and Douglas we beat them again in arrowhead In 24 with a number one CB in Benford, a healthy Von and healthy Bernard we won by two scores ( not counting Allen's turnover and missed extra point) and Kelce has 2 catches for 8 yards.... Context matters and nobody is winning trophies without your core all pro players

We've been the better team and Josh Allen has been the better QB since 21. Injury to key players and 13 seconds is the only reason anyone thinks otherwise

It's the best oline since the Superbowl years with Spencer Brown being great imo. Spencer Brown reminds me of Jimbo covert

No. Mahomes in his first 5 div rd or further playoff games has 13 passing touchdowns and 2 int 16 total tds and 2 tos Allen and Mahomes first 10 playoff games are virtually identical with both being 1 and 2 in many categories Allen is now 4-2 vs mahomes since 21 with better overall numbers statistically like passing touchdowns Total tds and passer rating, EPA etc

Yeah I just looked it up Both burrow and Allen have played in 5 div rd or further playoff games Allen has 8 passing touchdowns and 2 int Burrow has 6 passing touchdowns and 4 int Allen has 11 total tds and 2 total turnovers Burrow is the same 6 to 4

If you take out all of Allens wildcard rounds He still has the same playoff numbers as burrow if I'm not mistaken Similar passer rating Passing touchdowns Passing touchdown % EPA Qbr Int% Y/a

Allen and Mahomes have almost identical playoff numbers in their first ten playoff games....

Do you think KC wouldve won if Chris Jones was coming off a torn ACL in his first year back Karlafiltis returned from a torn pec but not 100% No nick Bolton No chenal Willie gay does play but with a bad shoulder separation No McDuffie Sneed plays limping with a sprained knee. And no MVS It's okay to admit KC has gotten lucky with attrition and buffalo simply hasn't It doesn't invalidate KC being champions. It just gives context to the journey

Buffalo is not losing another game imo. The 49ers are going to get destroyed Like I said in the other thread, buffalo is going to win out big, then go full 1989 49ers in the playoffs and completely eviscerate everyone.

Chiefs last 4 @ browns Texans @ Steelers @ Denver 3 of those games around Christmas are within 10 of each other...

The chiefs have a weird ending in their schedule. They have a short week and play Saturday They then play on Wed , Christmas day 4 days later. Then they have a flex game TBD. I think KC loses 3 games this year. If they just drop one of Carolina, the raiders or the chargers, then 4 losses is very possible... 3 games in 10 days is insane. Especially when the competition in their last 3 games is much harder. Texans Steelers @ Denver broncos

KC won't be able to stack the box when we are fully healthy and operating at full capacity. They'll have to do some zone and two high. They have to hope we make a mistake basically... If they try that same man press in the playoffs and blitzing when everyone is up and running, it will be like the jags game earlier this year. They will get run off the field and the game over at halftime.

Brady/ Kromer haven't shown everything in the run game yet. Come playoff time it will be unleashed But I respect your opinion.

What an absolute waste of talent if the Bengals miss the playoffs. I still think we would win against them in the playoffs because their defense is not the same but still. Burrow is awesome and their wrs are elite

I saw multiple times Torrence was one on one with Chris Jones and Torrence completely destroyed him. Completely stonewalled big Chris Jones. Jones won a couple matchups but I was impressed. We will generate a better run game once Spencer Brown is back.

We are the most talented and deepest team in the NFL