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He was a tremendously risky signing to begin with. He'd have had to have been great for 3 seasons in order for it to have worked out. The risk side has played out. But let's not forget why we took that risk, because Beane hadn't been able to find an effective edge-rusher in four drafts prior to that.

Not sure the HS rules, but then that should be a completion end-of-play, right? As some have said, in college and HS the receiver is down even if no one touches him.

Then it's incomplete, no? Why wouldn't it be incomplete?

Who's on first! Seriously though, if the ball hits the ground, it's never a catch. This is confusing ... ... why is a catch if the other team grabs the ball before hitting the ground? Was the pass incomplete before the other team's player grabs it? If the ball hits the ground, technically it should be incomplete, right? Once it's incomplete, it's incomplete. Fun things to discuss while biting our nails awaiting our first playoff game. LOL

So the WR caught the ball, went down, the ball came loose after he was technically down?

Great, provide the link. Don't hammer me for responding to a non-working link then. No need to get uncivil here. Also, do you believe everything that every player says in his own defense? Be careful with that, there are some that I'll post that you won't like if you say you agree with all. Seriously though, I am incredibly interested how other than for a pre-snap alignment, there could possibly be any "miscommunication" between to players that weren't even near each other and far from earshot of one another. I see a ridiculous pre-snap defensive alignment essentially saying, "here, take 20+ yards" though. So can most people.

You didn't address the specific situation. Some general quote not directly applicable hardly supports what you said. Should we requote it? Seriously, I'm very open to the possibility that there was "miscommunication between Wallace and Poyer" in that context. I asked you to explain it and you did not. It's a pretty good stretch though to cite that for two players that were nearly 30 yards apart. AND, following one of our time-outs. Typically "miscommunication" on pass plays involves when receiving players are breaking immediately following the snap and there's confusion/miscommunication on who's got whom in coverage. Saying that a player that was backpeddling 20-some yards away had a "miscommunication" with another player that was covering a man, ... LOL, talk about not fitting narratives. That sounds like something that will end up in McDimwit's memoirs next to a picture of Bart Simpson: "I didn't do it!" But whatever, we're all free to believe whatever we want.

Then go to my first post on the topic. Seriously? I think I know what I said initially and why, thank you! Either way, as long as you're having your childish fun, that's really the important takeaway here. So anything I can do to contribute, happy to do.

Was simply pointing it out. Talk about making mountains out of molehills. LOL But as long as you're enjoying yourself ...

I was trying to reinforce your point by saying he hasn't done much anywhere else. 3 total tackles on STs, that's it besides last week's FF, which frankly, would have been a lot more useful in a whole bunch of other games, not in one where our opponent had all but zero chance to win the game from the opening whistle. ... except for us no-showing. He's had a few routine blocks that any player could make, but I haven't seen any blocks this year that should make anyone think that any JAG RB that doesn't suck at blocking can't make them. I'm in agreement with you.

Today is arguably the lynchpin game for determing that. If we come out and play a well-executed game on both sides, no major coaching issues/blunders, and Allen doesn't get jittery, it's a postiive sign despite still being unlikely. A loss under any circumstances pretty much ices things however. Today is arguably the lynchpin game for determing that. If we come out and play a well-executed game on both sides, no major coaching issues/blunders, and Allen doesn't get jittery, it's a postiive sign despite still being unlikely. A loss under any circumstances pretty much ices things however. Every game is a playoff game for us at this point.

LOL, exactly! You forgot to add Mitchell's career playoff QB Rating of 23, average of 116 passing yards/game, 42.6% compl. %, 4.3 YPA and .5 AYPA. If only Sanders had held up his end of the deal ...

I've been specifically watching Gilliam on offense and can say that unless I've missed one or two plays, I haven't even seen him on one significant block much less one signifiicant play. I've seen him in there as a receiving option that Allen's never gone to. Those are some of his O snaps. If you see one, point it out to me. The only team that's done anything notable vs. the Eagles in running the ball is Pacheco and KC last week. That's it. The Eagles have the #1 Rushing D in the league. They allow a stingy 76.5 yards rushing/game, and have only allowed 3 rushing TDs all season.

