Kelly to Allen

I rank him as probably the greatest QB that's ever lived. Older ppl say Montana, even older say Untias or Sammy Baugh. The 3 QBs that looked the most aesthetic imo are Marino, Moon and Rodgers.

It's on the table that Peyton Manning is the greatest QB that's ever lived. Nobody would think you're weird for saying that. Putting Lamar in that conversation is just not based in reality. I wouldn't even put Allen in that conversation. Josh Allen could win MVP, win the super bowl, win super bowl MVP and I still wouldn't put him in the conversation with Peyton Manning.

I'm not sold the ravens have a better roster. That argument is kinda ridiculous. @C.Biscuit97 is correct that a lot of the bills roster is extremely underrated.

Peyton Manning in his 4th and 5th playoff game had insane all time numbers passing. I can't take this conversation seriously because it's incredibly disrespectful to a QB like Peyton Manning. It's ridiculous There was no question about Peyton Manning as a passer by year 2. There are still serious philosophical questions about a RPO dependent QB. There's questions about sustainability because obviously the athletic ability falls off quickly in your late 20s and there are also serious questions about the effectiveness of an offense that is either out of structure too much, or not foundational to a QB running and putting the defense in conflict. There's also questions about durability although I think that's the most overblown concern. Most QBs get hurt getting hit awkwardly in the pocket In the afc championship vs KC and vs buffalo both defenses sold out vs the run and Lamar couldn't function in layman's terms. The narrative last year in year 6 was why didn't Lamar just run more? If the narrative is your QB needs to pass less in the biggest moments, I think that's a problem and raises questions. It's not hating, nobody is saying he's not really good especially being a dual threat qb. If you're asking me do I trust 5 other qbs more than Lamar in the playoffs? Yes I do Again, the truth will reveal itself in the playoffs I apologize if I came across as too confrontational The question is can you be trusted as a high volume passer in the playoffs when teams know you must pass. Within structure.... Not reductively that because a random qb throws for 4000 yds, therefore he's good lol. Derek Carr has passed for 4000 yds, heck Winston threw for 5000....nobody thinks they're anything close to Stafford. You're being pedantic

If Lamar is what you think it will manifest in the playoffs. Saying if he wins the Superbowl is the same thing we heard with another rpo dependent QB in Cam Newton. Calling a QB top 5 who has been terrible in the playoffs is silly. Jim Kelly in his second and third playoff was an all time great. His 1990 playoff is incredible...We need to live in reality

Peyton Manning was almost perfect and had two all time playoff performances as a passer in 2003. Peyton Manning had nothing to prove as a passer within a traditional offense by year 2. Lamar is still answering these questions. It's also completely ridiculous to bring up Peyton Manning because Manning is probably the greatest passing QB of all time in the regular season. I don't even put Allen in his tier yet. Allen may never get there...One could argue Peyton Manning might be the greatest ever. Stop the silliness Lamar is in year 7 and has been terrible in the playoffs, especially as a passer and is still looking for his first 4000 yd passing season. He's still RPO dependent. The best you can say about Lamar is he has been a really good dual threat QB in a RPO/ zone read foundation that has stalled out in the playoffs. He has improved enough as a passer playing within structure that he could break through. That's what he is right now

Dorian Williams is for the run defense against the ravens. Bernard/ Milano for Kelce in the playoffs. Bernard was absolutely sensational vs Kelce in the regular season

Let's go 🔥

If Jackson is/was truly a top 5 QB, we would've seen it in the playoffs by now... The media has decided he is so I guess we'll see in the playoffs in year 7

Trent dilfer went 10-1 or something in 2000. Mahomes was very meh in the first half of the year. KC defense has been excellent the past two years. And was instrumental in the playoffs last year. It's why I'm picking buffalo to destroy everyone in the playoffs. Allen was really the only QB to put up 30 on them in a long time and did it with a b- c+ game

It's two days before the super bowl.

I've said it before and for me I'm going to judge the defense and McDermott in the playoffs. So we'll see. I personally think they're going to destroy everyone. But who knows

They're resting guys as needed before the playoffs.

Past trauma particularly with McDermott's defense has set in massive PTSD in the buffalo sports consciousness. 13 seconds is like a Greek tragedy in everyone's mind One could argue our existence as Bills fans is basically a greek tragedy We're the red Sox or cubs for decades before they finally won a title. I am personally always asking, " how are they going to screw this up this time?" During the 13 seconds after Allen took the lead. I literally went outside and couldn't watch the game. I knew they were going to screw it up....

The media doesn't care. They threw those qualifiers out last year.

I think they got it for Allen as a message saying we don't care what the media decides, you're the MVP to us That's special

Stop being rational and making sense

The truth will come out in the playoffs. It's why sports is pure and great for the soul

Unless there's a precedent being followed anyone in the media can come up with whatever narrative and give the MVP to anyone. One could argue it should be Chris Jones with 5 sacks lol. Nick wright literally suggested it.... And because massive precedent was broken last year, and there's no criteria or guidelines for these accolades like MVP or the pro bowl etc, I have no clue what the voters will decide. Here's what I do know. If Allen doesn't win it this year, it's because they obviously don't want him to get the recognition. Ppl can get upset or try to be nice or whatever. Ppl can be cowards and say " oh I love both QBs, can't we just enjoy both "like Aaron Quinn is doing from cover 1. If he doesn't get the award this year , they don't want him to get it. We don't need to try to read between the lines or pretend we don't understand ...I'm fine with it because the truth always reveals itself in sports regardless of the narratives ppl want to spin. And I'm looking forward to Lamar coming to buffalo and we're going to see who's the best QB. I'm okay with whatever the results are. I know which QB is going to show up and I'll leave it at that

Playing elite defense in the regular season compared to the playoffs is different dramatically. We'll see how good Orr and the ravens defense is in Buffalo. I know what I think is going to happen.

Daquan dominated vs KC and Detroit. Are we sure this isn't him just pacing himself?

(All data) and it's a good amount, says that it's always " playoff Lamar". It's never been different Even in his 2 playoff wins, the most he has passed for is like 170 yds. There is no data that Lamar will suddenly be the high volume passer when it really matters in the playoffs. You can't hide your QB in the playoffs unless you're the 2000 ravens.

None of that matters in the playoffs. I see this as a common response here. Why? Lamar Jackson is terrible in the playoffs. To the point of being a massive liability. It's not like it's year 2 or 3. It's year 7.... Why do you think Lamar is suddenly going to turn into Dan Fouts in the playoffs? We've seen this story over and over again. I don't get it. Youll hear " but it's different this time". I mean I guess ? I just don't understand it. Too much data is in at this point. But hypothetically anything can happen i guess

It's common to still be developing in year 2-3.... They could still be a tough out in the playoffs possibly. But Stroud has regressed

Where the hell is the Steelers pass rush. WTF