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There's a lot to debate there. But what's interesting is that you cite Mahomes as a top-3 QB and us beating them as a positive, while leap-frogging the fact that the WRs that he has in addition to an aging 34-year old primary target TE aren't even as good as Diggs, Davis, or Kincaid otherwise. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. What we're seeing in KC is exactly the importance of having something other than JAGs as WRs.

We'd better hope that Diggs doesn't make a stink to get out of here. Anyone convinced that he won't is being naive given the circumstances and playoffs pending. We may very well need #1 and #2 WRs.

3.7 YPC by Cook in the five games other than Dallas. Again, it's quite possible and even very likely that Brady's offense now has enough video of it for opposing DCs to effectively plan against it. @ Miami and then the playoffs if they happen will reveal more. It's not difficult to see this not ending well, this entire "complimentary football" crap. We have Allen and yet we like stubborn children refuse to build around him and provide him with top weapons. Instead we focus on the running game and relegate Allen to being a game manager in at least some sense. SMFH.

We likely haven't heard the end from Diggs. Not sure why anyone thinks he'll be content upon the season ending. It's not him. Not sure why anyone ever thought that either Sherfield or Harty would do anything. Both have had one decent season in 11 combined seasons for a 4/5 WR, but both times on teams bereft of WR talent otherwise, thereby forcing the situations. Neither has ever "stepped up" so to speak. They've done all but nothing in 9 other combined seasons. There's a reason for that. The neglect at WR has been insane. But that's what comes with "The Process," a defensive-minded head coach that's obsessed with the play of his D, and now grasping at anything to keep his job and doing it in the only way he knows how, and now "complimentary football" which we don't hear other teams with top QBs talking about. This week's game and then, if it happens, the ensuing playoff games, are going to be revealing and further expose what's wrong with this team. Have we maximized and optimized that player's usage? Has what the team said about our offense upon his drafting come to pass?

"Complimentary football." Focus on the Defense as if it's the '90s and RBs are essential to success despite all of the rules favoring QBs, receivers, and the passing game. Let's see if it A, gets us to the playoffs, and B, what it does when we get there. Nothing like minimizing the strength of our team. Yeah yeah, 5-1 since Brady took over. All but ignored are that we played the Chargers JV team, the Jets, and Pats for three of those 5 wins, ... and nearly lost two of them. Hardly inspiring. Our two highest scoring games under Brady were also coincidentally our two with the most passing yards. The Jets and Philly. Dallas is the single outlier and we caught them in a three-game slump, continuing, where they're averaging fewer than 17 PPG, over two TDs less than their season average in their other 13 games. In the other three games, vs. the Chargers JV, the Pats, both of which we nearly lost, only winning the NE game because of the D, and KC, wherein we were outgained by both KC and NE, we averaged 23.7 PPG. KC's offense blows this season. They're ranked 12th in scoring. KC's in a slump of their own, going 4-5 in their last 9 with losses to Denver, Green Bay, and the Raiders. Not sure that this is the recipe for beating the Fins or playoff success, but we'll find out shortly. How many other teams are there that have had top-3 QBs but haven't made them the focus of their teams. (rhetorical).

Interesting thread! Here's some more detail. Looking at his career splits, and without any detail, it seems that his November is the problematic month. His Decembers are good from a scoring perspective primarily. His QB Rating is worst in December, but his stats otherwise, again, sans any detail, are second only to October. Career Sept: 13-7 (20 games), 468 of 717, 65.3%, 5,156, 36/18 (2-to-1), 92.7, 53 Sacks for 333 yards, 257.8 Y/G Oct: 15-7 (22 games), 472 of 726, 65.0%, 5,522, 44/15 (2.9 to 1), 99.5, 30 Sacks for 174 yards, 251.0 Y/G Nov: 13-9 (22 games), 466 of 722, 64.5%, 5,401, 33/22 (1.5 to 1), 89.6, 42 Sacks for 263 yards, 245.5 Y/G Dec: 17-8 (25 games), 481 of 815, 59.0%, 5,428, 44/16 (2.75 to 1), 88.8, 44 Sacks for 275 yards, 217.1 Y/G

Sept: 13-7 Oct: 15-7 Nov: 13-9 Dec: 17-8

The thread is about the DL, but given how inconsistent our offense is, Beane's greater concern and focus should be on probing into why and then making the associated corrections there before he does anything else. Enough time and energy had been spent on the D in his six years here. Unless that D wins us a Championship, and to date it's been what has prevented one in the playoffs ... JMO

Well, so far, and if we include Miami twice, we'll have faced only five 10-win teams. Anytime there's been a 10-win team in the division, that's two games. But by the same vein, how many times have we played 7 teams with 6 or fewer wins. We played five 10-win teams in 2021. We played seven 10-win teams in 2020.

There is zero evidence that the defense is capable of propelling this team to a championship. To the contrary if anything. Was it merely because of our offense that we lost five other games?

Preseason? Why does that matter? Also, that 2014 team was led by Orton, as we've discussed in the past. A washed-up Jackson was our RB. So to go only a game better with Allen and Cook would seem to be seriously underachieving, the reasons notwithstanding. That 2004 team was led by Bledsoe. Same there.

BTW, here's another perspective. After 16 games we're 10-6. That's only a game better than Malarkey's 2004 team and Marrone's 2014 team, both of which had much more difficult schedules, Marrone's the second toughest schedule over that same 15-years. It's also only a game better than McD's inaugural season with Taylor at QB. I'm going by the strength of schedule metrics.

