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It's never-ending, that's part of the problem.

Just another example of him unraveling a foot of the proverbial rope that he's gathered to hang himself with. Add everything up, game day related stuff, team stuff, Von Miller, 9/11 thing, etc. etc., it's simply befuddling.

And then some either by word or action, or lack of action.

OK, so let's drill down here. You're saying that you don't trust that he's telling the truth then? Spill it, what, exactly, are you saying about his sources? They don't exist? They're lying? You're word salad here is without direction. Just step out and say it. We're all family here. LOL

BTW, given our discussion, can you define "Complimentary Football" as McD states it? I can't wait to hear this. Really.

How would I know. So you're insinuating that he really hasn't then? If you were a journalist and relied upon confidentiality for your sources, you're saying you'd violate those unwritten agreements and tell the world who told you what? Come on ... that's a ridiculous question and you know it.

Your questions are tangents, that's why. All this tertiary crap, who cares. And when you come straight out and say that year by year established numbers aren't facts, .... LOL Let's just call this.

Does he have good assistants now, or simply yes-men that he dragged with him from a former team? There's not a single distinguished coach on this staff.

So you think that the people he's interviewing are lying because they're disgruntled then. OK Maybe. He's interviewed a lot of people, that's a lot of people to "agree" on those points if there's nothing there. Oh well, we'll find out more at some point. It's not all that important anyway. And what do you think they'd include in that in terms of how great of a head coach he is?

To the tune of 30 PPG or so?

BTW, much of what is in Dunne's piece has been obvious for a while. But as you say, if he truly is the guy portrayed in this article, even half of it as someone else said, this situation is going to go from bad to worse fairly quickly. Once stuff like this gets out and people, no doubt including players and coaches, talk, it's just a matter of time. As has been my contention all along, McD's slowly hanging himself after setting the scenario for it by giving himself all the rope he needs. You didn't do it. I didn't do it. We're irrelevant in the scenario. He's doing it to himself. When you preach character, and things like "The Process" but never define it, or "Complimentary Football" but never define it, etc., and things go south because of your own hypocrisy, people notice, whether they be players, coaches, fans, media, etc. I mean keeping Cook off the field for performance reasons, but applauding and fully standing behind Dorsey after mega failure, ... that sends a message whether he wants it to be sent or not. The players will run through a wall for Allen, would they do it for McD? Maybe that's what Diggs' beef was all about. One of the biggest things being mentioned in this thread, although not taking up much space, is that McD's assistants are all reliant upon him for their jobs, so they're unlikely to speak out. If they were all that great, then they wouldn't have trouble finding jobs elsewhere. It's quite possible that they're not, which is why they're so supportive. We don't have a single coach on this staff that has distinguished himself in any significant way in the NFL. Not one. That comes back to McD.

If for no other reason, I have no idea how you keep a head coach on with both the demonstrated as well as articulated (by himself) disconnect with the Allen and the Offense, which is the core strength of the team. If we were the Niners or Ravens, relying our D, maybe, but this gap in competence should be the elephant in the kitchen sink.

The biggest "surprise" takeaway is multiple people stating that McD is a factor that needs to be overcome to win at the highest levels, not one that contributes. That sentiment has been expressed by a wide variety of people, thereby rendering it unlikely that players and coaches, former or otherwise, do not also see that. Even if Dunne's lying through his teeth about players/coaches saying that, it's still blatant. Arguing over who believes it or said it would appear to be irrelevant.

So how do you explain the massive difference in scoring production from our first four weeks and since then? It can't be the competition, the caliber of defenses in Dorsey's next 6 games before being fired was poor, not a team currently ranked in the top-10, four of six ranked 20th or worse. The "blueprint" as you put it was out from last season, not new for this one. What's your explanation?

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought that a certain number of points on record was a fact. My bad. Things are clearing up as to our differences of opinion. So having said all of that, Dorsey's entirely at fault, McD bears only a modicum token of responsibility, and McD's responsible for how good Allen is? Is that how we all should read that? Again, I've never defended Dorsey, I have no idea why you're on my pant-leg about that. Let go already. LOL

No doubt. I'd part from McD because he's not competent enough. He's clearly never going to outcoach his playoff peers. That's a huge problem if you want to win a Championship, which is something that Pegula needs to understand and come to grips with, and make a decision regarding. But the biggest single and incredibly simplistic reason why I'd move on from McD is that there's a complete disconnect between him and the core strength of this team, namely Allen and the Offense. Watching him plug-n-play varying OCs, to date all having ties to W&M or Carolina, more on that in a moment, hoping to find the right one, because he clearly won't hire from elsewhere and get a better one, with my theory being the logical one that he refuses to hire anyone that won't do what he says despite his ignorance in the matter, and therefore won't hire a competent one for fear that he'll end up getting replaced because his own house, "Defense," is anything but in order come playoff time. As to W&M/Carolina, what on earth are the odds that the best candidates for that position to get the most from Josh & the O, were people with that background? Sure, it's possible, but it's also ridiculously unlikely. Don't know, but it was McD's decision much in the way that he was literally the only one in the world, including of his own coaching staff, that claimed that Peterman gave us the best chances of winning. Those decisions come with a price if they're wrong. Or should anyway, for a head coach. How many times can a head coach be so wrong about so many things and still be regarded as competent. His nepotistic ways are not helping him in this regard. Yeah, that's pretty much the substantiated narrative now. Again, we'll find out more once he's gone, whenever that is. But at some point it's likely that he loses the lockerroom, and I don't see that his decision re: Von Miller has helped him in that way, backed by Pegula. That's a bad look for the team, Bills' mafia, etc. Remember, he just fired two people that had a normal yet romantic relationship from his staff. Now he's letting a player with a past history of domestic abuse and in hot water at the moment for what looks to be more than "nothing," take the field. This is not decision-making by a rational person that constantly decries character.

