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Instead, let's do it this way since you know better than I do. Pretty simple, which of Beane's drafted players have even remotely consistently stepped up in the playoffs? Follow-on, so you're effectively insisting that teams like KC, SF, Philly, Baltimore, and maybe a few others, have no players that regularly step up in the playoffs? (Besides Allen of course) That seems to be what you're saying. Now if you're comparing us to Carolina, Washington, etc, that's entirely different. I'm eager to get your answers.

Well, OK, but I was reacting to your disagree emoji. Ergo, I'm confused. I realize that it's a habit for you when you see my posts. 😏 As to what you said there, that's all fine and dandy, but the best way to effectively manage your cap is to mitigate your need to constantly pay top dollar for players in free-agency, and that's done via effective drafting. Common sense there. Again, you didn't address my primary point, which was the fact that other than for Allen, which goes without saying, and perhaps Davis for anyone caring to admit it, and who will now be gone, Beane has not drafted a single player that has even sniffed stepping up on a regular basis in the playoffs. You haven't named anyone that has, so I'll assume that you agree. Playoffs, not the regular season, have been our problem. We "win the regular season" every season now, but we fail miserably in the playoffs and can't beat anyone there but playoff dregs and low seeds. That's a serious problem that is in fact related to our drafting. ... among other issues also. Otherwise, and therefore, Beane isn't exactly free from culpability in creating a cap mess.

I'm not quite sure what that has to do with what I posted, at least not directly, and therefore not sure what your disagreement is. It's a fact that Beane hasn't gotten great value from our/his draft picks. Free Agency with known players/performance is where he's had his success. We can make excuses for him or argue why not, but that doesn't alter those facts. Unfortunately free-agency is substantially more costly than drafting talent, which you know. In many cases as pointed out, sometimes even by you (Creed Humphrey vs. Basham) notably better players have been available when we selected a lesser one. Either way, my culminating point was that Beane hasn't had a single drafted player that has even approached consistently stepping up in the playoffs, particularly against the better teams and tougher competition, unless of course we want to include Davis, and of course Allen otherwise. We've had this discussion. I'm all ears if you'd like to point them out.

I actually reviewed video when people said that back then, it simply isn't true, or at least wasn't true in college. He wasn't even always double-teamed and he got his a$$ handed to him in the couple of games against the big-boy teams that he played, and not by anyone that's in the NFL today. But we all have our opinions. Not sure what they're all based on, but we have 'em. And either way, I didn't seem him being swarmed in the playoffs either. Aaron Donald, whom everyone used to compare him too way too prematurely, got DT'd all the time and he managed to put up big games despite that. Just sayin'. The better players do that. Oliver has not. He's good, not great. Worth the contract, but not much more than that. Either way, playoff performances or not, he's here for years more. Our hump is the playoffs where it's all fallen apart defensively, like clockwork other than vs. the worst playoff teams against crap QBs in the wild-card round. That's going to have to change is we're ever to even make a SB much less win one. Right now there's not a front-7 defensive player on the team that has stepped up in the playoffs with anything even approaching regularity on this team.

Oliver's stats in his senior season at Houston were almost entirely predicated upon his play in three games against 3-9 East Carolina and their 109th ranked Offense (out of 130), 3-10 Navy and their 96th ranked Offense, and 2-11 Rice and their 124th ranked Offense. He had 0 Sacks and 4 TFLs in his other five games. He was overrated as a 1st-round pick, a better 2nd or early 3rd. Not one of those schools had anyone drafted that lined up anywhere near Oliver in that season. Otherwise, in 10 playoff games for us, he's got 2 sacks, 5 TFLs, and 8 QB Hits. His two best playoff games were vs. Miami (Thompson) and Pittsburgh (Rudolph) in which he logged 1 sack, 2 TFLs, and 6 QB Hits. After that he's done almost nothing with 1 sack, 3 TFLs and 2 QB Hits in 8 other playoff games.

The fact that a team is in this position is not good and generally either assumes poor decision-making or high-risk decision-making, like Von Miller's signing well into his back-9 at 33 for top money, for example. We haven't produced any premiere/elite players (pending anyone's definition of that) on Beane's watch. The best we've done is Oliver on defense and Cook on offense, with Kincaid & Torrence from the '23 Draft pending. Not one of our draft picks has done anything even approaching high-level play consistently in the playoffs, which is a problem. It's also what leads to high-risk decision-making that increases the odds of getting into the situation to begin with.

