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Agree with all of that. But keep in mind that on our market it could backfire. That appears to be what we're looking at here. The other thing that does not go unnoticed, whether people articulate it or not, is the blatant dishonesty. An article went up yesterday or the day before, with quotes from Legends starting that fewer than 1% of STHs have gone through. That's a few hundred people. Yet, several different posters here have started that their reps have told them that whatever they're now selling are selling fast. I suppose that's possible, but given the talk everywhere and people already bowling out, it's also highly unlikely. Things like that song go unnoticed. Buffalo's a horse of a different color and needs to be managed as such.

Nothin but the best for us. 😁

Possibly, but it's not a good look either way. I think I'm pretty objective in this. I've had STs in the past, understand the business aspects of it, but also realize that no other businesses in the region get their business expenses paid by the public anywhere near that scale. When the owner of that business is a multi-billionaire it says much. Then little things, like the "Pegula Family Values" slide, with zero concern for anyone else's family values that buy the product, and then buying a yacht in the middle of negotiations claiming that you don't have the money for a stadium while simultaneously callously proclaiming that you have a lifestyle to maintain implying that can afford and need a yacht but can't afford your own stadium aka "business expenses." Right now the ill will seems to be streaming from this secretive approach to releasing the prices. Fine, do the priority thing, but at least release the prices to let people know what the options are. As it stands there is going to be a whole lot of "if I had known I'd have bought ... (other seats)" down the road that will further cause issues and additional ill will. It's a bad and less than honest approach. Just my two cents as someone who's been disgusted with ML sports Tix ever since Ticketmaster and the others have been given preferential treatment by the leagues and governments. Just my two cents. I don't really care as none of it applies to me since I wouldn't pay for a PSL on principle and haven't had STs in years and am happy buying secondary as I do now, for maybe one live game per season carefully selected, and otherwise perfectly happy to watch in a Bills Backers bar or even at home.

Another ouster in the divisional round will probably push that rock over the edge. I obviously can't speak for anyone else but myself, but simply beating the hapless Jets, Pats, & Fins, which is expected, winning the division and "making the playoffs" and never being able to beat anything but sorry QBs and wild-card teams there, with Allen as our QB just ain't cutting it anymore.

Once again, the challenge was ignored. I also didn't realize that Big Ben was a coach. That might be a small glimpse into the problem you have here I'm sure you are having fun in your own little world, oblivious to what was posited. For some reason the kid spending hours trying to put the blocks into the correct holes comes to mind here while reading your "answers." Here s clue, try not to force the square ones into the round holes. 😉

You have difficulty with basic comprehension apparently. That does not alter the facts as presented one bit. You going off on an emotional filibuster didn't alter that. There's not much sense in us discussing this further.

That's a narrative that isn't really true. Let's start by asking, what happens should Pegula decide to move the team at any point once the stadium is up? Most people don't seem to understand that this supposed agreement really doesn't have very large teeth. Anyway, what happens, what's the "penalty" if they move? Let's start there and walk through why it's nonsense.

I can only speak for myself, and it's not merely the PSLs but the overpriced tix generally speaking these days, particularly on the secondary market where companies like Ticketmaster screw people over despite it being "legal," but sports have generally gotten out of hand in that way. I have trouble being raked over the coals and being blackmailed that if we want a team then we need to ante up whether it's taxes of PSLs and expensive tickets, parking, etc. making little difference. Some of these players make 7-figures on a per-game basis and it's getting worse. Many easily make into the 6-figure territory per game, and while I don't have STs, I know plenty of people that do and aren't making even 6-figures per year. At some point I stepped back and started thinking that it's madness. I detest the NFL, love the Bills, but at some point I simply have to say enough is enough.

