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A win over the hapless Jets? Yes, that's correct, not good enough for me. Good enough for you? Great. But my standards are quite a bit higher as a Bills fan. Wins over the Jets, Raiders, Skins, Giants, and Bucs, correct, ain't cuttin' it for me either. So we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm happy that you're pleased however. Hopefully we'll go 5-1 against the rest of the schedule. Then I'll be one of the happiest people here.

I'm not quite sure that's what I implied. It wasn't what I meant to imply if so. What's funny about it is how people continually throw up analagous historical facts as relevant exceptions, except that they have contexts that don't even match what's going on here. Give Rodgers and Manning the defenses that Allen's had and then it's an accurate comp. Since that can never happen, it would seem that it's not an accurate/apples-to-apples comp. There are endless such exceptions. It's always amusing what gets thrown up.

Celebrate a win over a team like the Jets? Well, OK. I'll be quite a bit more jacked if we can even make the Eagles game a good game. Beating the Jets, yeah, sorry, at home with a QB that's quite likely never to seriously start anywhere beginning next season doesn't quite cut it for me.

LOL You've just gotta love the things people put up in defense of all things Bills.

You sure it was all that obvious? Seems that we played the same in our three game string against Miami, @ Washington, and the Raiders. In fact, Romo ranted about our point-differential, which is great as a whole, but it's largely as a result of those three games. In our other 8 games we're PF 171 and PA 157, for +14, not even 2 ppg, which is patently average. Without yesterday's game contributing to that it's negative by about the same amount. In the six game string prior to yesterday it was 123 PF and 139 PA for -16. The inconsistency of this particular team hasn't been seen in eons. It's easy to rave over yesterday's performance, but we're talking about beating a team that hasn't even averaged 10 PPG over their past four games. It helps when your defense is able to provide a 14 minute time-of-possession advantage, limit the opposing offense to 54 plays, allow them nothing better than starting field-position at their own 34. We also had 10 of our points set up by our D at the Jets' 21 and 23 YLs. Concerning for us is going 1-for-4 in the Red Zone, and having a very average 3rd-down-conversion-rate. The Jets have the 12th ranked scoring D, not the 1st, not even in the top-10. Not one other team on our remaining schedule is going to be anywhere close to that anemic offensively. So we'll see. It was a good and much needed win, and for sure a step towards a retracking of the offense, but it was also the type of win that provides false hopes for something more than we are. Not one other game this season is going to be anywhere near that easy. Four of the last six are on the road as well and four are against teams with 7 or 8 wins. Ahead we face the 2nd and 5th ranked scoring Ds, but more alarmingly, we face the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 8th, and 11th ranked scoring offenses, four times on the road. That's going to be a whole lot different for our D than Zach Wilson and the Jets. We should find out beginning this Sunday whether this game will end up being an outlier or the front end of a new season of sorts for us. It's wise to be cautiously optimistic at best.

Exactly Brady didn't fudge it up.

Oh I'm sorry, it seems that bringing up his being limited by coaching actually does him a service in that department. Nice hyperbole otherwise! As you were. Nice of you to point to other posters however. Nothing substantive to add to the conversation otherwise then?

Makes one wonder why we haven't gotten more from the team during that time span then. That seems to implicate coaching as well.

It helped that the Jets' offense couldn't get out of its own way and our D dominated them. That always makes things easier for an offense. Keep in mind as well that that was the first appearance of the Brady schemed offense. As the games continue, more video of our O will become available to opponents. That shouldn't be discounted. Very optimistic, but as we all realize, the gauntlet lies ahead.

We're getting ahead of ourselves. This team is known for its sporadic big games at key times. The Jetss are a hapless team that has averaged 16 PPG. Zach Wilson is awful. Far from Hurts, Mahomes, Prescott, Herbert, or Tua. Home crowd helped, but those are far from the conditions that will exist forthcoming with four of six on the road. Let's see how the "new and improved" Bills handles the Eagles, a better barometer. McD's issues didn't simply spring up this season, they're patterned. Playoffs are expected at this point, with something greater than a D or WC round loss too an inferior team or due too coaching blunders. Nothing should have changed in that regard. Let's see how it shakes out.

That was hilarious. I thought that was a serious flop for a moment. What a sense of humor he's got! Sauce Gardner's a first-class punk.

We have to hope that this wasn't simply one of our emotional high games at home and that the momentum continues. @ Philly's going to be a real test of that.

Indeed. Having said that, curious WTF took them so long to figure that out.

They really are, aren't they. LOL This has to be Zach Wilson's last year as a starter. Presumably they'll be drafting a QB, hopefully not a good one.

It does, so yeah, I hear ya. Presumably you understand the point however. Happy Thanksgiving BTW!!

No Oliver?

There's very little comparison between '70s era football and that of today however. This was a good game, what was needed, and frankly, expected. The Jets suck, averaging 16 ppg coming in, now 15 or so. We also had an advantage or new offensive scheme, or at least somewhat. Hopefully it helped the team find itself a little. Unfortunately for us, all of the currently seeded teams except for Pittsburgh, who played one that did, won. At least the fans in attendance don't have to leave the game like they did last week.

This should be the last season of Zach Wilson. Hopefully they don't land a top QB.

Has Gardner been fined by the league much? If not, he needs to be. What a general hot-headed *****.

