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Not at all, I appreciate the objective take and questions and back-n-forth. To start, remember, it was McD that brought Benjamin (along with many other crap JAGS) over from Carolina. So let's not discount that. That aside, the level of talent on this roster was not significantly different from Ryan's two seasons, particularly his last one, to McD's first three, other than for Allen. In 2015 we scored 397 points. (23.7/game) ... and ranked 12th in offense as such. 2016: 399, 24.9, 10th 2017: 302, 18.9, 22nd 2018: 374, 23.4, 18th 2019: 314, 19.6, 23rd That's an average of 330 before Allen skyrocketed in 2020. Keep in mind that was with Taylor also in 2017, who posted his worst season here under McD too, and Allen in 2018 and 2019 apart from a few games where "Peterman gave us the best chances of winning," according to the one that you and others are going to bat for. The only worse average for any of our coaches, not only during the draft era, but for the Bills franchise at all, was Jauron. You can connect the dots. But one of the things that cannot be done is giving McD credit for Allen's rise. That should be a given at this point.

That in and of itself is fair, but what's been said about his game-day decision-making and other decisions being the primary core issue holding his team back? That's what's being said in Buffalo, ... and not only by Dunne. Don't you think that they could have afforded and worked in a little shift there? It's pretty certain they'd have worked it out somehow. LOL Either way, you're getting into the role of their GM there, Lynch. Whose romaticizing about other coaches in this thread? Or elsewhere? It's pretty simple, if McD really is holding the team up, which many many many other people besides Tyler Dunne clearly see as being the case, then why would anyone defend against moving on? At the end of the day, and this cannot possibly be emphasized enough, our current Bills team revolves entirely around the play of the offense. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, on record to suggest that McDoesn'tKnow has the first clue about the offense, driven by his own words now in fact, and oddly that he would even admit that, but it is what it is. If that doesn't spell things out clearly, nothing will other than complete and utter collapse. ... which may lie ahead.

LOL I've read people here citing our point-differential recently, as a reason why we're good. Has anyone saying that stopped to look that that "differential" was generated in the first four games of the season. +84 It's been +17 since. -9 not considering our beat down of the hapless Jets. I'm hardly defending Dorsey, but we do not know what changed to turn a +21/game PD offense into one that can't even score more than it allows. "Complimentary Football" explains that for the astute.

I don't know about that. Many coaches get a pass because their talent isn't all that. Factor in that McD has one of the few premier QBs in the game today, and a historical first, the bar should be quite a bit higher than say it's been for Shanahan in San Fran with Garoppolo, Mullens, and Purdy, don't you think? Put Allen on the Niners and they're winning b2b Super Bowls. As it is, Shanahan's taken them once and lost two conference CGs, with Garoppolo the Neil O'Donnell of the modern era. I haven't read anything stating that Shanahan's the single dimension holding up the team. People critizing Dunne should simply come out and accuse him of lying. He's either honest and telling the truth, or not. Based on my experiences Dunne's a very honest person. Objective, which many don't like. That shouldn't be on him however.

In the same way that biased McD supporters have been preaching for years. By the end of the season, perhaps sooner, if not by then, then next season, we'll know more. You do realize that the worst scoring offenses since our drought era began, before Allen took off in 2020, i.e. with one year under Taylor and two under Allen from 2017 to 2019, have been the worst on average, other than Jauron's, whose ranked only one spot lower, 26th compared to McD's 25th. If it isn't blatant that McD is clueless about offense at this point, I don't think that it will ever be to anyone defending him. But given that we have Allen and that the strength of our team is the offense, this isn't a difficult puzzle to solve. Really.

I'm not going to discuss myself. If you want to discuss the content, that's fine.

Not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm hardly one for hammering people that were wrong, much less touting myself, but given your comment I'll stand up for myself and say that I predicted all of this, so it's also hardly a baseless bias. You too and everyone else will be finding out more as time passes, just as we already have. Your insinuation, implicitly, that Dunne is lying about his sources and interviews is ridiculous. And when he's posted favorable things here, everyone applauds. The most biased people in the mix are the handful and extreme minority that are still backing McD, who's done enough all by himself via his own statements to validate that he's in over his head. Either way, I'd prefer it if you'd stick to the discussion rather than go down the path of ad hominem. I don't do that to you or anyone else, please don't do it to me.