The difference between Reid and McD in playoff performance is pronounced. And that's Reid with McNabb, not Mahomes. Conspicuously missing from your brief and extremely limited assessment is the name Allen. Allen is already considered among the best QBs of all-time. So, when you're ready to add some validity and veracity to your argument, name all of the coaches that are/were considered to be/have-been well above average, that entirely failed to beat anything but a wild-card team (i.e. not one single division-winner) in 7 seasons featuring 6 playoffs. If you can do that, you have a chance at convincing people. If not, and from what I've researched, there are none, then that needs to be factored into your argument. Another aspect to it is explaining why during the regular season we have one of the best Defenses, if not the best defense, in the league, but in the playoffs it's the opposite, we have one of the worst generally speaking. Again, if you can do that, you'll have a much better chance of convincing people. After 7 seasons many of us have reached a ceiling in our expectations, ... based upon 7 seasons of evidence that is. How many seasons of evidence is necessary? Serious question. What, 12? 15? 20? Allen won't be along that long and our chances diminish terminally once he is no longer here. The way that this is fixin' to go down is that we'll never win a Super Bowl, may not even be in one, Allen will leave, and whether here or elsewhere McD will prove the very average coach that he is, and then and only then will people begin to say that he was overrated because he had Allen. Funny too, some of us said the same about Belichick who's done absolutely zilch apart from Brady, ever, but that only finally took root recently too. Oh well ...

We'll know it's goin' down when someone sees the urinal troughs heading there.

👍 I'm out of town now so it's more difficult. I'm not one of those people that particularly enjoys going to games where we obliterate bread teams. LOL I had mine during the drought years and trying to pawn off the games I couldn't make became too tedious and difficult. I correctly figured that it would be easier to simply overpay for the two or three games that I wanted to go to and could make. I largely kept them "in case we made the playoffs." LOL

Bummer! Was fun reading about that hallucinating dude that flipped off the police in the chopper. I'll be awaiting someone to sneak in and leap off of some structure from 30' up to land on a flaming table.

Wow! Good for you to be able to afford that. Even if I could I wouldn't. LOL I hear ya on the "migration" stuff, but that's more or less what I had in mind when I made the statement. To your question, a few people here have stated that they bailed on it so far and others have said simply that they're not going to renew given what they know. It will be interesting. What is interesting now is that I just read in a piece out today (or yesterday) how fewer than 1% of STHs have been contacted, which would be fewer than 700 or so, but how some people that went through the "experience" and reported on it here stated that they've been told that the seats are selling quickly, which would seem to contradict the reports. If I had money coming out of my a$$ I might buy a pair of seats under a heater somewhere, but alas, I don't. LOL

The big question is whether The Pit will be available this season when necessary.

Of course. The PSLs aren't going to be $10k for upper deck corners. LOL From the survey as I recall, they started around $1,000 or so, but again, for the UD corners, Upper EZs which will be much higher than the current EZs, etc. I don't recall that any seats on a per-seat basis after PSLs will be less than around $100/game however. For example and from their survey; Upper level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 After the PSL that's $124 per game for 8 games and $110 per game for 9 games. "Minimal coverage" for whatever that means, no heat. Those seats will sell, particularly to fans that don't care whether there's a roof/coverage/heat/etc. Based upon everyone's comments, here, in the BuffNews, facebook, etc., there's going to be a mass migration from where people are now to less-expensive seats further up on towards/in the EZs. And keep in mind there will be far more EZ seats too.

Once again, the question is how many coaches, and where are they now and how has history regarded them, have failed to beat anything but wild-card teams in the playoffs? As to the D, what good is a top-ranked D when it plays like a bottom-ranked or incredibly average D at best come playoff time? I don't think that too many of us would be disappointed if we went to several AFC CGs and lost to a better team. But that hasn't been the case. Same for the Super Bowl. We can't even reach the AFC CG other than once.

