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I'm not the one that implied how McD got more from our QB when he got less. That was you. Otherwise, OK, I realize that people are going to fit things to their preferred narratives and opinions. We'll simply have to agree to disagree. It'll clear up for the football world this season if we really continue on the path, or anything close, that we did under Brady last season.

You might want to pump the brakes on this a bit. To start, both Moss and Singletary were more accomplished coming out of college. Secondly, Davis' posted only a few notable games, one of which was against 4-8 Ball St. His huge game against was against Florida which also wasn't good at 5-7 and whose rushing D wasn't good. He only had more than 17 carries three times, once unimpressively vs. Miss St. At his age he should have been a man amongst boys, but he wasn't, and his collegiate YPC average is less than Singletary's or Moss' were. Here's the thing, in your assessment you assume that there will be 450 rushing attempts by our RBs. Is that likely? The last two seasons our RBs posted 306 and 401 carries collectively. Here's the thing, people aren't realizing the extent to which Allen, not our RBs, carried our rushing game under Brady. In the six games other than that outlier Dallas game, our RBs averaged 2.7 yards-per-carry which is abysmal. We barely eked by the Chargers who were without Herbert and Allen, they're only offensive weapons worth a crap, NE with Mac Jones, and Miami. We had a lot of carries under Brady but very little accompanying production from our RBs. But that's McD's forcing a square peg into a round hole in the modern passing oriented NFL era. But it's understandable since we don't have a QB with a good arm. (extreme sarcasm) It's difficult to envision us running our RBs that many times given the averages that they produced, namely poor. It's also difficult to imagine us running the ball using our RBs significantly more than at anytime during the McD era. If the success of the Brady era under the McD Way is to succeed, presumably it will be with Allen running the ball more than he ever has. There isn't much difference, if anything positive even, between Davis and Singletary/Moss with whom McD didn't do anything with. Davis also played two seasons at Temple and another at Vandy, hardly great schools for proving how good he might be in the NFL. After that huge Florida game in which he had 26 carries for 280 yards in a blowout of the Gators, his YPC average was a mere 4.9 in his other 12 games which is incredibly unimpressive. So we'll see, but it's a lot of firsts that need to happen here for your vision to even approach unfolding.

With a -57 point differential and the worst point differential to ever have made the playoffs in NFL history; only on the merits of the unlikeliest of 4th-down plays by another team, ... and Dalton; With the worst overall performance by said QB in his three seasons here; while beating a handful of 4, 5, and 6 win teams that season in addition to the last-seeded Falcons and Alex-Smith led Chiefs; and losing in the Wild Card round with one of the worst couple offensive performances of that season. Two other 9-7 teams that were far more qualified to "make the playoffs" that but that lost the tiebreaker, and both of which had point differentials of +92 and +83, for deltas of 149 and 140 over ours, which is nearly 10 ppg. If that isn't significant in the discussion ... Either way, he underachieved with Taylor too that season, which should be obvious since he got less out of Taylor than Ryan did.

Winning creates a winning culture and Allen is responsible for our winning, almost exclusively.

You fail to mention underachievement given that he has Allen. What people fail to realize is that it's not what he's done, it's whether or not he has maximized his opportunities given that he has Allen as his QB. His playoff failures and underachievements alone possibly reveal that he has not. Allen has bailed his ass out more often than most care to admit. If he went to another team without one of the to few QBs we'd quickly find out that he's an average at best coach. His playoff wins are unimpressive and he can't get past the D Round.

If only. Pegula seems to love McD and doesn't care as long as the PSL money continues to flow in. McD's not likely going anywhere barring us not making the playoffs or possibly losing to an inferior team in the WC round. Divisional round loses are the expectation. If he goes it'll likely be the national media that drives it with Pegula.

Screams underachievement.

Shakir's at the top of a few cats. I believe that Harty got around 5M.

Reid knows offense whereas McD does not. If the core element to your entire team is an offensive piece, best to have an offensive person behind the reigns. It's a pretty simple concept. It's also why you often see me ask if Allen predated McD, would McD have gotten the job. It seems incredibly unlikely.

Six teams share the same regret.

I'd love to see the data on the percentage of total attempts in the varying ranges. Bring accurate, which Allen is, and deliberately hitting the open guys are two different things.

You forgot auf wiedersehen. 😁 Agree tho. But you know how it is, everyone's great, until they leave, then they suck. Comedy gold. Gold Jerry, Gold!!!

I'm our case however, not sure it's a good idea to have McD doing too much "babysitting" over Allen. There's a significant and unbreachable disconnect between McD and Allen/Offense.

LOL Funny though, last year at this time, anyone that could see through the lies and that didn't believe the team narrative that all was just rosy got hammered too. 😏

Hold on there chief! To start, to my knowledge I never said that bolded part, that's your taking quite the liberties in reformulating what I did say. I make it a point to try to avoid extremes like that. Otherwise, you said this ... Last season he was in the top 10 in ALL categories of throws - 10 yards, 20, 30, 40, 50. ... to which I asked you where you got your data from. So where did you get it from? You said it, not me. I can't imagine that you just made it up. So what's the source? Again, I'd like to take a look at it. Maybe I'll learn something. After that, I've posted quite a few clips of Allen doing just what I said. I've probably posted them a few dozen times over the past 18 months or so. In fact, I've mentioned that making a montage of them would be a snap. I could probably get 10 minutes worth easily if I can get the All-22 videos, which I've been unable to subscribe to, which I've also explained here. But simply watching any game it's easy to come up with a bunch of 'em.

