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Really, it has to be spelled it out? 😕

It's called a trend and a pattern. And when you have Josh Allen and three of those teams are NE, whom you've decimated to date otherwise, the Giants, who suck, and Tampa, it's problematic.

Saleh, Daboll, & Belichick may have something to say about that.

And for the love of all that's good in football, absolutely no one that's coached in Carolina. Then again, there probably aren't that many options from Carolina left. 😎 It's he worth the risk? Doubtful

Yeah, I saw that! Completely agree. In fact, I've been preaching that for several years now. ... as no doubt you have as well.

Yeah, I figured you wouldn't. But everything that you mention above is on the defensive side. Hence my comments. Milano, again, is defense, although I suspect he'll be fine. Diggs is signed through '27 and Dawkins has a year left, so at least for next season we're good. Perhaps a restructure there, or an extension encompassing that ahead of time. That is a part of what the discussion about McBeane is about, implicitly. They've had 7 and 6 seasons/drafts respectively, and we've essentially come full circle to where we were when they were hired, with significant cap issues hindering them. Largely due to Beane's inabilities to draft the level of talent that's required to make the kind of impact that is required, elite players as you've called them. McD has now candidly admitted cluelessness in terms of what's wrong much more how to correct it. AKA, can't fix what you don't understand is wrong. Well, that assumes that Dorsey is fired. Not sure I'd make that assumption given how McD operates. But to my point, the offense, and uncontested by you seemingly, simply needs someone that understands offense effectively to put it together and running on all cylinders instead of coughing and choking while moving. It shouldn't take any kind of monumental effort by someone that understands offense, to do that, with essentially the same team that's on the field today. They get half a season to show significant progress, and a second season to optimize it. During that process, make sure you've got a GM that understands that and starts building around Allen instead of tinkering FFL style with the D. The D, as assessed by you above, is a sunk cost. It's going to be the same regardless. So the only questions that remain, are ... A. What are we going to do to support Allen and the O? B. Do we have the right people to do that? After 7 seasons the answer to that is apparently a resounding 'no.' C. Who best to do that? Then of course the catalyst to it all is Pegula, who should be heavily involved, since if this isn't corrected threatens to derail the ST/PSL sales process for the new stadium. Asking fans from WNY to pay that kind of money for slop play/performance isn't the way to go there. We'll see what happens. As always, none of have a vote in the matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If we were getting the most that we could from this offense then the issue might be talent. But this offense is nowhere near optimized. If Allen had predated McD, the odds of McD even making the short-list for HC would have been slim. At least from someone that knew what they were doing in selecting a HC. We've got a lot of cart/horse stuff here. McD hired before a GM. GM clearly then coming from Carolina. (just like McD's entire senior coaching staff, as if they were all the "best options" for the positions) Then Allen being drafted while the offense was all but ignored while Mr. Defense and his GM toady catering to his FFL defensive methodologies. And if talent's in issue after 6 full drafts, the fire Beane. Again, if we had to build starting lineups from Beane's draft picks apart from Allen and to support Allen and the offense, here's what we have to work with: DL: Oliver, AJE, Groot LB: Bernard, Williams DB: Johnson, Jackson, Benford, Elam OL: Brown, Torrence RB: Cook WR: Davis, Shakir, Shorter TE: Kincaid, Knox Good luck with that. Both talent and coaching are the issue. And honestly, when your head coach has stated multiple times now that he is clueless as to what's wrong much less how to correct it, I mean seriously, what is Pegula waiting for! Imagine telling your boss that you have no idea how to do your job effectively. SMH

As Thurman said, 64% snaps. 45 in all 1 solo, 1 combined tackle Need more from him.

