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To start, that has zero to do with the point. Otherwise I'm not sure that this is the place to discuss how corporate America is structured such that 95% (or so) of the corporations are owned by other corporations, all ultimately controlled via that network of corporate control, and ultimately controlled by a very few families in the world. It's a red-pill thing that most are clueless on.

There's a little more than a fine line there. To start, we're talking about billionaires, people that have all that they or their extended families could ever need in a lifetime. Let's not forget that while the negotiation process was going on, the Pegs bought a pricey yacht. That amidst cries from Kim that they had a lifestyle to maintain as somewhat of a slap in the face of many fans. Let's put that in a different yet not nearly as egregious context. Suppose a small business owner wanted a state/county $100k grant to expand their business and claimed that they needed the money for it because, as the Pegs stated, they didn't have it. Then while negotiating for that grant they went out and bought a brand new car claiming that they had a lifestyle to maintain? How would that look to the people from whom that grant was coming? All that while they bilked the state and county taxpayers for $850M more, many of which are not Even Bills fans. The NFL is evil greedy. The individual owners want more than what every business wants, they want the public, beyond game attendees, to pay for their business expenses.

I hear ya, but to be fair, there was a large degree of predictability re: Watkins despite few seeing it. MHJ is more in the Mike Evans mold but faster even. And again, to reiterate everyone's take, we have no reasonable chance.

I thought that if you give up your seats, the team retains the rights to the seats and can charge another PSL to new STHs, no?

Yes, any PSL is per seat. No doubt. I downloaded the survey just in case.

This was from their survey, which seems to be where your current seat is. Location: Lower level between 40- and 20-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,900 One-time PSL: $4,850

You do realize where you're posting, right? 🧐😁

Said the coach who's team started 3-0 with more hype than US elections, them went 1-8 to finish 4-8 and DFL in the PAC-12.

LOL Shades of supplementary school with you in this.

Seriously? I can't take your analyses seriously anymore, sorry, your so incredibly dishonest in them. BTW, he averaged over 5 YPC against Cleveland, with one TD. He struggled against Baltimore, maybe you can figure out why that may have been. Then again, maybe not given your work here. Should we discuss that here he played with Allen, while there he played with a rookie? LOL, nah, irrelevant I'm sure. Honestly ... You can't even have an honest discussion without having an emotional tantrum that over the bottom that coaching may have something to do with it. LOL

You're hilarious. OK, let's simply end this then by stating that despite only having 10 starts in Houston, contrasted with 56 starts here, his three biggest games rushing yardage wise were among those 10 in Houston, four of is five biggest games carries wise were also among his 10 in Houston, that it's all purely coincidence.

The point is that we're where we are because of deliberate decision-making, yet, they're still trying to figure it out after what, 6 drafts. The other point is that Cook is what he is, it's not like it was a big surprise after we drafted him. If the situation is inadequate, then it's that way by design, perhaps poor design which some would argue, but either way, by design, aka that's what they wanted. Let's not overthink this. The other part is that maybe they're not so good at planning these things when both Singletary and Moss go to different teams and play better when given the chance to start more often, more carries, more games, more touches, etc. i.e., maybe it's not primarily the players that are the reasons.

BTW, if Singletary had put up 1,500 rushing here, even on 4.2 YPC, and had 1,800 total YFS, no one would have been upset. ... except for you maybe. In other news, when he had 12 or more carries in Houston, the Texans went 7-1. When he had 58 or more yards they were 6-1. And just BTW, in games where he had 16 or more carries, he averaged 4.5 YPC. You are missing the point, entirely. You clearly cannot discern between starting play and non-starting (aka backup/support) play. I mean what is someone to do with that. I didn't control his starting time, here or there. The point all along is that on a per-game basis where he (or Moss for that matter) have been the bell cow RB, they've both performed better elsewhere, with lesser QBs, in one case much lesser, in the other, a rookie. That's meaningless to you though. OK I attribute it to, yes, coaching, but also strategy. OLs in particular. I mean what, it's a big secret that we haven't exactly gone world-class in bolstering our OL on Beane's watch or something? Anyway, no need to discuss further. You've made your point, if you truly believe all that, great. But when Singletary started here he couldn't. Got it! Hence my point, as well as questioning whether Ty Johnson would either.

