notpolian

I haven't re-watched the game, and given the holiday week probably won't. Watching the game it sure seemed the Pats threw to Elams side a lot more than Benfords. I read that Douglas said he could have played against Detroit. It'll be interesting if they put in more defensive starters against the Jets. Maybe it'll depend on the Steelers/Chiefs result this Wednesday and whether the #1 seed is even still in play by next Sunday.

Agree, look bad. Looks especially bad against the Patriots. I almost got confused which team was which at my advanced age.

Maybe I missed this in other threads, but I have an honest question from yesterdays game. Has the coaching staff or anyone else indicated why Spector was starting instead of Williams? Does Williams still have a lingering injury? I know opinions vary on a lot of topics on this site and elsewhere (it's ok, kinda fun with all the highly engaged fans), but I don't think I'm stepping out too far on a limb to say that Williams is better than Spector. My not so hot take might be Spector is in the running for least effective player on a not too effective defense lately...

I almost went into shock when he actually made a spin move yesterday. It worked for at least a pressure anyway. I hadn't thought about the obvious point someone brought up about not being able to bend with the lingering effects of his knee injury. That's a major issue.

Yeah I'm totally with you on the #1 seed, I just have little hope it'll happen. The Bills should win both if they play better than yesterday. However I just don't see KC losing to Pittsburgh and Denver the way this year has gone. KC has been really lucky and they are super clutch when needed. The biggest things are I don't want to play Cincinnati (unlikely) in the wild card and am definitely not at all looking forward to Baltimore (likely) in the divisional round.

Yup, changes need to happen for the Bills to have a good chance in the playoffs. There are always bounces and strange things that can happen in any one game, but beating 4 good teams in a row is almost impossible with a defense like this.

Pats played a lot of man coverage. We were fortunate on turnovers. Very ugly. But it was a W.

Can't even turn his head around most plays and continues to be grabby. Pretty clear why he's been inactive many weeks.

Sure Andreesen can't be worse than Spector? Time to send a message IMO.

This is the worst defense I've seen in a while. Spector is useless. Von can't finish anything. Zone is getting killed. Early blitzes ineffective.

JV defense

My parents used to have one of those really big thermos type things. They used to put the cans of beer and flasks of booze in there during the first several years at Rich Stadium. I remember the crowd was always pretty hammered. One year we played the Colts with QB Bert Jones. A guy near us seemed to only be able to say "Hurt Bert" every few minutes. Childhood memories to be savored.

I was at that game. My first game, I was 6. I was in a full "snowmobile suit" as we called them back then. Serious pia to take a leak while wearing one of those. I don't remember any guns. I do remember it was a tie however.

Bills 33 Pats 17

A couple more thoughts. I think given his long career and tremendous production, Bruce is a proven all time great player. Allen doesn't have the longevity or records yet, but he is very much the MVP to his team and probably the whole NFL this year. I don't know that any defensive player could be MVP in the modern NFL. Bruce was one of the best ever at his position. Allen may end up there. P.S. I will gladly contribute to a statue fund if they win the SB with him at QB. I also remember the whole stadium yelling "Juice, Juice, Juice!!". Pretty exciting stuff for a 3rd or 4th grader who got to go to one game a year...