Good thing he's not getting paid very much then. Gilliam gets about the same, after we include Gabe's escalators. On base contact he gets three times as much. Other than one (great) play against the Jets, what's he done besides be a JAG on STs. Other than that play last week, he's got no offensive stats and not one notable offensive play, and 2 solo and 1 combined/assisted tackle on STs, in nearly 300 snaps. Nearly $3M for that. SMH ... Beane sure knows how to corral the good ones. LOL

The preseason hype on Sherfield was ridiculously unreasonable. 2 years $9.5M Half guaranteed Sherfield costs nearly what Davis does with Davis escalators. The heat that Davis takes as a cheap WR ... SMFH

They're Bledsoe-esque. Mitchel complaining about a documentary about Sanders is like Ferguson complaining about a documetary about Simpson, or Jim McMahon complaining about a documentary about Payton.

It's excellent! Very well done.

No, that's not what was meant.

He's reached his ceiling under McD. It's higher with a proper coach that understands offense better.

Yeah, that was the implication. Gotta be careful how you pitch things here. LOL

Well, when it happens more than once or twice, it would seem to point to a significant disconnect between the Head Coach and the GM, at minimum.

Who has brought something to change that? Either way, no disagreement here. IMO this entire debate about Davis loses something given that he's one of the lowest paid players on the team. If people don't like that we don't have anyone better, point the finger at Beane. If you or others don't care that he's a captain, then point the finger at McD. But for some reason, Davis takes almost all of the heat for stuff that he has absolutely no control over.

Davis takes a lot of heat for a WR that gets paid as little as he's been paid. It'd be one thing if he were brought on at $10/season or something, but he's far from that. His original contact w/o escalators was less than $1M/season. It seems that a lot of the dissatisfaction with Davis would be more appropriately directed at Beane. But he appears to be off-limits in this context. As a reminder, Davis was a late 4th-round pick, the 22nd pick in the 4th. He's done just fine considering. Will he be worth what he'll get in free-agency? Probably not. Could we use an upgrade, sure. But that's not Davis' fault.

Still the onset of a trend if it happens. Kind of like us not winning @ the Chargers. We haven't won out there in six games going back over 40 years. Right or wrong, makes sense or no sense, it's still a trend. Agree with Gunner, we find a way to win tomorrow. But we'll see.

I can't stop laughing! First of all, what about the pass to Hill on the prior play? What the pro-McD excuse for that one? Secondly, here's a clip of that Kelce play. I'd absolutely love to get your take, not the rest of the forum's, but your take on the "communicational breakdown" between Wallace and Poyer, who were what, 25 yards away from each other, with Wallace clearly the cover responsibility on Kelce? What was the breakdown? What was each "supposed to do?" ... Many would suggest that maybe Poyer shouldn't have been nearly 30 yards away from any play and backpeddling on the snap. How is that a "communication breakdown" between the two players? Did you mean a communication breakdown between Poyer and the sideline? Poyer's 27 yards from the line-of-scrimmage, and 20 yards from Wallace. Poyer immediately begins backpeddling when the ball is snapped, and doesn't even begin to reverse his momentum until Mahomes throws to Kelce. So I'm all ears as to this supposed breakdown between Wallace and Poyer who weren't even near each other, with Poyer nowhere near any receiver, much less Kelce. Let's also keep in mind that McD called a timeout immediately prior to that play, presumably to get it right. He certainly had plenty of time to think things through. Blaming anyone but McD for that loss is at least partially misguided. Has there ever been a coach that's taken less heat for the major gaffs of his own team than McD? Yeah, that goes without saying. That's fair, and I don't begrudge him doing that. He and the rest of the staff have to say whatever they need to say to keep team unity and increase their odds of optomizing their performance. The words are nice, but it'd also be nice if the executional aspects of our coaching followed suit. Wouldn't you say. And BTW, it still doesn't alter the fact that the only reason why we were even in that game, besides Allen, was Davis. Without Davis that day, McD has yet another horrible playoff loss on his hands.