MikePJ76

yea that is definitely the issue then. He thinks he is ramsey and the rest of the league does not think he is.

Because they have all the cap space in the world to sign these guys long term however they do not want to keep their best corner and sign him apparently.

So that means a 2nd rounder gets it done for all these guys today.

I don't see it with Dallas. They have an expensive corner in diggs and have paid lewis. They have 3 good corners right now. It could possibly happen, Eberflus was in dallas for years and has a relationship with the people in the front office. He will definitely tell them the deal on johnson. I bet as soon as they find out what kind of money johnson wants they will be out. They have to pay lamb, parsons and prescott again in the next two seasons.

I posted this in the other trade thread and will post it again here. I imagine Johnson and his agents think he deserves to be paid like Ramsey yet his comps are taron johnson, jordan lewis and charvarius ward. That would be like 3 years 23.3 million or 7.7 avg. I imagine this is the holdup with the talks with the bears. So this creates a new wrinkle. Do you want to move extremely valuable trade capital and then pay a player a top end salary who you do not even know? What does this do to the locker room if a guy comes in off another team and is getting this high end money? When you trade for offensive players like Diggs, you can immediately see the results and it is not questioned...especially when they are great like Diggs....When the player is just above average at a position off the line of scrimmage on defense you may not see the immediate results. So if he is brought in and paid then the defense is only marginally better what happens in the locker room? There is a lot more than just what he costs to get in the door. it just seems like something SF will end up doing because they are always going for it and they spend money on defense.

I think you can also add the variable into this. A 3 in 24 that becomes a 2 if he is extended and then a 3 in 25. or a 2 next year and Elam, a 3 next year, Elam and a 5 in 25.

yea that is true and a good point, their free agency will dictate that.

The bears can just keep him and get a 3rd round comp most likely next year. If they are going to move him I imagine it has to be better than the comp pick they will get anyway.

Yea SF is the team I would not want to be competing against in this scenario. Both teams are good enough to win a championship but SF always worries about Tomorrow, Tomorrow. I dont think they would even blink at giving a 1 and a huge contract if they think he is what they are missing.

probably not but Elam was a first round player and teams always give multiple opportunities to those guys. So moving fuller and having a guy thought highly enough of to be drafted in the first round could make sense for them since he has so much time left on his deal.

yea I don't think they want a team they just moved to Las Vegas to be ditching star players during the season. In the offseason sure but not during the season. I am still surprised they just moved Carr.

Players are always frustrated, especially wr. I imagine on Wednesday when he talks to the media he will apologize in some way for taking attention away from the team and putting it on him. I cant imagine any scenario where the raiders trade him. The raiders just built the stadium and moved to stupid las vegas....I can't imagine the league wants them to have a fire sale on halloween.

This is interesting if true regarding sweat. A 3rd rounder that becomes a 2 if he is extended is a good way to make a deal. If you don't extend him you probably get a 3rd round compensatory pick for him in 25 anyway. I imagine this type of thing could be used for Johnson also. https://x.com/BenStandig/status/1718967487755063783?s=20

Washington can keep him and let him walk next year and get a 3rd round compensatory pick in 25 I believe. So I imagine he takes more than a 3. The Bills could get creative and make some kind of large move though, Elam a 2 and a 2025 4 for Fuller and Sweat.....or something like that. Washington gets a replacement for fuller leaving and high compensation for guys they are not going to resign. This will never happen however.

Joe Buscaglia has a nice article on the athletic about potential trade targets. His DT options are intriguing. Teair tart and John Jenkins. He seems to think a lot higher than I do about Kenall fuller though. https://theathletic.com/5014080/2023/10/30/nfl-trade-deadline-buffalo-bills/

I would just like to Add on Jaylon Johnson. Spotrac's potential salary for him is 3 years 23.3 mllion with an avg salary of 7.7 million. I imagine this is the hold up with the bears and a contract. He probably sees himself as Jalen Ramsey and his comps according to spotrac are taron johnson, jordan lewis, charvarious ward...etc....This must be the issue. also a few more things, Seattle sending a 2nd round pick to NY while NY ate the salary on Williams may not be an accurate estimate on compensation. Johnson is younger and less expensive. That seattle pick will end up being a late 2 as would buffalo, Dallas or SF's 2. The bears may ask for a 1 for johnson. I wouldn't want to be competing in this type of situation with SF, I do not think Dallas would even consider a 1 however. The difference with buffalo is they could send elam. Elam and johnson are essentially the same size and elam has years left on his deal and could step in and get a fresh start under imo a very good defensive coach in Eberflus. So maybe Elam and a 3 could be an option if no one else goes higher than a 2. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaylon-johnson-47645/market-value/

Its too soon. We know who teams are when we get to turkey day as Bill Parcells always liked to say. The season starts there for the contenders.

None of those guys are available except johnson

Its bad business to ever trade a first. If it is not for quarterback or a once a generation type player (aaron Donald ish) imo you should never ever do it. I feel like the market has been set for above average defensive players with expiring contracts with Williams. So that would mean a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th. The bills have two 3rds so moving the second though hard to swallow would be justifiable in this case. The bigger question is do you want to give a player a big time deal that you do not even know? That can upset the locker room. An outsider coming in and getting big money. The fact that he is a corner is another iffy thing to me. Guys that far away from the ball, you have to think twice about paying them these huge deals. You can always justify it for a player that plays on the line of scrimmage or a quarterback. Its just hard to do for a corner imo. Even the great ones are up and down. Matt Eberflus Bears defense asks the corners to jam at the line of scrimmage. He has a varied background having come up with Rob Ryan and then Rod marinelli. So jamming at the line of scrimmage and forcing guys inside is priority one. Johnson fits that mold with long arms and he is strong. I imagine he would fit right in with this defense. Having heard that SF is involved that makes me think this may get pushed to a first round pick. They are going for it 100% right now (Buffalo is to right?) and they seem to overpay if they want something and are not afraid to bring guys in and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Having said all that, this team needs help up front IMO, but there is no one who is going to trade the big guys inside at this point so getting a corner who can play the upper level wr and slow them down is the next best thing. A 2nd round pick wouldn't break the back of the Bills but it will be tough to swallow on Draft day when there are needs.

I still think the only real option at corner is adoree Jackson. He is good not great, has an expiring contract and plays inside and outside. Probably get him for a 5th or 6th round pick. He would be active every week and help the team.

jordan shultz said washington is trying to find a team to trade Montez Sweat and/or Chase Young. I wouldn't be suprised if sweat goes to KC and Young to SF

ok then. Calling tyrod taylor the best anything is just too much for me. Enjoy your day.

yea I am aware of the difference. There is no defense on earth that is so good you can attempt a pass. There is no reason they could not try something short and quick, A slant, a dig or an arrow route that is basically three steps and throw it. I think there concern was pass protection and devito holding onto the ball. Either way it was the most absurd thing ever and daboll is now going to be viewed differently in New York. He is going to have to pull off a miracle win over Dallas or Philly to get back some of that good faith he had.

Yes but he is still a good player and can play inside and outside. He would help the bills and he will not command a lot in return. The giants have players to replace him also.

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