BTW, in the entire mix of this topic, who do you think are the most biased people? For my money I'm going for the McD apologists.

So how did Dorsey's offense come out firing for four games then? Why was it that "complimentary football" only entered the equation after that? A wise person would question what's going on behind the scenes.

People are hammering his sources. Lots of posters here have hammered Aaron Rodgers, ... to be fair. I'm sure some of the same ones complaining about it. Just sayin' He did fine on the beginning of the season? What changed? Did you happen to notice that McDoesn'tKnow's "complimentary football" MO emerged during that time?

LOL Really? How many journalists do you think would have sources if they constantly outed them? If you read them, even just the free stuff, which is all I did, much of what you tough on via implication is addressed.

I'll disagree. In reading between the lines of the last six seasons, and remembering how futile our offense was in the first three from 2017 to 2019, worse than all of his predecessors prior going back to 2011, and with Allen at the helm instead of Fitzpatrick, Manuel, Orton and Taylor, the latter of which McD got less from, by nearly a TD/game, than Ryan did, and Ryan was hardly a genius much less an offensive genius either; and considering that there were already "hotseat" conversations back in 2019 before Allen exploded, having all but nothing to do with McD, it all makes perfect sense. McD apologists and supporters bury their heads in the sand over his blatant avoidance of any real responsibility over how poorly but more importantly, inconsistently, his team plays. Anywhere else in the league and it's the head coach's issue. Here in Buffalo because of the "got us to the playoffs" thing, he's almost attained a god-like status that hasn't been earned given his sheer and utter underperformance in the playoffs. If you read the pieces, it says what others including myself have pointed out over time, that, he's not a bad guy in the normal sense, but his methodologies drive people away, despite his good intentions. The thing in the piece that resonates with me and no doubt many others, is that several people that Dunne claims to have interviewed, have expressed that the team needs to overcome McD rather than him contributing to the team's on-field success. That sentiment has been expressed here in these forums with no uncertainty by any number of people over time, so that's hardly a reach in terms of being factual. It's actually a reach thinking the opposite. But it's not possible that a strong-willed person like McD would double down on his methodologies?

There's plenty of info in the first three parts that are free.

It stands to reason that's what McD means when he says "complimentary football." It's likely his way of saying that the offense supports the defense, in a nutshell. It's also corroborates Dunne's conclusions. This is all going to come out over time. We'll see. It almost always does. And Dorsey's not going to sit still in interviews and continue to take the heat for McD when his future employment is on the line and McD wasn't loyal to him. Why do you think that McDimwit endorsed Dorsey? Likely because he toed the "complimentary football" line. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens with Brady, particularly now that the vast majority of fans want McD gone and the vast majority of the media back that notion. We tend to play well for a few games with a renewed energy, as in the past two games with Brady. Brady's going to have his hands full with the Chiefs' D on Sunday, which has yet not allowed more than 21 offensive points this season at home, and that only once, 17 once after that, and 14 twice tops otherwise. McD's effectively run out of people to blame and his own flaws are now being fully exposed. He's doing quite the job of making the most out of the rope that he's provided himself with. It's a little surprising how quickly and decisively he got to this point, but the outcome was easily predictable.

