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Out-executing opponents is the way to go. TOs help swing games but shouldn't be relied upon. We have not outexecuted anyone over the past five weeks.

Turnovers are not a sustainable method for winning games. We beat Miami with assistance from TOs, and got them but didn't need them in wins over the Raiders and Skins.

Daboll was incredibly overrated. Dorsey's inexperienced and it shows. Neither optimized our offensive potential. Allen has made both look better than they are. I'm fairness to Daboll, Dorsey also inherited a fully seasoned Allen. Allen began developing on Daboll's watch. The comp isn't Apples to apples. It's clear what Allen & the offense need. Whether he gets it remains to be seen. That's up to Pegula. Pegula had better start thinking about ST/PSL sales to his new digs though. Not sure there's going to be a rush to buy STs at twice the current prices plus PSLs given the current state of the team.

Yes. Or if context with my original comments. I don't mind discussing something else, but beach it as a separate topic.

Don't most of 'em. In fact, the only reason I poked in on this one at 14 pages, is to see how far it had traveled from its title.

Now you're off on a tangent. 😉

If the choice were making the playoffs for 12 years straight, never advancing past the divisional round, and winning the division every one of those years, ... ... or ... Winning a Super Bowl, not making the playoffs for five more seasons, and making them sporadically after that also never advancing past the divisional round, ... ... I'd wager a guess that if you posted that poll, the vast majority would take the Lombardi and be content. Especially those of us that went through the '90s and the Kelly/Smith era. I don't hear anyone bragging that we went to four straight Super Bowls. In fact, it's become a consolationi prize punchline anytime it comes up and people realize that we're Bills fans. Just sayin' We can't even improve from our best season in '21.

That right there sums it up.

Yes, I know you do. I have to say however, it's a horrible look when that head coach tells the world he doesn't know what's wrong and therefore has no idea how to correct it. He didn't do himself any favors by admitting that.

I'm still going to disagree, here's why. Over the past five drafts, KC has at least tried to get that support by drafting 3 WRs on days 1 or 2 of the drafts, in this case all in round 2. We haven't drafted a single WR on days 1 or 2 on Beane's watch. We finally drafted Kincaid this year, Beane's 6th draft. So while none of their WR draftees have stepped up yet, if they even ever will, at least they've made the effort over there. Also, their OL has been notably better than ours. I'm pretty sure Reid and Mahomes would like to have better WRs again and with Rice pending, whose having a decent albeit not superlative rookie season.

He's a TE. So you'd rather Allen had Kelce and KC's WRs, than Kincaid and ours? You think that Kelce, rookie Rashee Rice, junk journeyman Justin Watson, and JAG Valdes-Scantling, along with Pacheco, are better than ... Diggs, Davis, Kincaid, Shakir, and Cook? Well, OK. I'll have to strongly disagree however. So much so that it was apparent to me anyway that KC's offense wouldn't be playing anywhere near the level that it's been prior to the season even starting as I stated numerous times here, while taking incredible heat for being a moron in that way I might add.

And which of KC's WRs do you consider to be something other than JAGs?

What, our current issues? Both One would think. Neither am I, but let's take our highest draft picks and assess those. Consider our Days 1 & 2 picks only. 1st: Oliver, trade-up 1st, Groot, Elam 2nd: AJE, Cook 3rd: Knox, Brown, Bernard Not even a sniff of an elite player among them. Not even a consistent impact player. We don't know a lot, but it's a safe bet that McD controls Beane's drafts more than we know. Given the circumstances it might be naive to think differently. I would not argue that. But still, we've ignored offense all but entirely on days 1 & 2. When you drafted Allen, that's idiotic. Some of it has to befall Beane. IMO if Pegula ever musters up the gumption to ditch McD, Beane needs to go as well, although I would agree with you, McD is the greater problem. Beane has little if anything to do with in-game adjustments or decision making on the field, preparation, etc. At this point I'd be satisfied to part with McD and his ex-Carolina staff. I'd get rid of both, but as you argue, McD is the greater issue, largely due to the in-game issues, preparation for games, and now the ridiculous fact that he's essentially admitted that he's in over his head. He has made some good picks, but keep in mind, those picks, Miller for example, had to be made because his drafts were not producing. And if your theory that McD hasn't made optimal use of the players that Beane has provided is accurate, how can we explain the fact that he's made good use of some free agents in contrast? Von Miller, Floyd, Diggs of course, Jones, Poyer, Hyde among a few others maybe. Thanks! Good input from you as well.

Really, it has to be spelled it out? 😕

It's called a trend and a pattern. And when you have Josh Allen and three of those teams are NE, whom you've decimated to date otherwise, the Giants, who suck, and Tampa, it's problematic.

Saleh, Daboll, & Belichick may have something to say about that.

And for the love of all that's good in football, absolutely no one that's coached in Carolina. Then again, there probably aren't that many options from Carolina left. 😎 It's he worth the risk? Doubtful

Yeah, I saw that! Completely agree. In fact, I've been preaching that for several years now. ... as no doubt you have as well.

