Kelly to Allen

This is absurd. But everyone has their own opinion Mahomes is borderline the babe Ruth of the modern era. I don't understand why we can't just be honest. Yes Allen has a chance to take the lead possibly. But he has to actually do it. And that's just the beginning honestly. Allen to overtake mahomes would need to win MVP, beat mahomes in the playoffs, win the super bowl and super bowl MVP. Then next year he would need to once again be in the MVP conversation or beat mahomes again in the regular season. That in my mind would begin to change the consciousness on who's better and open up the window for that conversation. We can't just pretend that mahomes isn't in the AFC championship every single frickin year. We can't just pretend that he's not going for a 3 peat and 4th world championship There is incredible historical equity there that needs not just respect but reverence. Come on dude

Oh I know. I'm Saying going in specifically as a gm

Would rather just let Solomon get more pass rushing reps. But I'd be willing to give him a workout. You can never have enough pass rushers

That's not what I'm talking about

Truth will reveal itself in the playoffs.

I can't say he's the best until he beats mahomes in the playoffs and wins the Superbowl. That's how it's always been

Yes. There is a demarcation between the two but both are gold jacket QBs. Ozzie is going to get in the Hof as a GM imo

They're both gold jacket Legends

What will elevate Josh this year is if he wins MVP, wins the Superbowl and super bowl MVP, and beat burrow, Lamar, mahomes twice and Goff twice. That would be truly incredible

I rank him as probably the greatest QB that's ever lived. Older ppl say Montana, even older say Untias or Sammy Baugh. The 3 QBs that looked the most aesthetic imo are Marino, Moon and Rodgers.

It's on the table that Peyton Manning is the greatest QB that's ever lived. Nobody would think you're weird for saying that. Putting Lamar in that conversation is just not based in reality. I wouldn't even put Allen in that conversation. Josh Allen could win MVP, win the super bowl, win super bowl MVP and I still wouldn't put him in the conversation with Peyton Manning.

I'm not sold the ravens have a better roster. That argument is kinda ridiculous. @C.Biscuit97 is correct that a lot of the bills roster is extremely underrated.

Peyton Manning in his 4th and 5th playoff game had insane all time numbers passing. I can't take this conversation seriously because it's incredibly disrespectful to a QB like Peyton Manning. It's ridiculous There was no question about Peyton Manning as a passer by year 2. There are still serious philosophical questions about a RPO dependent QB. There's questions about sustainability because obviously the athletic ability falls off quickly in your late 20s and there are also serious questions about the effectiveness of an offense that is either out of structure too much, or not foundational to a QB running and putting the defense in conflict. There's also questions about durability although I think that's the most overblown concern. Most QBs get hurt getting hit awkwardly in the pocket In the afc championship vs KC and vs buffalo both defenses sold out vs the run and Lamar couldn't function in layman's terms. The narrative last year in year 6 was why didn't Lamar just run more? If the narrative is your QB needs to pass less in the biggest moments, I think that's a problem and raises questions. It's not hating, nobody is saying he's not really good especially being a dual threat qb. If you're asking me do I trust 5 other qbs more than Lamar in the playoffs? Yes I do Again, the truth will reveal itself in the playoffs I apologize if I came across as too confrontational The question is can you be trusted as a high volume passer in the playoffs when teams know you must pass. Within structure.... Not reductively that because a random qb throws for 4000 yds, therefore he's good lol. Derek Carr has passed for 4000 yds, heck Winston threw for 5000....nobody thinks they're anything close to Stafford. You're being pedantic

If Lamar is what you think it will manifest in the playoffs. Saying if he wins the Superbowl is the same thing we heard with another rpo dependent QB in Cam Newton. Calling a QB top 5 who has been terrible in the playoffs is silly. Jim Kelly in his second and third playoff was an all time great. His 1990 playoff is incredible...We need to live in reality

Peyton Manning was almost perfect and had two all time playoff performances as a passer in 2003. Peyton Manning had nothing to prove as a passer within a traditional offense by year 2. Lamar is still answering these questions. It's also completely ridiculous to bring up Peyton Manning because Manning is probably the greatest passing QB of all time in the regular season. I don't even put Allen in his tier yet. Allen may never get there...One could argue Peyton Manning might be the greatest ever. Stop the silliness Lamar is in year 7 and has been terrible in the playoffs, especially as a passer and is still looking for his first 4000 yd passing season. He's still RPO dependent. The best you can say about Lamar is he has been a really good dual threat QB in a RPO/ zone read foundation that has stalled out in the playoffs. He has improved enough as a passer playing within structure that he could break through. That's what he is right now

Dorian Williams is for the run defense against the ravens. Bernard/ Milano for Kelce in the playoffs. Bernard was absolutely sensational vs Kelce in the regular season

Let's go 🔥

If Jackson is/was truly a top 5 QB, we would've seen it in the playoffs by now... The media has decided he is so I guess we'll see in the playoffs in year 7

Trent dilfer went 10-1 or something in 2000. Mahomes was very meh in the first half of the year. KC defense has been excellent the past two years. And was instrumental in the playoffs last year. It's why I'm picking buffalo to destroy everyone in the playoffs. Allen was really the only QB to put up 30 on them in a long time and did it with a b- c+ game

It's two days before the super bowl.

I've said it before and for me I'm going to judge the defense and McDermott in the playoffs. So we'll see. I personally think they're going to destroy everyone. But who knows

They're resting guys as needed before the playoffs.

Past trauma particularly with McDermott's defense has set in massive PTSD in the buffalo sports consciousness. 13 seconds is like a Greek tragedy in everyone's mind One could argue our existence as Bills fans is basically a greek tragedy We're the red Sox or cubs for decades before they finally won a title. I am personally always asking, " how are they going to screw this up this time?" During the 13 seconds after Allen took the lead. I literally went outside and couldn't watch the game. I knew they were going to screw it up....

The media doesn't care. They threw those qualifiers out last year.

I think they got it for Allen as a message saying we don't care what the media decides, you're the MVP to us That's special