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This entire process is beyond fascinating. Curious to see how it all shakes out.

That's gotta be an actual game day pic.

The team could do it too. It's even more chump change to them.

I think you meant this for someone else. I never Said that Pegula would sell, to the contrary.

BTW, I can definitely see prices dropping to fill the stadium. I have difficulty envisioning it selling out as-is. I can also see Pegula's crocodile tears after Allen retires claiming that he's not making enough money here and then moving the team then.

Thanks! But to my point still, what would it cost for the team to put a can up over OBD with a regular feed. It's not as if it's a top-secret project, it's right out in public.

Well find out within the year. It's certainly an interesting process to observe.

Agree. And contrary to the dumb narrative that claims that they can't leave for 15/20 years, the cost for Pegula to move is $850M. Which fool(s) really think that's anywhere near enough to prevent a team from moving to where it's worth would double or ever triple with the move. Also, Allen strikes me as someone that's well rooted and wouldn't risk his health after several more years and would retire while he can still walk normally and play golf around the world every day. I don't see him wanting more and more money in exchange for his health. Given the way that they use him I don't see him playing much longer that his current contract. Then factor in his relationship with Steinfeld too.

In my world beating ONLY poor teams with backup, poor, or ancient QBs playing their last game ever, with half of one exception, isn't cause for greatness. Either way, find another coach that's heralded as being great that in his first 7 seasons never beat anything but wild-card teams in the playoffs. You can't. If Belichick has done that in his first seven seasons with a Brady he never would have seen an 8th season, if not sooner Your apples to oranges comp is childish.

Agree with all of that. But keep in mind that on our market it could backfire. That appears to be what we're looking at here. The other thing that does not go unnoticed, whether people articulate it or not, is the blatant dishonesty. An article went up yesterday or the day before, with quotes from Legends starting that fewer than 1% of STHs have gone through. That's a few hundred people. Yet, several different posters here have started that their reps have told them that whatever they're now selling are selling fast. I suppose that's possible, but given the talk everywhere and people already bowling out, it's also highly unlikely. Things like that song go unnoticed. Buffalo's a horse of a different color and needs to be managed as such.

Nothin but the best for us. 😁

Possibly, but it's not a good look either way. I think I'm pretty objective in this. I've had STs in the past, understand the business aspects of it, but also realize that no other businesses in the region get their business expenses paid by the public anywhere near that scale. When the owner of that business is a multi-billionaire it says much. Then little things, like the "Pegula Family Values" slide, with zero concern for anyone else's family values that buy the product, and then buying a yacht in the middle of negotiations claiming that you don't have the money for a stadium while simultaneously callously proclaiming that you have a lifestyle to maintain implying that can afford and need a yacht but can't afford your own stadium aka "business expenses." Right now the ill will seems to be streaming from this secretive approach to releasing the prices. Fine, do the priority thing, but at least release the prices to let people know what the options are. As it stands there is going to be a whole lot of "if I had known I'd have bought ... (other seats)" down the road that will further cause issues and additional ill will. It's a bad and less than honest approach. Just my two cents as someone who's been disgusted with ML sports Tix ever since Ticketmaster and the others have been given preferential treatment by the leagues and governments. Just my two cents. I don't really care as none of it applies to me since I wouldn't pay for a PSL on principle and haven't had STs in years and am happy buying secondary as I do now, for maybe one live game per season carefully selected, and otherwise perfectly happy to watch in a Bills Backers bar or even at home.

Another ouster in the divisional round will probably push that rock over the edge. I obviously can't speak for anyone else but myself, but simply beating the hapless Jets, Pats, & Fins, which is expected, winning the division and "making the playoffs" and never being able to beat anything but sorry QBs and wild-card teams there, with Allen as our QB just ain't cutting it anymore.

Once again, the challenge was ignored. I also didn't realize that Big Ben was a coach. That might be a small glimpse into the problem you have here I'm sure you are having fun in your own little world, oblivious to what was posited. For some reason the kid spending hours trying to put the blocks into the correct holes comes to mind here while reading your "answers." Here s clue, try not to force the square ones into the round holes. 😉

You have difficulty with basic comprehension apparently. That does not alter the facts as presented one bit. You going off on an emotional filibuster didn't alter that. There's not much sense in us discussing this further.

That's a narrative that isn't really true. Let's start by asking, what happens should Pegula decide to move the team at any point once the stadium is up? Most people don't seem to understand that this supposed agreement really doesn't have very large teeth. Anyway, what happens, what's the "penalty" if they move? Let's start there and walk through why it's nonsense.

