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No, but if we don't win the Super Bowl because of conflicts between the competent OC and McD, which is far from being a reach, you might very well. McD's never going to hire someone that if things don't go right has a chance to succeed him.

Yeah, we'll see how it shakes out. While our PSLs and prices will likely be lower than elsewhere, according to the surveys etc., they're still going to be twice or so what they are now, again, plus those PSLs. Which is high for our region. Either way, when it comes up, many people here that have been long-time STHs say that they're not going to be renewing under those circumstances. But the point was that the way we're playing certainly isn't positive marketing for those sales. If it were going to persuade or disuade someone from buying, clearly it would seem to be the latter. That's all I'm saying.

Not the way it's being coached it isn't. The chances of McD stringing together four games to win it all is remote. Remember, we did catch lightning in a bottle in '21, and at the climax, Allen & Davis took over the game. McD let that lightning out of the bottle in the waning 13 seconds of the game. They call it lightning in a bottle for a reason, it's very unusual that it happens twice. To whom much is given, much more is expected. He may be one of if not the most successful coach in franchise history, but he wouldn't be close without Allen and he's the one that's prevented it from going further. Allen should be on his Christmas fruit basket list for the rest of his life. Allen >>> Eli Manning Right now, if we're going to compare, let's compare our record at season's end to who the QBs & coaches were during the drought years that had the same or better records. Let's see what happens tonight first. If someone had told me at the beginning of the season that the Denver game, conceiveably our easiest back then, would be a pivotal defining game for us, I'd have thought they were nuts.

That's a significant part of the point/problem. Josh shouldn't have to take over games by himself in order for us to win. That's been the case throughout McD's tenure. Allen winning games to the difference of drought era teams and this. The only thing making McD look good in the playoffs was Allen's having taken over the Chiefs' game along with Davis in '21. Otherwise McD can't win anything but a Wild-Card game. The biggest common denominator in the now four season duration of Allen's top-level play is that it's been in the post-Brady era and our division has generally sucked. Miami's been the only true threat and that's reliant upon Tua who's seen a tumultuous injury history not even being able to play a full season yet.

Out of curiosity, how many other head coaches have firmly indicated that they have no idea what's wrong much less how to correct what they don't know is wrong with their own teams? Asking for a friend.

Once again, it wasn't my point, numerous others here have laid out out. As to selling Tix, don't take that up with me, take it to with the numerous people that are STHs here alone, that have already said that they're bailing, ... before this season even played out. I didn't say it, they did. Great that you think that this level of play isn't going to impact ticket sales at twice current pricing plus PSLs. Is it OK if others disagree with you? Or not? Just to clarify what you're allowing in the forum. Talk about extreme, one more post and I'd strongly suggest implications of stalking me. 😉

Way to not even remotely get the point. Nice work. That takes some doing to get from the Croix of what was stated to that. 😉

If even that.

Bills should be 7-2 and in sole possession of first place with the second-easiest schedule in the league to date that they've had. If not 8-1 given that three of our road games were against three horrible teams with absolutely terrible QBs that we dropped two to. Wins against the Jets and Pats alone would have us at 7-2. Apparently we're incapable of beating the Bengals with McD. Now we face the polar opposite, three road games against division leaders including both of last seasons Super Bowl participants, one more road game against a team that we haven't beaten on their turf since the Chuck Knox/Ferguson days, a home game against one of the toughest defenses in the league that also has an offense that's better and more balanced than ours, and two teams at home that we've already lost to. ... and resurgent Denver whose coach knows McD's D's well. Just sayin'' ... Barring something unusual, it seems that we're tracking for a season that's on par with a bunch in the drought era. Is this where the highly touted yet ill-defined Process that we're supposed to have trusted has led?

If McD can shake his Peterman-like insistence that Dorsey's doing a good job when he's not, then Dorsey will be back on the field as a QB coach somewhere else next season and won't have a choice. That's if McD even survives if he can't put up something better than a drought era losing record alongside a playoffs swing-and-a-miss with Allen at QB. ... after candidly stating that he doesn't know how to coach his offense up. Let's see if we can even win tonight. This should be a 14 point plus win. If not, ... LOL ...