Your post is as good as any for making some points here. To your statement that McD exceeded expecations in 2020, while true, Allen was coming off of a 20 TD/9 INT season with criticism of him mounting. He exploded in 2020. That had little to do with McD. Think Belichick/Brady here. As to comps with other coaches, I cannot find a single coach out there, and please, seriously, let me know if there is one, that is historically considered anything better than above-average but nothing great, that never beat anything but a wild-card team in the playoffs his first 7 seasons. And that with a #1/2/4th ranked D and Allen playing better than all but a few QBs in NFL history and providing heretofore unseen play at the NFL level. Lewis is the closest comp. Reid performed much better with McNabb. McNabb! In Levy's first 7 seasons he took the team to five AFC CGs. In his second season, with the 3rd ranked D and 14th ranked O, he took us to the AFC CG, with Kelly. In four of the next 5 seasons he took us to four straight Super Bowls with Kelly and the 6th, 19th, 14th, and 5th ranked Defenses. McD can't beat anything but a wild-card team, twice against weak divisional opponents, once against a team with their third-string QB, once against another team with their 2nd/3rd string QB, another with an ancient QB in his last NFL game ever. McD has ultimately done precious little more here since he's had Allen than Norv Turner did in San Diego with Rivers. None of the coaching comps that people use to compare McD to, McD, Dungy, etc., failed to beat anything but wild-card teams thereby entirely underachieving in their playoffs. The only one that did was Marvin Lewis and last time anyone checked he's not considered a great coach. He's strongly criticized here. If he were our coach no doubt everyone would be calling for his ouster. Allen's either a generational talent at QB and better than Kelly and so many other QBs that the criticized coaches had (McNabb, Palmer, Dalton, and many more) or he isn't. It's an uphill if not impossible argument to suggest that he isn't. If he is, then the bar needs to be set higher than what we've gotten, particularly when accompanied with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ranked Ds. Under Mahomes, KC's Ds have been ranked 24th, 7th, 10th, 8th, 16th, and 2nd. My take on McD is that being a defensive guru, he prides himself on his defense, which is why we've devoted all of the top resources to it. It's quietly been his goal to have the #1 D in the league if possible, all other things being secondary. His "complimentary football" MO feeds into that 100%. The question is whether or not that's the way and path to a Championship/Lombardi, or not. Those of us critical appear to believe that focusing on the offense, which he knows little about personally, and must rely upon people he hand selects to get the job done, but that job isn't to make the O the focal point of the team, it's to support his D ala "complimentary football." Again, my take. This is also MO as to why we'll never get a truly top-notch person in here as OC, because that person would threaten McD's tenure as HC should the team continue to fail due to our defense in the playoffs as it generally has. Either way, this ridiculous inability, regardless of opponent, to beat anything but 7th seeds (3 times), and once a 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs, once each, both teams with significant issues, is problematic. None of the great coaches failed to do that, much less in 7 straight seasons. That's a fact, how people process it is up to them. Allen cannot play the way he does and provide 80% of the offense far into his 30s. He's either going to have to change his style in several years to a more of a pocket-passing QB, which will be difficult at that point, retire, or diminish in which case the team's O would diminish with him. It would be tragic if we went five more seasons only winning the division which is mediocre to begin with, making the playoffs, failing to beat any good teams therein, while never being able to even appear in a Super Bowl. It doesn't matter whether we have to go through Mahomes every season. The Chiefs are not invincible. Cincy beat them in the playoffs, so did Tampa in the Super Bowl. Other than that, they too haven't really faced any great teams, so that whole thing is also a bit overrated. They've faced almost no great QBs otherwise. They simply don't make stupid mistakes and decisions, and their units show up over, not underachieving. That can only be attributable to preparation and coaching. Otherwise how can excelling in the regular season but choking in the playoffs be explained. At some point, much as it was in the '90s, fans are going to become discontent with merely making the playoffs and start expecting to at minimum go to the AFC CG every season. Many of us are there already as McD's been given ample time/seasons to do so but has failed. Apparently many are not there yet. Many fans simply seem quite content simply having football to watch in Buffalo, watching Allen as if we've never had a great QB here. LOL In fact, for some of our younger fans, they haven't seen a great QB in Buffalo. Which is fine, but especially given the forthcoming pricing reminding us that this is fully a business, I'd like to see more, much more, than making the playoffs followed by a Divisional-round exit. Call me unreasonable. I realize that you won't agree, I'm simply trying to clarify some things that routinely go unacknowledged in these discussions. Like comparing Reid in Philly to McD here, when Reid beat what, four, five division winners in his inaugural seasons in Philly, with McNabb, even going to a Super Bowl once after appearing in four straight Conference Championships, again, with McNabb, while McD can't advance past the Divisional Round more than once, then personally gift-wrapping the game for our opponent in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. If we're going to discuss it, it needs to be an objective, not subjective discussion.