No, it isn't complicated. But I'm not defending Dorsey. I never wanted Dorsey as an OC. I was always wait and see. So I have no idea what you're even referring to here. I'm anything but a Dorsey apologist. What you're doing is conflating the notion that I don't excuse McD from any of the current state of the team, with me being a Dorsey apologist. Sadly for you there's zero evidence of that. Sorry, there just isn't. Again, here are the facts. +84 of our current Point-Differential was due to an explosive offense in three of our first four games, after the Jets game that we went into entirely unprepared. That's for another thread though. Since then we're +17, -9 without the big game over the hapless Jets. Those are facts. Another fact is that McD's phrase, "complimentary football" did not make an appearance, at least not that I'm aware of, until after that point in time. Obviously something changed in our offense after we got back from England, or maybe even for that Jags game, either way, doesn't matter. That's also indisputable. So what was it? What, Dorsey just said "f-it, we're scoring too much, I need to slow this ship down." ? I'm not nor have ever defended Dorsey, in fact I don't defend any coach that's currently on this staff. Not one, not even Brady until he strings a half-season together consistently, which we'll find out here in December. But something changed, so what was it?

Not at all, I appreciate the objective take and questions and back-n-forth. To start, remember, it was McD that brought Benjamin (along with many other crap JAGS) over from Carolina. So let's not discount that. That aside, the level of talent on this roster was not significantly different from Ryan's two seasons, particularly his last one, to McD's first three, other than for Allen. In 2015 we scored 397 points. (23.7/game) ... and ranked 12th in offense as such. 2016: 399, 24.9, 10th 2017: 302, 18.9, 22nd 2018: 374, 23.4, 18th 2019: 314, 19.6, 23rd That's an average of 330 before Allen skyrocketed in 2020. Keep in mind that was with Taylor also in 2017, who posted his worst season here under McD too, and Allen in 2018 and 2019 apart from a few games where "Peterman gave us the best chances of winning," according to the one that you and others are going to bat for. The only worse average for any of our coaches, not only during the draft era, but for the Bills franchise at all, was Jauron. You can connect the dots. But one of the things that cannot be done is giving McD credit for Allen's rise. That should be a given at this point.

That in and of itself is fair, but what's been said about his game-day decision-making and other decisions being the primary core issue holding his team back? That's what's being said in Buffalo, ... and not only by Dunne. Don't you think that they could have afforded and worked in a little shift there? It's pretty certain they'd have worked it out somehow. LOL Either way, you're getting into the role of their GM there, Lynch. Whose romaticizing about other coaches in this thread? Or elsewhere? It's pretty simple, if McD really is holding the team up, which many many many other people besides Tyler Dunne clearly see as being the case, then why would anyone defend against moving on? At the end of the day, and this cannot possibly be emphasized enough, our current Bills team revolves entirely around the play of the offense. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, on record to suggest that McDoesn'tKnow has the first clue about the offense, driven by his own words now in fact, and oddly that he would even admit that, but it is what it is. If that doesn't spell things out clearly, nothing will other than complete and utter collapse. ... which may lie ahead.

LOL I've read people here citing our point-differential recently, as a reason why we're good. Has anyone saying that stopped to look that that "differential" was generated in the first four games of the season. +84 It's been +17 since. -9 not considering our beat down of the hapless Jets. I'm hardly defending Dorsey, but we do not know what changed to turn a +21/game PD offense into one that can't even score more than it allows. "Complimentary Football" explains that for the astute.

I don't know about that. Many coaches get a pass because their talent isn't all that. Factor in that McD has one of the few premier QBs in the game today, and a historical first, the bar should be quite a bit higher than say it's been for Shanahan in San Fran with Garoppolo, Mullens, and Purdy, don't you think? Put Allen on the Niners and they're winning b2b Super Bowls. As it is, Shanahan's taken them once and lost two conference CGs, with Garoppolo the Neil O'Donnell of the modern era. I haven't read anything stating that Shanahan's the single dimension holding up the team. People critizing Dunne should simply come out and accuse him of lying. He's either honest and telling the truth, or not. Based on my experiences Dunne's a very honest person. Objective, which many don't like. That shouldn't be on him however.

In the same way that biased McD supporters have been preaching for years. By the end of the season, perhaps sooner, if not by then, then next season, we'll know more. You do realize that the worst scoring offenses since our drought era began, before Allen took off in 2020, i.e. with one year under Taylor and two under Allen from 2017 to 2019, have been the worst on average, other than Jauron's, whose ranked only one spot lower, 26th compared to McD's 25th. If it isn't blatant that McD is clueless about offense at this point, I don't think that it will ever be to anyone defending him. But given that we have Allen and that the strength of our team is the offense, this isn't a difficult puzzle to solve. Really.

I'm not going to discuss myself. If you want to discuss the content, that's fine.

Not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm hardly one for hammering people that were wrong, much less touting myself, but given your comment I'll stand up for myself and say that I predicted all of this, so it's also hardly a baseless bias. You too and everyone else will be finding out more as time passes, just as we already have. Your insinuation, implicitly, that Dunne is lying about his sources and interviews is ridiculous. And when he's posted favorable things here, everyone applauds. The most biased people in the mix are the handful and extreme minority that are still backing McD, who's done enough all by himself via his own statements to validate that he's in over his head. Either way, I'd prefer it if you'd stick to the discussion rather than go down the path of ad hominem. I don't do that to you or anyone else, please don't do it to me.

BTW, in the entire mix of this topic, who do you think are the most biased people? For my money I'm going for the McD apologists.