Here's the thing, there's more than enough on offense to get a whole lot more out of it than we're getting right now. I don't know what our FA situation is offensively, I'l look in a moment, but Morse may be gone, Davis likely will be since he'll get more elsewhere than he'll be worth here, but I think that's about it. Draft an OT/C, maybe a RB in round 3, a WR, make a good FAcy move on offense, not a crazy expensive one, but to fill a gap, like McGovern did e.g., and I don't think we lose much of a beat. Defensively, do what we've done on offense, get some rentals or 1/2-year free agents until the offensive situation is more settled. Joseph has played well in his first game, same for Douglas. We'll see if they continue, but time to reverse the offseason trend of focusing on the D. Put the emphasis on the O, get someone in here that knows how to optimize the offense, and see what happens. Here's the great thing about this situation, Allen & Co. aren't a long-term project. They're ready, they simply need solid coaching/leadership and they're off and running. NPI If the new guys don't work out, swap 'em out again in two years. This shouldn't be a world-class coaching challenge that McD's turned it into. Just looked, most of our FAs are on the defensive side. None would cost much to resign. Hyde needs to be let-go or restructured. None of the FAs would be expensive to resign, I don't think, other than for Davis, who while he may not be "expensive" per se, he'll likely get more than we should be paying him elsewhere. Whether he wants to take less to stay with Allen remains to be seen. If they wanted to keep him they should have extended him by now. Am I missing any FAs? Morse isn't a FA, but he's also not playing at a particularly high level either, and he's old for a C. His dead cap according to spotrac saves $8.5M. He's not a major problem, and he's hanging on well given his age and concussion/injury history. But we need to start looking for another C if Bates isn't the future there.

Since no one has answered you, unless I missed it, I checked online. The source I found says that a retirement is treated the same as a cut from a cap perspective. Teams can ask for unearned signing bonus money back, but that doesn't affect the cap apparently. He won't retire if it means giving money back. He's finished as anything besides a role-player in rotation or as a depth player. He'll be 35 next season. I guess that's what happens when you sign a player in decline at the age of 33 to a 6-year contract. HUGE swing-and-a-miss by Beane. He should not be let off the hook for that. LOL I hear ya!! Thanks for the humor!! It's humor that keeps us going in times such as these. Odds of that happening you think? What, the 7th time's the charm? Beane should be on his knees thanking the football gods that Allen worked out, or both he and McD would have been gone after the 2019 season. Here's a list of Beane's draft picks otherwise from which to build a team around in his 6 drafts now. DL: Oliver, AJE, Groot LB: Bernard, Williams DB: Johnson, Jackson, Benford, Elam OL: Brown, Torrence RB: Cook WR: Davis, Shakir, Shorter TE: Kincaid, Knox Imagine a team built around that. Not a winner. Not even close. That's the core of a perennial 5-12 team right there. If even that. He won't retire. I doubt he'd restructure if it meant losing money. Remember, it's a business. ... until a stadium needs to be built, then it's a community service, but otherwise, it's all business.

At this rate it wouldn't be until the 2025 season at best. You think that Kraft, who's not particularly a fan of BB's, would sit still for that? That also borders on irresponsible.

I have no idea, but presumably there's the possibility that Bill refuses to step down. He's got a huge ego. I wouldn't dismiss that. I would love to see him fired midseason though if I cared. We have enough troubles of our own.

Well, what's obvious is that the situation isn't good for marketing pricey STs and PSLs. Remember, Pegula gave McBeane extensions in order to avoid chaos and regression. But now we have disarray, dysfunction, semi-chaos, regression in a major way, and a head coach that has openly expressed that he has no idea how to correct any of it. And one that as with his solo stance of being the only one in the world that supported Peterman, is approaching a similar status re: Dorsey. What more really needs to be said at this point. I mean if someone owned a business and the person in charge of an entire dept. openly said that, what would the responsible result be? This isn't difficult. Next man/coach up!! If Allen were already here before they hired McD, I can't imagine McD even having made the short-list for consideration.

