RJ (not THAT RJ)

That is all rotoworld ever does, or KFFL for that matter. It just seems fresher when they quote papers from other towns that Bills fans do not read regularly.

But Brian won his only start, 6-3 in OT over the Giants. Throw out the stats. He just wins!

Dennis was a disaster, even if he was Rookie of the Year in 1970, beating out Calvin Hill, believe it or not... One could also see Dennis in the Kelsay mode if one wanted, since the Bills drafted him only a year after drafting James Harris as a possible QB of the future. Harris had one disadvantage in the eyes of many in the Bills' brain trust, though... one related to his coming from Grambling. All that being said, Shaw's horrid stats were also the fault of John "I'm an offensive genius, so I will use OJ as a decoy" Rauch. But we can save that discussion for the "worst coach of all time" thread....

Well that can't be true, obviously, since Dawgg has proclaimed anything other than his mindless negativity to be naive....

Even though Crow gave an interview after the end of the season that none of that is true. Never let facts get in the way of self-hate. I salute your faith-based commitment to negativity...

Neither of them went to UT.... that is the problem, not being born in Texas. Sorry, Blue Fire!

This thread has introduced me to two of the greatest lines I have heard in a long time. "He is made of awesome" and "He kicks ten flavors of ass." Thank you, TSW!

You, sir, are acting like a tool. Kelly admits in his own memoirs that he screamed "Nooooooo!" at the TV when the Bills drafted him. He changed his tune once he got to know the place, but it is an incontestable fact that he had little good to say about Buffalo before 1986.

Wait, we are supposed to be upset because one year the Bills DIDN'T pick a DB in the first round?

Although I agree with many of your earlier points, you are wrong here on the facts. Andre racked up big yards in the first half of that game, when it was still in doubt. Down 14-7, he took quick passes (one from Kelly, one from Reich) down deep into the red zone with YAC, but the Bills ended up with a 4th-down Kelly interception in the end zone on the first drive, and had to settle for a figgie the second time (after Beebe dropped a TD pass on an earlier down. What really sucks about that 52-17 debacle is that it was so close at first that one or two plays (Kelly's interception on first down near midfield when they were already up 7-0 and driving again comes to mind as well) would have made a huge difference. It is odd, I know, to say that about a game that ended up so incredibly lopsided. Then with about 5 minutes to go in the second quarter, it all fell apart, and rolled down into the second half crapfest that is seared into our memories.

BPLoDR He is ahead of schedule with progress. Will be gone by 2011. Book It.

No. But it sure looks cool...

Be my guest. I would, however, request a footnote reference. Professional standards, don't you know.

VA is just looking for a new whipping boy now that JP is on the way out. By November, he will be calling Lynch a "visually impaired spastic sea otter" or something.

Oh come on.... you realize that the Cards are a team that has made the playoffs what, twice, since they moved to Arizona 20 years ago? They had a good year this year. Good for them. Why everything must be turned into another wave of Bills fan self-hatred is beyond me. Besides, the Cards are right now playing as though they remember how bad they suck... ;-)

There is never anything wrong with hope. Ever. It is the only thing that saves us from the meaninglessness of existence. Anyone who disparages the importance of hope is either lying to themselves, or is such an insufferable tool they have lost their grip on humanity. Go Bills!

Almost as pathetic as going on a message board and starting a thread insulting your fellow fans. Almost....

Nice... but steve, Cumming is FAR from a close burb. You would commute nearly an hour to the city in traffic. That is precisely the problem in metro ATL.

References to urination on snowmen aside ( ), Steve makes an excellent point. I have a hard time imagining 800 million dollar building projects for football stadia anywhere in WNY.... As other posters have said, a Lambeau-style remodel of the Ralph seems more sensible, though it would also be very costly.

I would be happy to... but I am confused; are you agreeing, disagreeing, or changing the subject? I have family in Atlanta, and am well aware of its attractions. All that being said, many southern politicians and residents do not completely appreciate the bases of their postwar prosperity, and the consequences of their chosen path to growth have been hidden by the massive importation of people and capital from other areas. That was my point. Two small examples come to mind for future discussions: Local taxes in many southern states are indeed lower than the north. And schools in many southern states, especially outside of the biggest cities, are among the worst in the nation in educational rankings. That is not as big a concern when college grads from Yankeeland, drawn by those lower property taxes, will bring the education paid for with higher local taxes in the north down with them. That is a good short-term plan, but it raises sustainability questions that southerners, both born and imported, rarely if ever consider. Many southern states profited from enormous federal outlays for highways and infrastructure in the postwar era while northern states built highways a generation earlier with local funds and tolls. Southerners now drive on those highways and complain about the evil federal government, or laugh at Yankees with their toll roads. The choice to pursue low-density suburbanized development has also led to southern cities such as Atlanta being heavily automobile dependent, with the attendant problems of long commutes, gridlock, drought (a product of overdevelopment and sprawl), and other environmental issues. Sustainability is in question there as well.

Well well well.. someone likes to call names! What you did in the post to which I responded is a nice example of missing the forest for the trees, since you named three QBs who happened to play option in college but avoided the fact that they generally did not do (or, in Young's case, have not yet) successfully played option QBs in the pros. This would of course suggest that option skills alone do not translate into long-term NFL success, which was my point. Only after I posted my message do you attempt to justify yourself, poorly.

Wow, talk about an example of diminishing returns.... The difference there is the Favre did not play an option QB in the NFL. His success came as he settled on being a drop back passer.

The brain drain is a problem at both ends; it weakens WNY, and it artificially inflates the quality of communities in the south that historically underfund their own educational systems, but attract smart folks and investment from elsewhere then pat themselves on the back for their low taxes.... That demographic Ponzi scheme is in danger of falling apart now that those southern states who relied on their low wages to attract business (such as South Carolina, where I once lived) find that those jobs can just as easily head off somewhere even cheaper, and that the flow of "damn Yankees" could easily be diverted in other directions.... That is a subject for a long discussion of its own, but it needs to be considered every time someone waxes rhapsodic about how much lower taxes are in the South.

So is Niagara Falls, NY.

If by that you mean they both won the Heisman, then yes, that is what I meant.... Seriously, I have no idea whether Tim Tebow will make it as an NFL QB, but the odds are against it, as they are against most college QBs. This is especially true of those whose success comes playing in semi-gimmick offenses that take advantage of the vast disparities in speed and talent between programs. If anything, Toretta, who played in a pro-style offense, was more of a sure thing than Tebow. Commentators have been proclaiming the end of the drop-back passer for nearly two decades (Randall Cunningham, anyone?), and the reality so far is that, while some mobility is surely a good thing, the key to QB success in the NFL is the ability to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball, especially on the routes that demand arm strength. If Tebow wants to succeed in the NFL, that is what he needs to show he can do on a consistent basis.