Maybe Dorsey was never the right guy to begin with. Maybe McD won't hire the right guy because that guy would be a candidate to replace him. Simply because "Josh likes him," doesn't mean he's competent. That's the problem with this whole "culture" thing. It's like a fraternity, but a fraternity in and of itself is not a good business model. Competence is still needed. Fraternities, aka "culture" in this case, translates to little more than blind loyalty.

And BTW, what should be indisputable is that it's not going to help. Also, keep in mind, that before this implosion, numerous longtime STHs even here have said that they're not renewing. Remember, the prices are going to be approx double, and there will be pricey PSLs. Even if you sell the corporates, you don't want half empty seats. We'll see what happens there. I am s little surprised that the ticket sales process hasn't already begun. We'll see if we finish with a worse record than some of our drought era teams. Even equal isn't a good look. It's also not a good look when many of our fans are going for that exactly so that McD will get fired. I've now interested with a number of fans hoping for that. At the end of the day, a coach admitting, several times now, that he has no idea how to get anything more than mediocrity from an Allen-led offense more or less dug his own grave. Don't blame me or any other posters, he did it. We're simply reacting.

Interesting point there. Maybe it is all about the corporate sales now. Maybe not. Pegula said he's counting on the PSL revenue to carry a good chunk of "his" share of the cost. They'll never be a "dumpster" as long as Allen's on the team. But make no mistake, this can easily turn into a team with Chargers or Bengals type appeal with Rivers or Dalton. It already seems that we're tracking for that, which is tragic given Allen. It comes with having a fanbase as passionate as ours is. We don't settle for underachieving mediocrity. During the Super Bowl years, playoff tickets weren't at all difficult to come by at face or less in the last season or two of our playoff run.

No, but at the same time it's clear that McD's got a ceiling. We'll see when STs/PSLs go on sale. It's foolish to think that the current situation isn't going to impact that.

So you don't think he cares one way or the other whether the team wins?

At least that's become clear. Now the ball is in Pegula's court. There's definitely a pall hovering over our fanbase. The situation isn't the best marketing approach for selling pricey seats & PSLs for the new stadium.

Who cares. He's not here. Either way, $3 is chump change. RB is hardly our greatest issue.

Keep in mind though he hasn't had more than 13 carries and this is only his second start. It will be interesting. Cook isn't a 3-down RB. Never will be. Singletary can be.

YEAH! We all know that the offense and team are humming along on all cylinders nicely! Buncha boobs!! 😎

Nice! Point being, the vast majority of "Bills Mafia" have no recollection.

It was also a whole lot easier to win a Championship in a 10 or 12-team league than a 32-team league. For our intents and purposes there are three eras of pro football. The pre-AFL/NFL merger era. The 1970 to early '90s free-agency era. The era from then 'til now. The best era of football by my preference was from the AFL/NFL merger until full bore free agency. Why not. During the Ryan era we won the offseason championship. During this era we've won the Culture championship. So why not that too.

Especially when hardly anyone younger than 70 would even have had any cognizance of that era, much less specifically our AFL championships. Ironically they beat Buffalo 28-0 that season. What's with that pose? Good caption pic.