Whatever it is, McD is now on record several times having plainly stated that he doesn't know how to correct it. That's stunning. As mentioned, making himself DC on top of being head coach paints all the picture we need. He gave himself enough rope to hang himself, his unwavering support for Dorsey and the O like he did for Peterman, and we don't know the extent of his involvement in it but I it's likely high, have built the gallows. Pegula's hand is rapidly being forced. The same goes for our D now too. It even began before our excuse-generating injuries. New England, ... New England, picked us apart nearly as if Brady were the QB again.

Kincaid should be on pace for 1,000/10 right now on an offense with Allen at QB. The reason why he isn't is the topic du jour.

Keep in mind that this is also the first season in four that the division's been as tough as it has. Even NE at 2-7 is tougher than their record. McD's had the good fortune over the past three seasons prior to this one, of having had a relatively easy division. Now that the pressure is on in that way he's crumbling. Even now, we've had the second easiest schedule in the league to date.

What we all wish for is a Super Bowl win. We're not getting it like this. It's incredibly difficult to believe that many coaches couldn't be doing this, what we have now, with those roster. Fear should never be what holds attempts to improve or correct back. What I personally "wish for" or would like to see, is Allen play as well as Allen can. To date he's not done that. McD was simply the wrong choice to get that out of him Granted, McD was hired before we drafted Allen, but that doesn't change the current circumstances. And at this point, hire a decent coach with a knowledge of offense. If he doesn't get at least as much in two seasons from the offense, shitcan him and get another. Allen isn't a long-term project at this point.

They don't offer much, but they do drive national narratives.

This season is shaping up like our 2017 season where we beat a bunch of scrubs, got a ton of luck, and if we do make the playoffs it'll likely be over a few teams that deserved it more than we do. And then what, get crushed even worse than 2017 in the playoffs. Honestly though, 5-3 over our next 8? Who really sees that happening. Well be lucky to go 4-4.

Interesting comment, great points! Regarding your comment that they're not entertaining anymore, I wouldn't disagree but would add that it's due to their blatant underachievement. If we were 5-4 while playing our best or would be different, but that's far from the case.

The Black Knight ...

There are more than enough issues to implicate both. Time for a changing of the guard. This stuff was predictable. Anyone not seeing it coming wasn't paying much attention to it, understandably, yet nonetheless. Once McD is gone, it's likely that we'll start hearing about how difficult it was to work with him and how stubborn he was. Just an educated guess there. At the end of the day, just as McD did with Peterman, he's also doing with Dorsey. This time it seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back. It's difficult to ignore and puts his incompetence on full display. Dorsey is s fully his choice and he's standing by him. His own pressers and statements are merely him icing his own cake. McD is the head coach, and it's become clear to most now that he's reached his ceiling. He was never a great DC to begin with. Many have simply convinced themselves that he was. We see what he is as a HC. It's going to be interesting to see what happens, as Pegula has given both him and Beane, also inextricably a significant part of the problem, extensions for marketing purposes, specifically so that what's happening now wouldn't happen. But it has. So it will be interesting to see what happens now from that angle in the interest of selling crazy expensive STs to the new stadium, with PSLs.

This isn't uncommon for us. Seems like in recent seasons we've come out of the gate swinging as if it play in September determined our playoffs lot. We end up playing at an unsustainable pace, everyone gets worked up and extrapolates gaudy stats out to a full season, which is also ridiculous, and then that pace is predictably slowed and everyone wonders what's wrong. What's wrong is that you can't play like that all season, it's probably fed into our injuries, it helps when you face a couple of teams like Washington & the Raiders, and get overly amped up for our first tough home game, as we always do, which feeds into the entire scenario. Good coaching would have us playing on more of an even keel all season and not so much in spurts and fits a couple of times during the season. It's also good coaching to have an on-field methodology and philosophy that enables you to do that. We have neither off those. Hence our issues. ... after seven seasons.

Wow, I didn't know that about AJE. Yeah, not good. McBeane are starting to lap themselves. Part of their problem is self-induced by not playing rookies as much as other teams do. Another knock on McD.

He orders Ranch when he gets his Wings. SMH