Yeah, I figured you wouldn't. But everything that you mention above is on the defensive side. Hence my comments. Milano, again, is defense, although I suspect he'll be fine. Diggs is signed through '27 and Dawkins has a year left, so at least for next season we're good. Perhaps a restructure there, or an extension encompassing that ahead of time. That is a part of what the discussion about McBeane is about, implicitly. They've had 7 and 6 seasons/drafts respectively, and we've essentially come full circle to where we were when they were hired, with significant cap issues hindering them. Largely due to Beane's inabilities to draft the level of talent that's required to make the kind of impact that is required, elite players as you've called them. McD has now candidly admitted cluelessness in terms of what's wrong much more how to correct it. AKA, can't fix what you don't understand is wrong. Well, that assumes that Dorsey is fired. Not sure I'd make that assumption given how McD operates. But to my point, the offense, and uncontested by you seemingly, simply needs someone that understands offense effectively to put it together and running on all cylinders instead of coughing and choking while moving. It shouldn't take any kind of monumental effort by someone that understands offense, to do that, with essentially the same team that's on the field today. They get half a season to show significant progress, and a second season to optimize it. During that process, make sure you've got a GM that understands that and starts building around Allen instead of tinkering FFL style with the D. The D, as assessed by you above, is a sunk cost. It's going to be the same regardless. So the only questions that remain, are ... A. What are we going to do to support Allen and the O? B. Do we have the right people to do that? After 7 seasons the answer to that is apparently a resounding 'no.' C. Who best to do that? Then of course the catalyst to it all is Pegula, who should be heavily involved, since if this isn't corrected threatens to derail the ST/PSL sales process for the new stadium. Asking fans from WNY to pay that kind of money for slop play/performance isn't the way to go there. We'll see what happens. As always, none of have a vote in the matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If we were getting the most that we could from this offense then the issue might be talent. But this offense is nowhere near optimized. If Allen had predated McD, the odds of McD even making the short-list for HC would have been slim. At least from someone that knew what they were doing in selecting a HC. We've got a lot of cart/horse stuff here. McD hired before a GM. GM clearly then coming from Carolina. (just like McD's entire senior coaching staff, as if they were all the "best options" for the positions) Then Allen being drafted while the offense was all but ignored while Mr. Defense and his GM toady catering to his FFL defensive methodologies. And if talent's in issue after 6 full drafts, the fire Beane. Again, if we had to build starting lineups from Beane's draft picks apart from Allen and to support Allen and the offense, here's what we have to work with: DL: Oliver, AJE, Groot LB: Bernard, Williams DB: Johnson, Jackson, Benford, Elam OL: Brown, Torrence RB: Cook WR: Davis, Shakir, Shorter TE: Kincaid, Knox Good luck with that. Both talent and coaching are the issue. And honestly, when your head coach has stated multiple times now that he is clueless as to what's wrong much less how to correct it, I mean seriously, what is Pegula waiting for! Imagine telling your boss that you have no idea how to do your job effectively. SMH

As Thurman said, 64% snaps. 45 in all 1 solo, 1 combined tackle Need more from him.

Here's the thing, there's more than enough on offense to get a whole lot more out of it than we're getting right now. I don't know what our FA situation is offensively, I'l look in a moment, but Morse may be gone, Davis likely will be since he'll get more elsewhere than he'll be worth here, but I think that's about it. Draft an OT/C, maybe a RB in round 3, a WR, make a good FAcy move on offense, not a crazy expensive one, but to fill a gap, like McGovern did e.g., and I don't think we lose much of a beat. Defensively, do what we've done on offense, get some rentals or 1/2-year free agents until the offensive situation is more settled. Joseph has played well in his first game, same for Douglas. We'll see if they continue, but time to reverse the offseason trend of focusing on the D. Put the emphasis on the O, get someone in here that knows how to optimize the offense, and see what happens. Here's the great thing about this situation, Allen & Co. aren't a long-term project. They're ready, they simply need solid coaching/leadership and they're off and running. NPI If the new guys don't work out, swap 'em out again in two years. This shouldn't be a world-class coaching challenge that McD's turned it into. Just looked, most of our FAs are on the defensive side. None would cost much to resign. Hyde needs to be let-go or restructured. None of the FAs would be expensive to resign, I don't think, other than for Davis, who while he may not be "expensive" per se, he'll likely get more than we should be paying him elsewhere. Whether he wants to take less to stay with Allen remains to be seen. If they wanted to keep him they should have extended him by now. Am I missing any FAs? Morse isn't a FA, but he's also not playing at a particularly high level either, and he's old for a C. His dead cap according to spotrac saves $8.5M. He's not a major problem, and he's hanging on well given his age and concussion/injury history. But we need to start looking for another C if Bates isn't the future there.

Since no one has answered you, unless I missed it, I checked online. The source I found says that a retirement is treated the same as a cut from a cap perspective. Teams can ask for unearned signing bonus money back, but that doesn't affect the cap apparently. He won't retire if it means giving money back. He's finished as anything besides a role-player in rotation or as a depth player. He'll be 35 next season. I guess that's what happens when you sign a player in decline at the age of 33 to a 6-year contract. HUGE swing-and-a-miss by Beane. He should not be let off the hook for that. LOL I hear ya!! Thanks for the humor!! It's humor that keeps us going in times such as these. Odds of that happening you think? What, the 7th time's the charm? Beane should be on his knees thanking the football gods that Allen worked out, or both he and McD would have been gone after the 2019 season. Here's a list of Beane's draft picks otherwise from which to build a team around in his 6 drafts now. DL: Oliver, AJE, Groot LB: Bernard, Williams DB: Johnson, Jackson, Benford, Elam OL: Brown, Torrence RB: Cook WR: Davis, Shakir, Shorter TE: Kincaid, Knox Imagine a team built around that. Not a winner. Not even close. That's the core of a perennial 5-12 team right there. If even that. He won't retire. I doubt he'd restructure if it meant losing money. Remember, it's a business. ... until a stadium needs to be built, then it's a community service, but otherwise, it's all business.

At this rate it wouldn't be until the 2025 season at best. You think that Kraft, who's not particularly a fan of BB's, would sit still for that? That also borders on irresponsible.

I have no idea, but presumably there's the possibility that Bill refuses to step down. He's got a huge ego. I wouldn't dismiss that. I would love to see him fired midseason though if I cared. We have enough troubles of our own.