It doesn't sound as if you're not paying attention to all of the stuff on this thread. But hey, if your end-all-to-be-all indicator of a RB is YPC in a particular system, I have no counter.

Has he started the entire season he'd was on pace for 1,500 yards. Different offense and QB down there. Does this really need an explanation? If happily take 1,500 yards and 1,800 yards from scrimmage on 4.2 YPC here. Happily.

I'm not a big Joe Marino fan, IMO his analyses aren't great too understate things. Having said that, McBeane knew full well what they were getting when they drafted him. None of what Marino pointed out is any big secret. Given that both Moss & Singletary have left here and performed notably better elsewhere, it's certainly within the realm of fairness to question three MO & methods of our offensively challenged coaching staff as well. Again, Cook had six total touches on 3rd downs all season. Dorsey v. Brady doesn't even come into play there. He had two total rushing TDs, one vs. Miami in garbage time. All that I'm positing is that this is the their design for the team.

Don't ya know

At the end of the day this is the RB "that they wanted." If he's not adequate or might be wise to start asking questions about our draft strategies. We draft a lot of good players but no great ones. Cook was diminutive with speed which they were enamored with and which was fully known. If there are problems getting "the process" to work like that, them that's on them. Singletary had a great season in Houston, and had he started all 17 games, based upon his average, he'd have logged over 1,500 rushing yards in Houston. Could be us, namely our coaching.

Again, how do you come to this conclusion? I'm the first ten games he averaged 12 carries/games. In the last seven games he averaged almost 19 carries/ game.

How do you come to this conclusion? First half he had 102 carries for 486 yards and 1 rushing TD. Second half he had 135 carries for 636 yards and 1 rushing TD. If there's a criticism, it should be regarding his utilization, which is coaching. He had only four 3rd-down carries and six 3rd-down touches all season. That's ridiculous.

Well, if we just go to the renderings of the final stadium, ... oh wait, that's right, there aren't any. Seriously though, we know that the entire stadium is above ground unlike Rich, and that is more vertical than broad, so it would seem that it should be notably higher and therefore more visible from notably farther away. Seems that if they're really going to be ready for the '26 season, and my money says it won't be, then the basic structure at least should be up by the '25 Draft a little over a year from now.

He's on to his next 10 catch 100 yard 1 TD season. Funny though the criticism now vs. the hype when we signed him. LOL

No disagreement, but he should still improve. To what extent remains to be seen. At Miami (U) he was in somewhat of a unique role that he's not in in the NFL nor will be.

Great post, thanks for taking the time on that!!! Again, this is a little more complex topic that goes beyond the cliched "eye tests" and statistics. I'll touch on it, if you really want to get into it, we can do that at a later time/date. There's plenty until something real pops up. LOL My assessment is predicated upon underachievement. We should be doing better. It's not a matter of straight comps with existing players or teams. I consider Allen to be the second best QB in the league bar none. Perhaps that homer-ish of me, but that's also my true stance. Subjective, no doubt. However, I will say that Allen even sorely underachieved by his own predictions as well that he made prior to the season, by over 20% in fact. But here's the thing, a lot of that has to do with the overall team strategy(ies), what McD refers to as "complimentary football," and the related play-calling, particularly on offense. Either way, Allen ranked 8th in YPG this past season, well behind numerous lesser QBs, obviously. But let's look at the past several seasons as a basis. Among active QBs only, in terms of Most Passing Yards in a Season career, Allen's highest rank is 75th, then 102nd, 125th and 133rd. Contrasted with some others ... Goff: 52nd, 57th, 71st, 90th Burrow: 64th, 83rd Cousins: 22nd, 74th, 129th, 139th Stafford: 14th, 16th, 25th, 55th, 88th, 120th Mahomes: 4th, 11th, 27th, 39th Herbert: 15th, 40th, 117th Winston: 10th Prescott: 24th, 77th, 87th Watson: 30th Tagavailoa: 58th How many of those QBs do we consider to be better passers than Allen? Career Passing TDs among the top-150 ... And BTW, Allen's passing TD production was off about 20% this past season from the prior three seasons. Allen: 32nd, 38th, 49th Mahomes: 2nd, 12th, 27th, 32nd, Rodgers: 5th, 8th, 16th, 20th, 27th, 32nd, 115th, 135th Stafford: 12th (twice), 94th Wilson: 16th, 49th, 60th (twice), 115th Herbert: 27th, 115th Prescott: 32nd, 38th, 135th Jackson: 38th Burrow: 49th, 60th Cousins: 49th, 71st, 135th Dalton: 71st Tannehill: 71st Wentz: 71st Watson: 71st Winston: 71st Goff: 94th, 135th Carr: 94th Love: 94th Purdy: 115th How many of those QBs are as talented as Allen is as a passer? At the core of this discussion, somewhere, is why our passing numbers aren't as high as we've been expecting. We obviously have major disagreements as to why that is and it's a topic of some controversy here to be sure. To me it's relative. Once Allen came into his own, my expectations were more in line with what he did perennially in '20, '21, and '22 if not even better. There's a ton more data and items for consideration, but we're talking about a pretty complex analysis. If you're interested, maybe a little later we can get into it more. But yeah, there is quite a bit of subjectivity on all sides, but at the end of the day one has to look at the common denominator in things from season to season, because there is one.