I can only speak for myself, and it's not merely the PSLs but the overpriced tix generally speaking these days, particularly on the secondary market where companies like Ticketmaster screw people over despite it being "legal," but sports have generally gotten out of hand in that way. I have trouble being raked over the coals and being blackmailed that if we want a team then we need to ante up whether it's taxes of PSLs and expensive tickets, parking, etc. making little difference. Some of these players make 7-figures on a per-game basis and it's getting worse. Many easily make into the 6-figure territory per game, and while I don't have STs, I know plenty of people that do and aren't making even 6-figures per year. At some point I stepped back and started thinking that it's madness. I detest the NFL, love the Bills, but at some point I simply have to say enough is enough.

The difference between Reid and McD in playoff performance is pronounced. And that's Reid with McNabb, not Mahomes. Conspicuously missing from your brief and extremely limited assessment is the name Allen. Allen is already considered among the best QBs of all-time. So, when you're ready to add some validity and veracity to your argument, name all of the coaches that are/were considered to be/have-been well above average, that entirely failed to beat anything but a wild-card team (i.e. not one single division-winner) in 7 seasons featuring 6 playoffs. If you can do that, you have a chance at convincing people. If not, and from what I've researched, there are none, then that needs to be factored into your argument. Another aspect to it is explaining why during the regular season we have one of the best Defenses, if not the best defense, in the league, but in the playoffs it's the opposite, we have one of the worst generally speaking. Again, if you can do that, you'll have a much better chance of convincing people. After 7 seasons many of us have reached a ceiling in our expectations, ... based upon 7 seasons of evidence that is. How many seasons of evidence is necessary? Serious question. What, 12? 15? 20? Allen won't be along that long and our chances diminish terminally once he is no longer here. The way that this is fixin' to go down is that we'll never win a Super Bowl, may not even be in one, Allen will leave, and whether here or elsewhere McD will prove the very average coach that he is, and then and only then will people begin to say that he was overrated because he had Allen. Funny too, some of us said the same about Belichick who's done absolutely zilch apart from Brady, ever, but that only finally took root recently too. Oh well ...

We'll know it's goin' down when someone sees the urinal troughs heading there.

👍 I'm out of town now so it's more difficult. I'm not one of those people that particularly enjoys going to games where we obliterate bread teams. LOL I had mine during the drought years and trying to pawn off the games I couldn't make became too tedious and difficult. I correctly figured that it would be easier to simply overpay for the two or three games that I wanted to go to and could make. I largely kept them "in case we made the playoffs." LOL

Bummer! Was fun reading about that hallucinating dude that flipped off the police in the chopper. I'll be awaiting someone to sneak in and leap off of some structure from 30' up to land on a flaming table.

Wow! Good for you to be able to afford that. Even if I could I wouldn't. LOL I hear ya on the "migration" stuff, but that's more or less what I had in mind when I made the statement. To your question, a few people here have stated that they bailed on it so far and others have said simply that they're not going to renew given what they know. It will be interesting. What is interesting now is that I just read in a piece out today (or yesterday) how fewer than 1% of STHs have been contacted, which would be fewer than 700 or so, but how some people that went through the "experience" and reported on it here stated that they've been told that the seats are selling quickly, which would seem to contradict the reports. If I had money coming out of my a$$ I might buy a pair of seats under a heater somewhere, but alas, I don't. LOL

The big question is whether The Pit will be available this season when necessary.

Of course. The PSLs aren't going to be $10k for upper deck corners. LOL From the survey as I recall, they started around $1,000 or so, but again, for the UD corners, Upper EZs which will be much higher than the current EZs, etc. I don't recall that any seats on a per-seat basis after PSLs will be less than around $100/game however. For example and from their survey; Upper level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 After the PSL that's $124 per game for 8 games and $110 per game for 9 games. "Minimal coverage" for whatever that means, no heat. Those seats will sell, particularly to fans that don't care whether there's a roof/coverage/heat/etc. Based upon everyone's comments, here, in the BuffNews, facebook, etc., there's going to be a mass migration from where people are now to less-expensive seats further up on towards/in the EZs. And keep in mind there will be far more EZ seats too.

Once again, the question is how many coaches, and where are they now and how has history regarded them, have failed to beat anything but wild-card teams in the playoffs? As to the D, what good is a top-ranked D when it plays like a bottom-ranked or incredibly average D at best come playoff time? I don't think that too many of us would be disappointed if we went to several AFC CGs and lost to a better team. But that hasn't been the case. Same for the Super Bowl. We can't even reach the AFC CG other than once.