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Seriously? I can't take your analyses seriously anymore, sorry, your so incredibly dishonest in them. BTW, he averaged over 5 YPC against Cleveland, with one TD. He struggled against Baltimore, maybe you can figure out why that may have been. Then again, maybe not given your work here. Should we discuss that here he played with Allen, while there he played with a rookie? LOL, nah, irrelevant I'm sure. Honestly ... You can't even have an honest discussion without having an emotional tantrum that over the bottom that coaching may have something to do with it. LOL

You're hilarious. OK, let's simply end this then by stating that despite only having 10 starts in Houston, contrasted with 56 starts here, his three biggest games rushing yardage wise were among those 10 in Houston, four of is five biggest games carries wise were also among his 10 in Houston, that it's all purely coincidence.

The point is that we're where we are because of deliberate decision-making, yet, they're still trying to figure it out after what, 6 drafts. The other point is that Cook is what he is, it's not like it was a big surprise after we drafted him. If the situation is inadequate, then it's that way by design, perhaps poor design which some would argue, but either way, by design, aka that's what they wanted. Let's not overthink this. The other part is that maybe they're not so good at planning these things when both Singletary and Moss go to different teams and play better when given the chance to start more often, more carries, more games, more touches, etc. i.e., maybe it's not primarily the players that are the reasons.

BTW, if Singletary had put up 1,500 rushing here, even on 4.2 YPC, and had 1,800 total YFS, no one would have been upset. ... except for you maybe. In other news, when he had 12 or more carries in Houston, the Texans went 7-1. When he had 58 or more yards they were 6-1. And just BTW, in games where he had 16 or more carries, he averaged 4.5 YPC. You are missing the point, entirely. You clearly cannot discern between starting play and non-starting (aka backup/support) play. I mean what is someone to do with that. I didn't control his starting time, here or there. The point all along is that on a per-game basis where he (or Moss for that matter) have been the bell cow RB, they've both performed better elsewhere, with lesser QBs, in one case much lesser, in the other, a rookie. That's meaningless to you though. OK I attribute it to, yes, coaching, but also strategy. OLs in particular. I mean what, it's a big secret that we haven't exactly gone world-class in bolstering our OL on Beane's watch or something? Anyway, no need to discuss further. You've made your point, if you truly believe all that, great. But when Singletary started here he couldn't. Got it! Hence my point, as well as questioning whether Ty Johnson would either.

It doesn't sound as if you're not paying attention to all of the stuff on this thread. But hey, if your end-all-to-be-all indicator of a RB is YPC in a particular system, I have no counter.

Has he started the entire season he'd was on pace for 1,500 yards. Different offense and QB down there. Does this really need an explanation? If happily take 1,500 yards and 1,800 yards from scrimmage on 4.2 YPC here. Happily.

I'm not a big Joe Marino fan, IMO his analyses aren't great too understate things. Having said that, McBeane knew full well what they were getting when they drafted him. None of what Marino pointed out is any big secret. Given that both Moss & Singletary have left here and performed notably better elsewhere, it's certainly within the realm of fairness to question three MO & methods of our offensively challenged coaching staff as well. Again, Cook had six total touches on 3rd downs all season. Dorsey v. Brady doesn't even come into play there. He had two total rushing TDs, one vs. Miami in garbage time. All that I'm positing is that this is the their design for the team.

Don't ya know

At the end of the day this is the RB "that they wanted." If he's not adequate or might be wise to start asking questions about our draft strategies. We draft a lot of good players but no great ones. Cook was diminutive with speed which they were enamored with and which was fully known. If there are problems getting "the process" to work like that, them that's on them. Singletary had a great season in Houston, and had he started all 17 games, based upon his average, he'd have logged over 1,500 rushing yards in Houston. Could be us, namely our coaching.

Again, how do you come to this conclusion? I'm the first ten games he averaged 12 carries/games. In the last seven games he averaged almost 19 carries/ game.

How do you come to this conclusion? First half he had 102 carries for 486 yards and 1 rushing TD. Second half he had 135 carries for 636 yards and 1 rushing TD. If there's a criticism, it should be regarding his utilization, which is coaching. He had only four 3rd-down carries and six 3rd-down touches all season. That's ridiculous.

Well, if we just go to the renderings of the final stadium, ... oh wait, that's right, there aren't any. Seriously though, we know that the entire stadium is above ground unlike Rich, and that is more vertical than broad, so it would seem that it should be notably higher and therefore more visible from notably farther away. Seems that if they're really going to be ready for the '26 season, and my money says it won't be, then the basic structure at least should be up by the '25 Draft a little over a year from now.

He's on to his next 10 catch 100 yard 1 TD season. Funny though the criticism now vs. the hype when we signed him. LOL

No disagreement, but he should still improve. To what extent remains to be seen. At Miami (U) he was in somewhat of a unique role that he's not in in the NFL nor will be.