- Arguably the easiest division for any team in the NFL during that span. - An abject inability to beat anything but a wild-card caliber team in postseason play. (aka the playoffs) - Zero victories in the playoffs over any team seeded 1st thru 4th That's simply not true. I've got into personal debates/discussions here, many, where some have said that they're quite content with merely having a team to root for here in Buffalo, "entertainment" during the regular season, etc. That'd be a great poll: What is your level of contentment in any given season with Allen as our QB? A. I expect a Championship every season or I'm not content. B. I expect us to go to the playoffs but am content once that goal is achieved, win or lose therein. C. I'm quite content with whatever the season brings, whether we make the playoffs or not. I don't recall ranking it anywhere. But it is on the list. All one has to do is look at the complaints regarding our WR situation during his watch. That one is interesting. To start, based upon opinions here during the season, you appear to be in the minority on that one. For me it's a little different. IMO we don't have the best WRs in the league, clearly, but, IMO there's been more than enough at our WR positions to get more from our passing game than we've gotten. Not trying to stir up another debate here on something that's been beaten to death, but our offensive play calling is suspect along with at times our overall game strategies. That's more complex however and outside the general safe-spaces of forum parameters. Here's one of those areas that what you just said supports the argument that I made. Diggs was purchased because Beane did nothing else. Let's start with the obvious. We got Diggs at $24M/season. Minny got Jefferson at about $3M/season for four seasons, about $6.5M/season for five. That feeds into the discussion. Sure, we got Kincaid last season, great move given that we got Torrence in round 2. We raved about Kincaid being the best hands/receiver in the draft, then underutilized him in that way. But allow me to ask a question. Which players on our team, O or D, that Beane has drafted, have we gotten the kind of play out of that's a real deal for us, like Jefferson for example? ... and apart from Allen that is, whom the team overrelies upon. Players in essence, that mitigate the need for us to make risky aquisitions for players that we believe are going to provide the caliber of play that we don't get from our draftees. Von Miller for example. Diggs was an equitable deal, but had we drafted Jefferson instead, we'd have been much much better off through this season. Which is in large part why we have cap issues. The biggest albatross for us now is Von Miller, who wasn't even guaranteed in his back nine. The entire reason for signing Miller to begin with was because Beane's lack of drafting a similar caliber player. We still don't have one that he drafted. Hope that explains that a little bit better. Good go 'round, thanks!! See my post to mjt328 above. As to Hollins, on the flip side, look at the overreaction to a signing of a player his caliber. Go back and look what was said about Harty, Sherfield, and maybe one or two other players. In fairness to the discussion however, the team was in a different yet similar cap situation back then. Everyone excused Beane for having to deal with it. Now we find ourselves in a similar one, but this one's entirely on him after 6 drafts of his own, and to whatever extent that it exists. I personally wouldn't call it dire, but it is an impediment, and one created largely because of his signing of Miller as one example, coupled with his inability to get "cheap labor" from the draft that's capable of performing like the Jefferson's of the league.