That is one perspective. Here’s a contrary one however. We’ve had the second-easiest schedule of any team in the league to date. Among the 8 remaining games, they include two teams that have already beaten us, with QBs Wilson and Jones; Three current division leaders which include last season’s two Super Bowl participants, with all three of those games being on the road; One team that will in every likelihood make the playoffs sitting behind one of those division leaders; and @ another where we haven’t won in six tries since Knox was our coach and Ferguson our QB. Denver on MNF is the odd team out of that mix. Our start equals the start we had in 2017, 2015, 2014, 2011, 2008, 2007, 2002, and 2000. Our record in those seasons respectively was ... 9-7 8-8 9-7 6-10 7-9 7-9 8-8 8-8 Our QBs in those seasons were Taylor (twice), Orton, Fitzpatrick, Edwards (twice), Bledsoe, and Johnson respectively. We have Allen! Our remaining schedule is more difficult than for any of those seasons. Monday’s game is critical at this point. Absolute must-win, and even then it’ll be uphill. Lose, and I suppose that the wheels start coming off completely and Pegula needs to step in, perhaps not now, but at the end of the season for sure. McD’s had 8 days to prepare, not that he understands what preparing actually is, nonetheless. Payton’s had two weeks. And again, not that what any one of us thinks or says actually matters, but as a contrary perspective. For those thinking that we beat Miami as a feat of significance, consider that Miami has beaten no one relevant, not one team that is presently seeded for playoff contention. The only team with more than 3 wins that they've beaten is the 4-4 Chargers, and only by 2 in a come-from-behind last-minute win. They’ve had a similarly easy schedule and the third easiest in the league. So it’s quite likely that our win over them is less relevant than we originally thought.

This offense is bereft of any identity. At the beginning of the season someone posted a thread about what to name the O as a nickname. How about the Identity Crisis Offense. It has no methodology, no particular style of play. No systematic approach. Nothing. The proof in the pudding there is if we ask what the offense, for example, is based on. The answer is essentially how hot Allen is and whether or not he can overcome key play-calling at certain times that render some seriously questionable calls. That's not a methodology, it's nonsense. Or at key times what the thinking is behind some of McD's challenges and decisions that buck conventional wisdom. Just two examples. Defensively it's whether or not we get TOs. It's shoot-from-the-hip every game now. Worse yet, like last week, the come out and score easily on the first drive. McD's questioned as to why they didn't continue to do that, and the answer is that they wanted to try different styles of play. I mean honestly, it's like he got stoned before that presser. Time for a new head coach. Period! Time to find one that actually sticks with what's working, not using a game to do what should be done in practice, camp or preseason. Not to mention one that can have the offense regularly string together a bunch of 8+ play drives, scoring or not, and moving the ball with regularity. It shouldn't be very difficult at all with a QB like Allen. But that coach has to know what they're doing. I mean honestly, between idiocy like that and candidly stating that you have no idea what's wrong, when that is a monumental clue, and stating that you don't know what or how to correct it, ... I mean really! If that doesn't say CEILING, not quite sure what does. It sure as hell doesn't shout out competence. If he doesn't know he doesn't know. Find someone that can figure it out and put it together. Instead, we have a contingent here that keeps supporting this nonsense under the notion that one of these years he'll figure it out. When, once Allen's gone? Yeah, that's an odds-on proposition. LOL It doesn't seem so given his own statements. What seems evident is that if someone in a high position at a company told their boss that they didn't know what to do or how to do it, they'd either be reassigned, fired, or asked to resign. But here, we simply pat the vacuous leader on the back and say better luck next season, eventually you'll come around. Let's hope you don't hand another playoff game to the opponent in the remaining seconds. Except now we can't even get to that point. How is it even possible to effectively sugarcoat the situation. It's poor. It's stunning that McD hasn't lost the team yet. And make no mistake, Dorsey's also in well over his head, but ultimately McD's sticking with him like he stuck with Peterman, despite not one of his own coaches, or OCs agreeing with him, and absolutely not a single fan or media person agreeing with him. Wash/rinse/repeat now with Dorsey. Poor Rick Dennison and Daboll in his first season. But McD isn't a control-freak. Sure. McD's situation is understandable. If he actually hires a competent OC there will be fireworks on the sidelines and eventually, if that OC ends up being good, he'd replace McD. That's why he's standing behind Dorsey. Pegula's got a decision to make before STs with PSLs go on sale. People aren't going to rush to commit to buying them with this nonsense afoot, and with thoughts of the post-Allen era on the horizon when McD can't even have this offense humming along anywhere close to optimally, and in Allen's 6th season.

It seems that way. During games there's definitely a lack of leadership, seemingly both on the field as well as on the sidelines. Not sure how that's attributable to anything but coaching to reinforce your point.