90sBills

Bills win. That is all.

Unfortunately, Bills are not the Chiefs. Kyle Brandt said it best and I agree with that take.

It’s a team game where the qb is the leader of the team responsible for most or all of its points. Allen’s overall stats may be similar to Mahomes thus far this season but their performances have not been the same. Allen accrued a lot of those stats in the blowout wins against the Fins and Raiders. He struggled against the Jets, Jax, NYG, and Pats losing 3 of those games. The Chiefs offense, while working in new receivers, have not struggled as much in their games as the Bills have and still managed to win 6 out of 7 games. No one that has watched both teams so far this year will say Allen has been as good as Mahomes if they’re being objective.

Where are you seeing ‘fans’ suggesting we trade him? There was one guy that said it sarcastically like he had in other Allen threads but no one else from what I’ve seen. But I’m only on page 8 lol.

So you think Allen is closer to Jackson and Hurts than he is to Mahomes? Because I don’t…so those two are not on my radar for Allen’s comps. Allen’s comps should be Mahomes and Burrow if he’s who we think he is. Comparing him to two ‘running’ qb’s like Jackson and Hurts is a disservice imo.

I think in the rushing attempts context he is like Mahomes. Able to scramble and pick up chunks of yards. Just don’t hurdle and truck people.

That’s why I said ‘about’. Mahomes is 33 and Allen is 29 in week 7. There’s a lot of games left. At this pace they’ll both be in the 60s-70s by year’s end. Having him doubled Mahomes’ attempts last year is not sustainable for a qb. That’s what the coaching staff is try to do…sustain him for the long term.

‘Same ***** different day’ - Josh Allen

He’s about where Mahomes’ rushing attempts are. You want your elite qb to beat teams with his arm and mind not his legs. He isn’t a rb. Mahomes maximizes his rushing attempts by picking up chunks of yards on crucial plays. There’s no reason Allen can’t do this and no reason the coaching staff wouldn’t want him to do this. They just want him to avoid contact as much as possible.

Tiger won Majors at that point so not the same. It’s more like Phil with whatever he was doing before his first major win. The fact that they have huge egos is why they should’ve been focused since they haven’t won anything noteworthy in their professional careers. You can tell Diggs wants it so badly every game. He knows what’s at stake.

It’s actually 0-2 against Brady with Mahomes. The AFCCG and the Superbowl. The other Chiefs Reid playoffs loss to Brady was with Alex Smith. Getting Mahomes changed everything for Reid. His reputation went from choking in the biggest games to possibly all time great. Funny how that works when you have a great qb. Where does that leave McD? Either he’s like early Reid who hasn’t found his Mahomes yet or he’s just a mediocre coach that can’t win it all with a great qb like Allen. I think it’s the latter.

Oh man I’ve heard it all now. They’re just looking at these games as practices. Lol Like Kyle Brandt said on GMFB this morning ‘Bills aren’t the Chiefs’. They’re not good enough to be lackadaisical and expect to win.

3 and out is better than a turnover on the first possession. I’ll be taking TB + the points. Might even make $ AND enjoy a Bills win.

Of course Allen is a great qb! I’ve never said otherwise. Wth are we even talking about here. Lol. I’ve repeatedly said he’s the 2nd best in the league. If that’s not saying he’s great I don’t know what would. How did the Chiefs do before Mahomes arrived? Stacked meaningless regular season wins then flamed out in the playoffs never threatening to win a superbowl. Does this scenario sound similar to OBD currently? Yes I’m afraid you may be right about Dorsey. That just means another wasted year of Allen’s prime. Heaven forbids another year of Dorsey next season.

I do. So we have different opinions. Who knew. Yes you do need coaching. You also need qb’s. As NE proved with Belicheck and Brady…the qb is more important than the coach. Great QBs overcome mediocre coaching. Great QBs and great coaching? Well that’s where dynasties exist.