I'm entirely with you except for the part about Bill. We'll probably disagree on this, but Brady made Bill, not the other way around. That's been my position for 20 years. Bill's finished, whether he continues to coach or not. If he does, you'll be glad we didn't get him IMO. But you're entirely on-point re: McD.

In fact, the NFL disgusts me these days. If I weren't a Bills fan I wouldn't watch it care. Makes it somewhat bittersweet for me.

Outstanding post Chaos! I would add to that by asking, is it a reasonable expectation for a coach whose team has a top ranked Defense and a generational QB like Allen, to simply win a division that's perennially one of the weakest in the league, yet be unable to beat anything but wild-card teams in the playoffs after 7 seasons. That doesn't even address the coaching flaws that were the primary reasons for our playoff losses. (13-Second, etc ). I've looked, but I can't find a single coach that has historically been considered to have been great, that never beat anything but wild-card teams come playoff time in his first 7 seasons. The inability to do that with a 1st or 2nd ranked Defense and Allen at QB is somewhat mystifying.

Yeah, indeed. Just being light-hearted of course. Seriously though, everyone's different, but for me, I'm not all that big on going to games where I know we're going to obliterate some hapless team. I prefer the bigger games, like most people. But I'm not willing to pay much for the crappy ones just to "see the team," especially in crap weather. For me, overpaying to see one or two games live is significantly less expensive than getting seasons, and then I have a choice closer to game time. If the weather going to suck I can watch it on TV. I used to have STs, but living out of town I got tired of eating them for games that no one wanted to go to when I didn't go, which was most games. That's when it hit me that it would cost me less to significantly overpay for the game or two I really wanted to see and ditch the stress and time commitment to selling the others. The major league sports business models have also gotten out of hand in the last decade or two.

That's a good deal? 🤔

That pic of his wife fits the story perfectly.

Followed by a trip to "The Pit" for some introspection and reflection regarding the imminent New Year as well. It's egregiously reaching. Has there ever been a regularly scheduled Wednesday game? Either way, it makes me want to deliberately not watch them, which I probably wouldn't anyway.

Well, the general topic started with edge-rush/pass-rush. My point is that at 30th overall Groot hasn't exactly owned up to late 1st-round status. At 61st Basham was all but a bust. At 56th AJE's been decent in a rotational role, but hardly impressive and far from some late 2nd-round "steal" as some here insisted at the time. Oliver, DT, but billed as a pass-rushing specialist DT, was also no great shakes at 9th overall and hasn't lived up to that either. That's all I'm saying. Rather than Beane using a pick to get talent that can otherwise be gotten in later rounds, and again, assuming that his pattern doesn't change, given the needs we have elsewhere, may not be the wisest use of our 1st. In the '20 Draft for example, 5 players drafted after AJE, most way after, have posted better stats than AJE. And let's not get into the yeah, but his stats don't accurately reflect his value nonsense. AJE was drafted 54th and has 15.5 career stats, none in 8 playoff games. Danna drafted by KC at 177th has 17; Uche drafted at 60th has 18.5; Wonnum drafted at 117th has 23; Greenard drafted at 90th has 23; and Highsmith drafted at 102nd has 29.5. Ours are all good depending upon the definition of good, none great, but most importantly, none show up with even the remotest of consistency in the playoffs. They all pull a disappearing act. If you're argument is that for some reason you think that the fifth time's going to be the charm, great, but I'll respectfully disagree as that makes little sense to me. Agree, and that really is the only logical primary approach. At some point this team with it's 1st, 2nd, and 4th ranked defenses and Allen, needs to beat something better than a wild-card team in the playoffs. Either way, if what you said above does not occur, then what?