Right, but still McD's pick. Otherwise, why is Allen choosing the OC. It's rhetorical, but anyone that isn't in a state of denial fully realizes that McDoesn'tKnow doesn't know offense, and that if it ever came down to a popularity contest between him and Allen, he wouldn't stand a chance, in any way, shape, or form. He's catering to Allen. It's also my position that the reason why he won't hire a noted OC capable of making this offense run on all 8 cylinders optimally, is that he doesn't want to be replaced by that person after his defenses continue to fail us in the playoffs while the offense shines. That position is very much in line with this piece by Dunne. And BTW, Dunne is typically incredibly well researched. He doesn't just float garbage for clicks as some have speculated. Either way and no matter how much it's discussed and dissected, it's a dysfunctional mess right now. McD came first. Then Allen. McD wouldn't even be here right now had Allen not skyrocketed in terms of performance in 2020. He was already taking "hotseat" heat after 2019 and out playoffs debacle there. Had Allen been here before McD was, not a chance that McD would have landed the job. And now this nonsense with Von Miller. As O'Halloran said in his piece, Pegula just fired two people for having a sincere and normal relationship with one another within the organization. But he's endorsing Von Miller playing. The hypocrisy reeks. That befalls McD and his "character" mantra as well. He's a dead-man walking, it's just a matter of how long Pegs keeps him around. Beane's in no position to fire him on his own. He'll likely be the one that delivers the pink-slip, but he's not going to stab the guy that gave him the job under the unlikeliest of circumstances.

I think that McDoesn'tKnow lucked into Allen, is the one that chose Dorsey, both back then and to succeed Daboll, etc. I know that it's his team. We know that he's never come clean on who was responsible for "13 Seconds," has never defined his precious "Process," and generally has admitted that he's clueless as to what's wrong with his own team. Now, what was that you were saying about Dorsey?

$2 billion? LOL ... Buckle up!

Yeah, this was pretty obvious before the season started. It was also just a matter of time before this came out. McD's increasingly running out of scapegoats. Our franchise really doesn't need this.

BTW, I meant NHL record territory, not just team. There too?

Adding to what you said, what makes it difficult to take in, is watching a dirt-track race car driver being handed a state-of-the-art Formula One car, and not having any idea how to handle it. Then losing races when he should be winning. This consistent underachievement is a morale killer.

The Sabres are going on their 13th playoffs-less season. They have to be well into record territory in that way. IDK as I don't follow hockey.

AMEN and AMEN!!! Here's my post in the Coaching/QB Desert thread just now: The underlying premise of your entire post is that McDoesn'tKnow is actually contributing to our winning. Is he? Seems to just about everyone except for his most stubborn and ardent supporters, that he's a weak link, not something that propels this team forward, other than with the typical nonpalpable soft indicators like character, culture based upon "The Process," which to date absolutely no one has defined, not even him, etc. The counter argument is that it really shouldn't take very much to consistently get top performance from this offense, not only in the regular season, but also in the playoffs. That's something that we haven't seen with McDoesn'tKnow in charge. To a whole lot of people we're getting about as little as possible from this assemblage of talent on offense. What, Allen's going to be a 12th-ranked QB? LOL, not a chance. As it has been posed in the past, McD's arrival preceded Allen's. Had Allen been here first, what are the odds that someone making the decision on which coach to hire, would have put McD on the short list? That seems incredibly unlikely as he's a bad fit for that. Simply because he was here first does not make him a good fit, nor does it mitigate, diminish, much less eliminate his liabilities to this team. The two, Allen and McD, simply aren't made for each other.

The underlying premise of your entire post is that McDoesn'tKnow is actually contributing to our winning. Is he? Seems to just about everyone except for his most stubborn and ardent supporters, that he's a weak link, not something that propels this team forward, other than with the typical nonpalpable soft indicators like character, culture based upon "The Process," which to date absolutely no one has defined, not even him, etc. The counter argument is that it really shouldn't take very much to consistently get top performance from this offense, not only in the regular season, but also in the playoffs. That's something that we haven't seen with McDoesn'tKnow in charge. To a whole lot of people we're getting about as little as possible from this assemblage of talent on offense. What, Allen's going to be a 12th-ranked QB? LOL, not a chance. As it has been posed in the past, McD's arrival preceded Allen's. Had Allen been here first, what are the odds that someone making the decision on which coach to hire, would have put McD on the short list? That seems incredibly unlikely as he's a bad fit for that. Simply because he was here first does not make him a good fit, nor does it mitigate, diminish, much less eliminate his liabilities to this team. The two, Allen and McD, simply aren't made for each other.

That's interesting, thanks! I've always wondered why they didn't try harder. From a fan perspective my thought was always, "he's getting paid so much, hustle it out." So that makes sense.

One of the things that I like better about AAA ball is that the players seem to be trying harder.