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Same for blaming the OC and QB for allowing 218 yards and 13 1st-Downs in the first half alone. Once again, our Defense goes AWOL in a "playoff game."

Three different OCs in as many seasons. Makes one wonder whether he's ph'd up because of that.

Enjoy the game Chans!

He also hasn't been in the league for 9 seasons. If you want to use that comp at least be honest and cite Agholor's first two seasons where he averaged just over 300 yards. That's part of the problem here, you and others can't be honest with your arguments. It makes it impossible to have an honest discussion. No sense in trying further. Enjoy the game! Of course not, otherwise you'd have to do a little bit more thinking on your postion re: McD. I understand.

So you don't think then, by implication, that we're better than the Steelers, Texans, Browns, Fins, and Chiefs ... this season? Well, OK. Otherwise, using that as an excuse every season, well, that's a huge part of the problem that we're having in these discussions between the two sides. LOL You don't know me, you couldn't be more wrong. You sound like the type that runs on emotions and fuels your arguments that way. You a woman? Asking for a friend.

Presumably you would agree that there's zero excuse, given the field, of not at minimum making the AFC CG, right?

OK, so Allen better than Lamar. Cook better and more versatile than Edwards who has very limited utility as a receiver and is more power back than speedster with agility like Cook. As to the WRs, let's stick to the group as a whole. Which is better, ... Flowers, OBJ, Andrews, Likely, and Agholor ... or .... Diggs, Davis, Kincaid, Knox, and Shakir? Don't leave Diggs and Kincaid out of the discussion and try to pass it off as if Baltimore has better WRs. Which team has the better top five WRs/TEs? You say that Likely is a vet, he's in his second season as a late 4th round draft pick. Hardly a seasoned vet. Agholor in 9 seasons has averaged about 500 yards and 4 TDs. Hardly much more than a JAG. Flowers is a rookie. Is there a reason why their WRs/TEs are more consistent and why their offense averages 1.5 PPG more than we do when their leading RB and leading WR don't even approach the production of ours? Thank you for a decent answer. We'll never know, but I'm curious what John Harbaugh would do with Allen as his QB over Jackson. It's time! GO BILLS!!!!

Of course they have. But why? Better talent? Why is their offense performing better than ours? The question can keep getting asked; Is Jackson better than Allen; Edwards better than Cook; Flowers, OBJ, Andrews, Likely, and Agholor better than Diggs, Davis, Kincaid, Knox, and Shakir? Why are they performing better? They're certainly performing more consistently. Why? Is it their level of talent that's superior to ours on offense?

Indeed. Mr. Process Mr. Complimentary Football Mr. I Wish I Knew Mr. "I Didn't Do It"

Let's hope that all of this emotional tough talk isn't sentient. That's not the question. Would you like to answer the question, or evade and tiptoe around it? Which ones are playing better, and why? Are they better players?

So you think that Jackson > Allen; Edwards > Cook; and the Ravens' WRs/TEs > than our WRs/TEs then? ... by implication.

Okay is right, hardly superlatively. Either way, the biggest games of the season are yet to come. McD apologists can see a cork put into the mouths of the rest with at least an AFC Championship. Unless of course we're not as good a Pitt/Pickett and their 27th ranked offense, Cleveland/Flacco and their 9th ranked O and 11th ranked D, Houston/the rookie Stroud and their 14th ranked O and 13th ranked D, the backslidden Chiefs and their 12th ranked O being carried by an old TE and a rookie WR, or Miami and their 21st ranked D. Baltimore, maybe, but is Jackson better than Allen; Edwards better than Cook; Flowers, OBJ, Andrews, Likely, and Agholor better than Diggs, Davis, Kincaid, Knox, and Shakir? If not, a good question would be how Baltimore is getting more out of them than we are out of ours. Don't you think?

BTW, you had asked earlier where/when we had discussed coaching before saying we hadn't. This thread is one of the several places.

The problem is that the worst ones are in the playoffs to end out hopes. Let's see what happens this season yet. Who knows, we may win it all and then we're all whistling past the graveyard in a manner of speaking.

Just sayin', it didn't cost them a pick. ... regardless of anything else.

Yeah, they did, and it didn't even cost them a draft spot. But yeah, the Jags were their own worst enemy today also. At least we're in although we'll all be a whole lot happier if we win tonight. Be nice if we win and Houston or Cleveland goes to Baltimore in the D-round with the Ravens rusty and beats them, putting the AFC CG in Buffalo.

That is insane. Achane's got 10 however, and he's only played half the season and started 3 games.

Seriously. If we end up 10-7, that's only half-game better than the 9-7 we were in 2017 with Taylor and otherwise with Orton and Bledsoe.

Lawrence is starting. Not sure how bad he is.

What else has changed? Seems as if everything else was in our favor. There are obviously reasons and things to discuss, just not in the mood for something that's been discussed ad nauseum to date. As well, it's not as if us arguing about it is going to change even the slightest thing about it. So what's the point. Enjoy the game this evening. If we make the playoffs, perhaps that will, once again, shed some more light on the topic. ... and reading the last few comments, you wonder why I don't want to discuss it. LOL

Mrs. Riley, and only Mrs. Riley ...

We have been through it and to be honest, not sure I feel like wrangling on this again right now. But, consider, as mentioned ... The best OL we've had in years with absolutely no starting OL missing any significant time. Allen Add Kincaid Shakir in his second season Easiest schedule on the defensive side that we've had since Allen's matured. Cook playing better than any RB on McD's watch. TOs and Drops as you cited are on par with the past three seasons, two of which we went 13-3. Yet, our performance lags. We're struggling to hit 11 wins and may not. What's the one primary thing missing from the above mix?

Agree with you there, particularly the no-excuse bit. Achane is a different type of RB. I'd rather have him out than Mostert as in our first game against them. When Achane's gotten double-digit carries he's averaged nearly 9 ypc. He's a huge shifty big play threat every time he logs a touch.

Come on now, we've been through this. But the drops and TOs haven't been off of what they've been that past three seasons, and we went 13-3 with a more difficult schedule twice.

Be that as it may, he's at bat and swinging with a 28th ranked offense, an OL that's ranked DFL now according to PFF, and a washed-up 35-year old QB playing his last game for them and that was never better than average to begin with. We'll see how it plays out. Well, OK, but given that, and given the narrow margins that we've lost games by, including as mentioned two games going to OT, where if we had simply scored one more point at any time, we'd have won, in the mind of many anyway it's not a stretch in any way that we could or even should be 13-3 if not at least 12-4 at this point. You view it differently, but your statements don't seem to back your viewpoint other than via text, i.e. in light of your admission of an underperforming offense. The question is why is our offense underperforming, and that we vehemently disagree on. There are no good or valid reasons.