This isn't about what you or I thought. As to people in a position to know, if they're in a position to know, strongs odds are that they're sympathetic to the org & coach, otherwise they more than likely wouldn't be in a position to know. We'll know for certain whether or not it's true if Diggs hasn't really lost a step. You've heard me say it before, I'll say it again, anyone truly believing that Diggs "lost a step" within a matter of weeks is a gullible fool. It's funny, because in Houston Case Keenum not long ago was saying how Diggs was even faster than he remembered him in Minnesota. Other players on Houston validated that and remarked that Diggs had not lost a step. So it will be interesting. It's a bit disingenuous for anyone to dismiss anything anyone says about other NFL players except for those on our team. Wouldn't you say. As to Diggs, I won't disagree, I decried that it was nonsense that there was nothing to the "all's well" statements by McD, Allen, etc. Who cares, that doesn't matter what you or I thought, but most people here agreed, yet they were lied to, deceived, and misled. But for some odd reason everything being told us henceforth is true. Come on now. The question is what really was the issue with Diggs. Given his role in Brady's offense, coupled with the built-for-imbeciles narrative that he "lost a step" entirely out of the blue, it's quite fair to say that there's a whole lot more than meets the eye/team-statements here, whether from McD & Co. directly, or "in the know" people obviously sympathetic to the same. It is quite possible that Diggs sees what many of us see, a head coach that continually attempts to cram a square peg into a round hole. This season appears to be the capstone season for trying to get it in there. One thing's for sure, a whole lot of things will become known this season. A whole lot of 'em. The places to hide are quickly running out. As to the offense, I can envision us being the highest scoring offense in the league, but not with an OC who's under McD's complimentary football thumb, and not under Brady, whose average offenses in his two seasons as OC elsewhere were ranked 26th in scoring and 24th in yardage, bottom quartile, and who was fired towards the end of his second season. I can see it being led by someone competent and that understands that the NFL's rules these days favor passing like never before, and knows how to capitalize on that. But again, you'll never see that here under McD as the head coach, it simply won't happen.

To start, I'd love to see the data on that and what it means as put out. I'm not buying it at all from a decision-making aspect. Again, the issue isn't the throw itself, which you seem to be highlighting. It's about the decision as to whether or not, or where to throw to. What's the source of that? I'd like to look it over. It's hardly a stretch to realize that that's likely why he got the job. Yeah, who knows, but at this point if it doesn't work, McD may be out of lives. ... and scapegoats. I can see him blaming the defensive woes if they exist, on Babich, but Babich was his choice, ... again.

The question is how much does that offense have to rely exclusively on Allen to make that happen, particularly in the running game. According to the one camp report posted here today, he was down on the field and had his ankle wrapped. We must assume that it's nothing, but if it isn't nothing or gets worse, high-ankle sprain or whatever, then it will heavily impact his ability to run.

Well, OK, but the fact is that while you may believe that, it is not necessarily true. Remember, last season at this time there were zero issues whatsoever wrt Diggs, none, everything was hunky dory. He and Allen were forever besties, there was nothing between he and the team/McD, etc. That obviously turned out to not be 100% true to understate matters, really more like nearly entirely false. And yes, I understand your position, nor did I suggest that you think it will work out, but plenty reading it do think it's going to be all peaches and roses. You've read here. Insofar as the plan here goes, regardless of what it's called, how coaches refer to it, the official strategies involved, etc., it appears that the offense this year is attempting to be the type where creativity is used in the routes and receivers, and that the plan is for Allen to have the plays develop while hitting the open guy for whatever gain we can get, or thereabouts without much specificity being offered by the team/coaching staff contrarily. In short, the writing on the wall suggests a mitigation in our deeper passing game, focusing instead on the short-medium high-percentage passing game as they call it. Numerous people have in similar words stated as much here and elsewhere. If that's true, then it is also irrefutable that this will be the first time that Allen plays this way. He hasn't even typically much less consistently taken advantage of the short-medium higher percentage receivers that have been wide open in the past, opting instead to go deep, for better or for worse. So this will be new territory for him. All we have as a reference is Brady's system at the end of last season which produced below-average metrics for Allen, way below on the efficiency metrics. No doubt we're all curious as to how this shakes out. The one thing that we do know is that it'll be interesting one way or the other.

Yeah, that's the narrative, but the official narratives have proven to have not been entirely truthful often at best, lies at worst. If you merge the two, that was very likely the reason why Diggs wanted out. It's way premature for anyone to insist that this "new approach," and a style that Allen has yet to play regularly much less master to this date, will be an improvement. It sounds catchy, cook, even mildly innovative, but we've heard many things this time of year that never panned out. At best for the time being, we'll see how it shakes out. Pinning the entirety of the situation on a superficial narrative however doesn't line up with reality. I know you'll disagree, obviously, since implicitly you already have, but nonetheless.

LOL, you'd think that they could have ironed that table drape. It looks like someone pulled it out of the trunk of their car where it was all balled up.

Why not, we already have Allen at RB. Maybe he can play C too. This also implies that perhaps there was more to Diggs' release than has been let on. Because the reasons for his release now make even less sense at face value anyway.

Tough to say they'd have won the division, but it would have been much closer. I don't know why anyone is up in arms about this, if Rodgers stays healthy all season, and no doubt their prediction depends upon that, it should hardly be a reach that they win the division. If their offense supports their D like ours does, then their D is better than ours.

What do you mean, an African or a European swallow?

That will largely be the determinant as to how good we are this season. 🤞