When the Chiefs struggle against inferior opponents they usually find a way to win in the end because Mahomes finds a way to do what’s necessary to secure a win. He has that ‘it’ factor. Brady had that. Now it’s Mahomes. You see glimpses from Allen but not consistent enough to pull tough games out. That trait alone is why I think Mahomes would’ve thrive anywhere, including here. As far as being driven it comes directly from Allen so I don’t see how you think it’s a cheap shot. He doesn’t watch as much film because he doesn’t think it’ll help. This was from him this past offseason. He doesn’t work as hard in the offseason compared to both Burrow and Mahomes. Mahomes holds an offseason receivers camp. Burrow has his qb camp. These are both his competition. He stated that he’s ‘more focused than ever to football’. That’s speaks of immaturity. He’s the face of an NFL franchise not the starting qb at your local hs. All these snippets adds up to someone that’s not unilaterally driven to be the best a his craft. It’s not a slight. Not everyone can be driven. Yes I absolutely agree that he has worked hard in the early years to improve his game to elite status. It seems complacency has taken roots lately. I’ve always maintained that he’s the second best qb in the league and that’s good enough to get a championship. Bills struggles is not all his fault. It’s not even the majority his fault. But he is on the team and its leader no less so part of the blame will be on his shoulders. There’s still enough season left for the team to right the ship. I’m still holding out hope for a strong finish but this loss has taken a big dent for sure.

I do. I think if Mahomes ended up here Bills would have won at least 1 superbowl. I also believe if Allen went to KC they would also win 1 but not be as dominant as they have been the last 5 years. Reid > McD. Mahomes > Allen. Take your Bills glasses off and you can see that Mahomes is a better player. He’s not as physically gifted as Allen but his intangibles are greater than Allen’s. He has that drive to be the best that I don’t see Allen possess. A player like Mahomes will succeed no matter where he ended up. It’s just bad for the league that he ended up with the most innovative offensive mind that unlocked all his potential.

Was not good enough today.

I really thought that would be Allen’s stat line against the Pats. Smh. This loss is inexcusable.

Reid is a much better offensive coach than what the Bills have. Coaching is a big part of the puzzle. But it isn’t the biggest part. Players are the biggest part. And there’s no player bigger than the quarterback in today’s processional football. If it’s just having the right coach Belicheck wouldn’t be struggling as much as he has since Brady left. At some point great QBs win regardless of where they’re drafted. That’s why they are the leaders of their teams and make the most bucks. At some point you can’t keep using coaching as an excuse for a qb that hasn’t gotten it done. Going into year 6th we’re getting near that point. Right now is all we have to work with. Future hypotheticals are not guaranteed so it doesn’t make sense to use any of those ‘feelings’. We’d all like to think that Allen will get his one day but that’s not a guaranteed. And with each passing year it becomes less and less of a possibility.

What you said is absolutely true here regarding both QBs. What’s unclear is your position about their ranking. Are you saying that because Mahomes was drafted by KC he’s not better than Allen? If that’s the case I disagree completely. Even taking away MVPs and Superbowls, both are QBs metrics btw, objective people can see Mahomes has done more to get his team further than Allen has for the Bills. The year KC won their first superbowl they were down big in their first playoff game against Houston. Their whole sideline, including Reid, was shellshocked. Mahomes was the one going up and down to his teammates encouraging them to not give up. This is just one example of how great of a player and leader he is. Like it or not he has that ‘it’ factor. That’s not something you can coach. It’s not a coincidence that Andy Reid couldn’t win the big one until Mahomes. At this point to not recognize that Mahomes is the best qb in the league is just being a homer. Like I said earlier, Allen is #2 and there’s nothing wrong with that at all. That’s more than capable to win it all. Whether it happens will depend on a lot of things beyond his own ability.

Not worried until the Cincy game. Bills should be 6-2 going into that game. If not…uh oh.

I’m assuming you think Burrow is 2nd? I’d take Allen over Burrow but I could see someone thinking the reverse.

Yup. They were also getting bounced in the first playoff game all but 1 year and never got closed to making a superbowl much less winning one. Mahomes changed all that from the time he stepped on to the field. Josh is a great qb and hopefully will take the Bills where they want to be. But we don’t need to diminish the best qb in the league to praise our qb. It’s ok to be 2nd best.

Of course it means something! It gives Bills fans the belief that this year will be different!