Here's where I would push back on that. We've had the easiest schedule we've had in 15 seasons. The AFC is the weakest it's been since McD arrived. IMO 13-4 given the level of talent that we have on O, and now in hindsight particularly that we've had the least injured OL in the league, with each OL-man posting over a 96.5% snap count, and with Torrence at 100%, the addition of Kincaid, the emergence of Cook as one of the best, possibly second only to McCaffrey, 13 wins should have easily been expected. As it is, our scoring, now with Allen in his fourth emergent season, will be less than it was over the past three seasons, which is inexcusable given the above. JMO

Just a thought, maybe the reason why we haven't has to do with coaching. Just sayin'.

OK, great, but when you said all that it was preseason. Rodgers went out for the Jets. Herbert was out for the Chargers when we played them. So was Allen and Bosa BTW. i.e., I'd take our injuries over theirs. If we had the same luck, Allen, Diggs, and Milano would all be out. KC, as it turns out, has no WRs. Not that this should have been a mystery, nonetheless. That's four games. I also think that you'd get quite a bit of argument here that Jax and the Chargers are closely matched. The Charger D sucks. Jax's offense, inexplicably perhaps, is ranked 13th, their D 15th. Not sure that equates to being closely matched. Nor has Lawrence's play even approached Allen's, Cook's having a better year than Etienne, and the WRs/TEs are arguably comparable. We definitely have a significantly better D however. Thanks!! Either way, 12-4 right now is hardly unreasonable. So getting back to my point, and changing it from 13-3 to 12-4, if we were 12-4 right now we would likely have a legitimate shot at the 1st Seed, if not the #2 Seed and Division wrapped up already. That would have been a whole lot more impressive for McD rather than three losses to teams that by your implication, are not closely matched in terms of talent. Jets, NE, and Denver. Fine, let's say that throwing the ball over 70% of the time against a team whose defensive strength was their pass D wasn't a coaching issue, we still lost games that we shouldn't have to NE and Denver. At the end of the day, McD's disposition has absolutely zero to do with how or what anyone here says or thinks. His disposition will depend upon his own judgement and coaching on remaining gamedays. You did say that, otherwise we never would have been in disagreement. I do not disagree with the adjusted take that you now seem to have on Gilliam. My take was that he was never worth the $2M+ that his contract was for. It certainly hasn't been this season. Anyway, who cares. Let's call it. The thread search doesn't go back that far. It's not that important. .

I reviewed every single play in the KC game and found only one I think it was in which he made an impact. You said that he make a bunch in that game. I'm happy to do it again, it didn't take that long. The entire conversation came up when I cited his lack of stats for a player that was getting $2M+, and that's when you claimed that his contributions didn't show up on the stat sheet. "Key blocks" was among them. Then you cited that game, I went through and viewed every single play he was in, found that he made only one impact as I recall, you can find the posts if you want, and gave you the time-stamp of every play in the video. I cannot disprove something th You then said there were a whole bunch on the season. You never provided any others. Fact. Either way, that past us, do you think that Gilliam's done anything noteworthy to earn his $2M+ this season? I've asked this three times now and have yet to get an answer. It's a simple question. I don't even know why you'd hesitate to say no.

OK, so they're not a better team, you're simply saying that they outplayed us then, right? Out of curiosity, of the teams we've played, which do you think are better than we are on paper, this season, all things considered? Jets twice Pats twice Fins twice Chiefs Chargers Broncos Raiders Eagles Cowboys Washington Giants Jags Bengals Tampa

Well, you provided me two games, one was the KC game, which I went through play by play and disproved that. I then asked you for more games. You said you were in some pub and were in the middle of lunch and drinking or something and you'd get back to me. You never did. I've ignored it until now. As they say, best to let sleeping dogs lie. Either way, since you obviously had them documented, either mentally or somewhere, throw them out, I'll look at 'em and we can discuss further. Again, do you now claim that he's made any kind of significant impact this season besides that one TO? I know he had a big penalty on Sunday. I suppose that's impact, just not for us. Anyway, I'm all eyes and ears and have been waiting.

And naturally the coaches, particularly McD, had little control over us throwing the ball 70% of the time, over 2/3 of the plays, when the weakness of the Jets' D is their rushing D. OK Out of curiosity, what makes the Eagles better? What? Better OL? Better QB? RB? D? We've scored 430 and allowed 297. They've scored 423 and allowed 401. So out of curiosity, what in your mind makes them a better team? We can go over the offensive and defensive rankings in numerous categories if you'd like, but I don't think that they top us in any of them.

So are you now saying that Gilliam didn't make quite a few impact plays on offense last season then? Which is it?

Good luck getting a direct answer.

When sufficient info and facts aren't provided to produce a meaningful discussion, I'd place the reason for a lack of one onto the person making claims but not avowing them firmly.

No you didn't, and you cannot find the post where you did. You gave me like two from two games but claimed that he did it all season. When I pressed you, you said that. you were at some pub and then wasn't the time. Haven't heard a peep since. Feel free to find the posts if you think you did. Or better yet, produce all those "impact plays" at you called them I believe. And are you now claiming that he's made impact plays for the offense this season too now? Either way, who cares. But you do seem to be the only one that doesn't think we should have won the first games with the Jets and Pats, Denver, and Jags, or at least two or three of them. He'll sink or swim on his own. It's not like it's coming down to a forum vote as to whether or not he stays. LOL

Right, just like you gave me all of those games and plays where Gilliam was instrumental on big plays last season. ... which I'm still waiting on BTW. Just like that. Yeah, I get it. At least we should be able to agree that Gilliam's been just a JAG this season. A $2M+ JAG.

He has never had any trouble speaking for himself, thank you!