Great post, thanks for taking the time on that!!! Again, this is a little more complex topic that goes beyond the cliched "eye tests" and statistics. I'll touch on it, if you really want to get into it, we can do that at a later time/date. There's plenty until something real pops up. LOL My assessment is predicated upon underachievement. We should be doing better. It's not a matter of straight comps with existing players or teams. I consider Allen to be the second best QB in the league bar none. Perhaps that homer-ish of me, but that's also my true stance. Subjective, no doubt. However, I will say that Allen even sorely underachieved by his own predictions as well that he made prior to the season, by over 20% in fact. But here's the thing, a lot of that has to do with the overall team strategy(ies), what McD refers to as "complimentary football," and the related play-calling, particularly on offense. Either way, Allen ranked 8th in YPG this past season, well behind numerous lesser QBs, obviously. But let's look at the past several seasons as a basis. Among active QBs only, in terms of Most Passing Yards in a Season career, Allen's highest rank is 75th, then 102nd, 125th and 133rd. Contrasted with some others ... Goff: 52nd, 57th, 71st, 90th Burrow: 64th, 83rd Cousins: 22nd, 74th, 129th, 139th Stafford: 14th, 16th, 25th, 55th, 88th, 120th Mahomes: 4th, 11th, 27th, 39th Herbert: 15th, 40th, 117th Winston: 10th Prescott: 24th, 77th, 87th Watson: 30th Tagavailoa: 58th How many of those QBs do we consider to be better passers than Allen? Career Passing TDs among the top-150 ... And BTW, Allen's passing TD production was off about 20% this past season from the prior three seasons. Allen: 32nd, 38th, 49th Mahomes: 2nd, 12th, 27th, 32nd, Rodgers: 5th, 8th, 16th, 20th, 27th, 32nd, 115th, 135th Stafford: 12th (twice), 94th Wilson: 16th, 49th, 60th (twice), 115th Herbert: 27th, 115th Prescott: 32nd, 38th, 135th Jackson: 38th Burrow: 49th, 60th Cousins: 49th, 71st, 135th Dalton: 71st Tannehill: 71st Wentz: 71st Watson: 71st Winston: 71st Goff: 94th, 135th Carr: 94th Love: 94th Purdy: 115th How many of those QBs are as talented as Allen is as a passer? At the core of this discussion, somewhere, is why our passing numbers aren't as high as we've been expecting. We obviously have major disagreements as to why that is and it's a topic of some controversy here to be sure. To me it's relative. Once Allen came into his own, my expectations were more in line with what he did perennially in '20, '21, and '22 if not even better. There's a ton more data and items for consideration, but we're talking about a pretty complex analysis. If you're interested, maybe a little later we can get into it more. But yeah, there is quite a bit of subjectivity on all sides, but at the end of the day one has to look at the common denominator in things from season to season, because there is one.

- Arguably the easiest division for any team in the NFL during that span. - An abject inability to beat anything but a wild-card caliber team in postseason play. (aka the playoffs) - Zero victories in the playoffs over any team seeded 1st thru 4th That's simply not true. I've got into personal debates/discussions here, many, where some have said that they're quite content with merely having a team to root for here in Buffalo, "entertainment" during the regular season, etc. That'd be a great poll: What is your level of contentment in any given season with Allen as our QB? A. I expect a Championship every season or I'm not content. B. I expect us to go to the playoffs but am content once that goal is achieved, win or lose therein. C. I'm quite content with whatever the season brings, whether we make the playoffs or not. I don't recall ranking it anywhere. But it is on the list. All one has to do is look at the complaints regarding our WR situation during his watch. That one is interesting. To start, based upon opinions here during the season, you appear to be in the minority on that one. For me it's a little different. IMO we don't have the best WRs in the league, clearly, but, IMO there's been more than enough at our WR positions to get more from our passing game than we've gotten. Not trying to stir up another debate here on something that's been beaten to death, but our offensive play calling is suspect along with at times our overall game strategies. That's more complex however and outside the general safe-spaces of forum parameters. Here's one of those areas that what you just said supports the argument that I made. Diggs was purchased because Beane did nothing else. Let's start with the obvious. We got Diggs at $24M/season. Minny got Jefferson at about $3M/season for four seasons, about $6.5M/season for five. That feeds into the discussion. Sure, we got Kincaid last season, great move given that we got Torrence in round 2. We raved about Kincaid being the best hands/receiver in the draft, then underutilized him in that way. But allow me to ask a question. Which players on our team, O or D, that Beane has drafted, have we gotten the kind of play out of that's a real deal for us, like Jefferson for example? ... and apart from Allen that is, whom the team overrelies upon. Players in essence, that mitigate the need for us to make risky aquisitions for players that we believe are going to provide the caliber of play that we don't get from our draftees. Von Miller for example. Diggs was an equitable deal, but had we drafted Jefferson instead, we'd have been much much better off through this season. Which is in large part why we have cap issues. The biggest albatross for us now is Von Miller, who wasn't even guaranteed in his back nine. The entire reason for signing Miller to begin with was because Beane's lack of drafting a similar caliber player. We still don't have one that he drafted. Hope that explains that a little bit better. Good go 'round, thanks!! See my post to mjt328 above. As to Hollins, on the flip side, look at the overreaction to a signing of a player his caliber. Go back and look what was said about Harty, Sherfield, and maybe one or two other players. In fairness to the discussion however, the team was in a different yet similar cap situation back then. Everyone excused Beane for having to deal with it. Now we find ourselves in a similar one, but this one's entirely on him after 6 drafts of his own, and to whatever extent that it exists. I personally wouldn't call it dire, but it is an impediment, and one created largely because of his signing of Miller as one example, coupled with his inability to get "cheap labor" from the draft that's capable of performing like the Jefferson's of the league.