Maybe Shakir's a bona fide #2 WR. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Presumably because Pierce had been starting. Not sure whether he's injured or why he's not playing, but Singletary's playing better than Pierce either way. And in his two starts he's gone nuts. What, averaging 131 and 1 TD/game. Even as a backup he's outperformed Pierce. I don't care, just pointing it out. So coaching essentially?

We seem to be saving a number of things for the Super Bowl.

Indeed Good rule of thumb, never discuss politics online. LOL Thanks BTW! True, but at the same time, grace needs to be extended to those that were wrong for purposes of continued civil discussion. As an example, there's a prominent poster that's been on me like white on rice in our all but diametrical view of McD. And I'm not the only one, just using me as an example. He's put up one of those "red X's on just about every post even remotely critical of mine re: McD. But not once have I made a "see I told you so post." Why not? He sees it too. No need for me or anyone to hammer it in. Now if he continues on his path of support for McD, he's only asking for ardent opposition to it. So far he hasn't, so again, he's sees it too. If we had made the Super Bowl despite McD, with Dorsey leading the O, as I thought it would lead to record-setting scoring production, then McD, right or wrong, would have cemented himself as being a great coach. That's simply how narratives are. Those of us critical of McD would have to deal with it. Of course a Super Bowl win would have greased the skids of dealing with that situation nicely. LOL

Many of us have connected the dots in the seasons before this. Others continue to have insisted that McD is a much better coach than he is. It always unfolds like that. The downside for the apologists is that the day of reckoning typically comes hard and unmistakeably, which is the case this season. You know that I am among the critics, but dang if I saw this coming. I figured 10-7, possibly 11-6, maybe 2nd in the division, and either a Wild-Card or Divisional Round loss to an inferior opponent with more coaching gaffs. I figured that would be enough to swing the balance of support pro/anti McD away from him. What's going on now makes that look great. People take things way too personally in the forums, pretty much any forums. Instead of merely discussing the team and agreeing to disagree, there's way too much focus on being right. Who cares. No need to slam people for being wrong, but it often happens because the people that end up being wrong hammered others for not harboring their opinions, before they were proven incorrect. If people were simply allowed to discuss the team in disagreement often, then these situations wouldn't arise. It's very likely that those fellow fans are trying to cope with all of this themselves, and in some cases continuing on the tack that they held prior to their narrative collapse, by redirecting it at others. Or their simply struggling to come to grips with the fact that what they believed was false. That's just the nature of forums. It also doesn't mean that they deserve to be slammed either though.

Unreasonable has to be defined that way. Obviously many take issue with it being unreasonable, hence the length of the thread. But you started your thread by saying this ... Spin it any way that you want to, but you're assault is on a very good and likely majority of our fellow fanbase. It is what it is. Why go there? Why misplace your anger (or irritation or whatever you choose to call it in your play of semantics) onto fellow Bills fans? Otherwise, your first two paragraphs launch into the fans. In the third you boost and promote yourself in contrast to those that you slam thereby attempting to place yourself in a morally superior position. That always goes well here. LOL In the fourth you say that you're not calling out critical fans, but many of those are the ones stating that they're only going to watch the games if it's convenient. So what? Why should you even care, whether they post here or not. In your last paragraph, you directly criticize any and all fans that aren't as avid as we are and don't spend as much time as we do, either independently analyzing the team as many of us here do, or otherwise posting here. Most don't have that kind of time for one or more reasons. This just in, many of the fans that sit in that stadium and have bought STs and likely even more so luxury suites, don't spend nearly as much time as we do here, with us here having it be a little bit, or a lotta bit, more than a simple pasttime, hobby, or pleasure in life. They're there at the games though, right? They pay their money, more of it than many of us here that analyze the team do even, with many of us not being in a position to buy seasons, either financially or logistically, right? Who is anyone to criticize them. As for me personally, here's what I don't get. The NFL is a business they say. So when Pegula implies that he's moving the team if doesn't get subsidies from NY State, aka the taxpayers either directly or indirectly, that's fine, and it's a business. When players say that they want their money or they'll go elsewhere, with many of 'em not even earning it here after they get it, that's fine, and it's a business. The exorbitant concession prices, parking, soon-to-be STs that cost approximately twice what they're running now, in WNY, with PSLs on top of that, it's a business. But when the team sucks, the players don't play to their contracts, the owner that insisted on getting free public monies to not relocate the team cannot wait to give his coach and GM extenstions, but blindly extends them despite a catastrophe of a season in play that he could have easily waited out, and thereby putting himself into a precarious position as such, not to mention that same head coach destroying any semblance of the pretty much the exclusive thing he's known for, that ill-defined "winning culture," all while taking a rare generational talent that we as fans only dreamed of having, and contributing to beating him into the ground mentally and emotionally, losing to a bunch of teams that aren't even nor ever were in contention for making the playoffs much less advancing in them, while nearly losing to another, we as fans are supposed to treat it as something more than a business then? It's not right to insist that everyone treat this team and their affections for it the way that you do. Many here take time out from their lives to spend 3-4 hours every Sunday, time away from kids, grandkids, other pursuits in life, perhaps making more money that they need. I know people that don't make a lot of money in life, yet they spend a good chunk of what they do earn on going to a Bills game or two during the season. Now with the team, its coach, and everything else associated with it, coming into the WNY family room, and taking a huge dump in the middle of the floor, perfect loyalty, interest, passion, and attention are expected from all fans far and wide by you and others? Does that truly sound like a rational approach to you?