This is an interesting poll to be sure. I wish that they'd run one by fans and/or media. I'm not sure that his ranking necessarily says much beyond average. For a team that’s won their division four years running and made the playoffs in the last five, the lowest A grade and 12th in rank order seems a bit low and disconnected from that. No doubt the rankings are compiled based upon the raw scores. I took the liberty of putting all of the votes into a spreadsheet and made some observations. To start, and fueling @Mr. WEO's comment about Ivy League grade inflation, that was very much the case in the ratings for the coaches, which makes sense given the human nature of the business coupled with emotions in essence, and players simply liking coaches but not being able to critique them without such a bias in terms of achievement. i.e., simply because the players like a coach, like Allen seemingly willing to all but die for Dorsey as one mere example, when frankly Dorsey wasn't all that great. He'd have gotten an A grade from the players as well. But of the 32 grades, in coaching, 19 of the grades were in the A range. Only three were below a B range. Contrasted with the other 6 categories, Strength Coaches were next with 14 in the A range. Owners after that with 10 in the A range. Weight Room had 9 in the A range. Locker Room had 6 in the A range. Dietician/Nutrition had 5 in the A range. Training Staff had 5 in the A range. Food/Cafeteria had 4 in the A range. Treatment of Families had 4 in the A range. Training Room had 3 in the A range. Team Travel had 2 in the A range. Head coaches had only 3 with below B range. Strength Coaches had 7 below a B range. Training Staff had 7 below a B range. Owner had 11 below a B range. More critical were the following: Treatment of Families had 23 below a B range. Team Travel had 20 below a B range. Locker Room & Food/Cafeteria had 16 (half) below B range. Training Room had 15 below B range. Nutritionist/Dietician & Weight Room both had 10 below B range. So it seems that the closer it got to personal relationships, the less critical the players were. Put another way, the further away things got from someone having a direct relationship to playing time or performance, the more critical it was, generally speaking league wide. It’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that given that, that McD ranked well. Clearly he didn’t rank poorly and clearly one would think that winning cures many things, but having said that, only three teams ranked lower finished with double-digit wins; Baltimore (Harbaugh), Cleveland (Stefanski), and Houston (the rookie Ryans). Of the top-9 coach rankings, 8 of those teams made the playoffs and posted double-digit wins. The odd team out was Minnesota (O’Connell) in his second season with 7 wins. Between McD and that group were Cincy (Taylor) who was without Burrow, and Seattle (Carroll) who has made the playoffs only once the past three seasons having lost their wild-card round game last season, despite both having won only 9 games this past season and both having missed the playoffs. That info of course should make one wonder the extent to which players truly believed that their responses were entirely confidential, or whether it would come out via player discovery that they hadn’t ranked a coach, strength coaches, or training staff, that they have to work with directly highly. It’s pretty unbelievable that 29 of 32 coaches earned A & B grades. There are more coaches of those 29 on that list that few of us would give an A or B grade to, and 60% of the coaches in the league getting an A+/A/A- grade? No objective person would come to that conclusion. Again, it would be interesting if they polled the fans over this. Based on the polls already posted here re: McD, it seems that the results would be significantly different. It’s also reasonable to assume, that being a people business, it’s difficult for players & coaches to be too critical of one another when they work in such close proximity, both physically as well as mentally, to one another, for obvious reasons. That’s simply common sense. With relationships, as with any work environment, the objectivity is at least somewhat removed as a result of work relationships. But this is a business, and because it’s a business, there’s nothing wrong with treating it like a business in all phases, whether relationships factor in or not.

Or go outside, get some fresh air, and find a good activity.

Someone's got some spare time. 😁

Has anyone ever gotten the impression that he lacks confidence? If anything, it seems like the opposite.

They're made for each other.

McD first has to prove that he can even beat the top seeds in the playoffs. He hasn't even crossed that bridge yet. He's already given one away gift-wrapped to our arch nemesis in '21 and hasn't even sniffed another. Until that pattern is broken the odds are greater that he continues to give them away.

That's the most puzzling thing. It seems that with us, sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and they're acting independently. Same thing with Hines, we trade for a prolific pass catching RB, talk about how he'll be used, and then don't use him, at all. ... as one example.

For $50k for Kelly and $85k for the Argos, one would assume so. The attorneys fees are going to be in that realm.

Everytime I hear about Evans, I remember the heat I took for insisting that he would have a notably better career than Watkins after that draft because he was a much better and far more complete WR. We could have had him all along instead. Or OBJ, or even Cooks.

He was an OK blocker, but he's not getting paid that much to block, as we all know.

His best game came after his injury, even then, 3 for 36. In his starts he averaged 2 catches for 17 yards. Even healthy he was pedestrian in the passing game, posting only 2 TDs, only one of significance, he posted a three-year low in 1st-Down/TD combos, and his 2 TDs were his career lowest and tied with his rookie season. Most puzzling is that they gave him that enormous contract, them used the 1st-round pick on Kincaid. Presumably for a lot of 2TE sets. But that didn't seem to work out so well down the stretch. Same with Hines & Sherfield & Harty, we always have big plans but can't seem to implement them, as if there's a disconnect between Beane & McD. It's reasonable to consider that the ever changing strategies on offense also aren't doing Allen any favors.

Ahh, there it is. Thanks I had begun to lose faith.

Becoming more so too with the expansion of the SEC & Big-10. Then with the paid players aspect of it also. As has been implied, any additional pro league would likely be like a giant practice squad seemingly.

Makes one wonder whether our not it's the same "for whatever reasons" why Diggs' yardage production was halved and his TD production was decimated. On a side note, Davis was the most productive playoff WR we had. Granted, that's a lie bar, nonetheless.

Relatively common sense, no?

To add to what you said, playing v. playing-well are also two different things. At 39 in his last season, Manning had 9 TDs/17 INTs. Granted, only 9 starts, but who wants more of that. Favre at 41 had 11 TDs/19 INTs. Marino at 38, 12/17 Montana himself had become average at best at 37 & 38, would he have played for average or below average money? Doubtful. Brady was also protected by both the new rules and the officials. Mahomes is now the NFL's darling. Hopefully Torrence, Bernard, Benford, or Oliver logs 1,000+ yards and 10+ TDs receiving. Seriously though, with this "complimentary football" thing that turns Allen into a RB, his lifespan is more likely to be that of a RB.

Tells his agent to call his wife. Who knows, maybe his agent is his wife.

Apparently they couldn't find any Jets fans.