And there's room for criticism there.

The biggest takeaway implied by your post is that they need to plan for the time when Diggs is not here, not react to his departure as an afterthought once it occurs.

There's a lot of subjectivity in your two posts there. And "decent" vs. "good" needs defining of both words, I'm guessing we agree just using different words. KC did have a WR problem. As to us at 4th & 7th, I'd argue that given that we have Allen that we should consistently be in the to three in both. Debatable nonetheless.

Has there been a lot of criticism of Beane in these threads? I haven't criticized Beane at all in 2024 so far, but let's be honest, whatever situation that we're in, this has been his roster for 6 drafts going on 7 now. So if people are critical, Beane would seem to be the core person to direct their discontent, no? Since we're on the topic however, if there's one reason to consider criticizing him, wouldn't it be the WR situation? We haven't had a season yet on his watch where people here have been satisfied with our WRs as an entire unit. Now we're heading into a draft with arguably one of the weakest WR situations we've had since when, 2019? The consensus opinion here is that Diggs has lost a step and is no longer a solid #1. We have no #2, only Shakir in the slot, now Samuel and Hollins to compete with him, neither having held down a #2 spot well before. Beane hasn't drafted a WR on days 1 or 2 on his 6-year draft watch. Isn't that worthy of criticism? Not necessarily suggestive that he should be fired or anything, but certainly something that is an issue due to his management of the roster, no? Simply playing a little devil's advocate. People point out a lot of things wrong with our team, but it's never anyone's fault.

That's pretty much the point. What we've signed are more support type WRs, not anything that's going to solve the problem we have at WR. Again, not sure how we avoid being forced to take a WR with our 28th. ... barring slight trade up or down. Samuel's a decent signing, but there's the typical overreaction to it as well. As usual, nothing we do or say changes anything, we'll see how it shakes out.

Of course not, that's common sense, but the traditional premise that, as you point out, the most talented NFL-ready players are generally drafted in the first 3 rounds, and I'd bump that up to the first 2 rounds, is in play if we want to minimize our risk in finding one. Either way, I'm a step ahead of you there. I've already scoured the draft lists for the past few years. Of all the WRs drafted last year, only Nacua put up over 1,000 yards and only four put up 7+ TDs. Besides, if Beane's record for WRs that late proves anything, it's that we're not likely to find that unicorn. This is a good draft to go WR, or possibly trade down a few spots if more than one of the WRs we want are still there, in the 1st at 28th. The best NFL receiver in this draft may very well be the 4th, 5th, or 6th WR taken. My money would go on Harrison Jr. but who knows after that.

It might help, but in analyzing what Samuel is, he's a slot WR to start, or at least was in Washington. In Carolina he was a starter at times, on the outside, but the third receiver statistially. His competition for starting time wasn't exactly staunch in either Carolina or Washington after DJ Moore, which raises questions as to why he couldn't perform better. The last two seasons as Washington's second-leading receiver, he averaged 600+ yards and 4 TDs per season. In short, how much better is he than a bunch of other journeymen WRs that have come through here in recent years. Having Allen will obviously help, but not sure it answers the mail on our situation. As always, time will tell. The forum here will let you know quickly whether he's anteing up or not. LOL

Yeah, they've gotta see who's there first though. Also, that's if the Packers or another team would make a trade like that. I'm not one of those that follows what everyone is doing, so I have no idea outside of our actual moves. The first big decision will be seeing which WRs go off the board as our 28th nears. Of the teams immediately ahead of us, it seems that only Arizona, at 27th, is the only team in desperate need of a WR as well. We'll see what happens. This time of year is the worst, we have no idea what's really going on, all we can do is hope for the best. 6 more weeks. LOL

Agree, I'd rather see that than a trade up for sure. Who knows what they'll do, there's plenty of time, but with only two picks in nearly the first four rounds, they'd better either hit on a Jefferson type ringer or make the most of the two, or three (if they trade-down) picks that they have in the first three rounds. We need elite players, not merely average to above-average starters. It's time for Beane to earn some of that contract. Either way, how on earth can they possibly avoid drafting a WR barring some monumental trade or the like.