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Wait, isn't that what this place is all about? 😁

Damn! Well, I'll just have to wait until it comes back down to where I can afford it without financing it. 😎😁

No doubt. I'm sure that they're all permanently distraught, rudderless souls sans any hopes now, since they sat thru a simple commencement speech. All those things that Dean Wormer told Blutarsky are finally making sense to them. On a non-facetious side note, this just in, but many people do spend a lot of time and money on worthless degrees without anyone's prodding. And frankly, if a commencement speech really alters any 20-some year old adult's entire world view or causes them such emotional pain and consternation to much of any extent, other than the expected unnecessary waste of the duration of a commencement ceremony, then they probably did waste their time and money there. Good luck to them at the onset of their professional lives. All of a sudden you've shed some light on all of the adult tantrums that people have for varying reasons. 😎 The last commencement ceremony that I went to featured a guy running waaay long on how his family came to the States and opened a motel chain. After not too long there was a bunch of eye-rolling as to the entirely unnecessary length, increasing chatter amongst the attendees, and an extended case of a$$ numbness. I'm pretty sure that once it was over no one remembered much or cared. Is it $7 now? I'm PISSED! It was $4.99 last year. 😁

You're not in proper form here. First of all, what does the Super Bowl have to do with football. Secondly, your not angry enough. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" The most important takeaway, worry about others and other peoples' business first. Don't worry about yourself or your own business. 😉😁

That seems to be leaning on the dramatic side, no? It seems more like 2019 without the ease of schedule that propelled us to 9 wins. At the same time it's a seasoned Allen, not a breakout Allen. The division should be more difficult despite the fact that it was Brady's last season in NE then. NE and the Jets will both be better and they both beat us once with NE having nearly beaten us twice. The biggest issue seems to be that we're orchestrating the offense as if we have some game manager QB when we have Allen. It makes little sense.

And Herbert along with Keenan Allen both

I've provided much of the information you've asked for already. I have not gone through gbg and detailed them. As stated, I will, but when I have time. I will try to remember to ping you when I do. I'm actually going to splice the video together for all of them. Also, as I've stated, "drops" are subjective. There is no metrics criteria for drops insofar as I know. But the video is the video, and if you've watched it then you've watched it. I'll tell you what though, before I get to that whenever that is, why don't you ping us all on what you consider to be anything beyond routine catches. I think I counted three. It would be far easier to do that.

Did you watch the video? It's facts, visual facts. I'm guessing that you did not. So far one person admittedly has, and that person's assessment was downgraded as a result. Not as a result of my words or anything that I said, but as a result of their own visual sensibilities. Stop making this about me and get over yourself. It's obvious that you don't like me, so deal with it. Otherwise, LOL, do you have any idea of how much "bias" there is here, or anywhere for that matter. That was a pretty funny statement.

This might have some meaning if you didn't disagree with so much of what's in my posts, often simply facts.

The point is that to much of being of this signing. He may not even make the roster. He ask day caused problems in KC this past season. Reminds me of our Sherfield signing. BTW, the Sherfield signing is an outstanding example of how the majority is usually correct or your earlier statement. Just sayin' ...

He sucks. ... whatever his role. Simply bc he played for KC doesn't make him better than he is.

I couldn't possibly disagree more with that. 🙂 But yes, your very much into onto something re: the emotions vs. reality angle. We do tend to get up for big games. Consider however that we lost to some real crap teams and played several others nearly losing.

My point was that everyone grows about him when he was cheap. Now we're talking about taking on a lesser version of him at greater expense. It's not complicated here. 🙂 OK, so I Guess everyone works be happy. 🙄

Great, sign him then. LOL I'm not sure how it gets less expensive than Davis tho. He wasn't even 1M/season. MVS also doesn't have Davis' talent.

Nah, I don't really care, but Davis was on a 4th round rookie contact here.

Correct, but he's worse than David in every area of complaint about Davis.

50.3% career catch%. LOL 50.0% this past season. Funny, we boot Davis and some want an even worse WR re: drops and catch% and with no particularly consistent skillset.

I guess I don't take "reality" as hard as some do. Your statements were insightful in that way. For me the analysis is just as much fun. Consider however, you said that life is short, but Allen's career is even shorter.

Thanks, and where I disagree is in that first bolded part, at least somewhat. After our Dallas game, he kept running Cook, 20, then 16, then 13 times/game, when Cook's average was beyond pedestrian, it was pathetic. It's nothing surprising that Cook's not a season-long 20 carry/game type, but we kept running him despite the lack of production. The team took a lot of heat for it right here even. Same in the playoffs where his production was low-end from a ypc perspective. But now we're crossing over into the decision to "become faster" while ditching Sing/Moss and make Cook the focus, without any inkling as to whether or not he would be up for the rigors of a full season like that. Obviously he wasn't. So now apparently they're abandoning that track and going to more of a power-running game then? Which gets us to your second bolded part. Yes, there is obviously a disconnect between our drafts and the use of our drafted players, at least somewhat and on offense in particular. There are also some disconnects in how to properly utilize Allen, which is obvious as this point. But the one thing that isn't right is simply throwing everything on Allen's shoulders come playoff time because we have no one capable of orchestrating optimal utilization of the players that we do have on offense.

I counted 52 catches on 92 targets. I watched every one at least twice and annotated the particulars of the play. Where he was when he caught the ball or when it was thrown to him, how many yards the play (and YAC by formula) he got, etc. The officials on him are 50 catches, so I'll have to go back game by game to see where I was off. But the point was not to depress you. LOL The point is to try to close the gap between reality and fantasy, the latter of which is quite often if not typically disguised as a narrative. But your observations line up with mine. But the narrative is what, it's that he's tough in traffic, can catch contested balls, great hands, etc. I didn't see that and from your post it doesn't sound as if you did either. That article I read almost immediately after the Draft, and while it's someone else's research, sites like PFF typically do at least a halfway decent job on theirs. I originally watched the video and thought to myself, 'wow, that's a lot of bubble screens and other screens and gadget plays that don't typically line up with a draft pick at the round 1/2 break. (aka late round 1, first in round 2) So I decided to catalog every play. Upon doing so it added, not detracted, to my concerns. As you say, there were a few times where Coleman made "Wow!" plays, I count three of those, and several others where he made a good, albeit not particularly unusual catch in coverage. (aka traffic) But I saw absolutely nothing on the plus side of average there, to the contrary in fact. As you realize, I agree with you on that assessment in your first para. I suppose that he could be the next Andre Johnson in fact, but I suspect that he'll be closer to the late James Hardy whom we drafted at 41st in '08. We will see. No amount of discussion here will alter that outcome. But where I'm largely thrown is that if your a team interested in him, particularly in reaching for him before almost all of the draft profiles on him had him going later than that, then wouldn't you have watched, at mimimum, the content in that video? Yet, we're expected to believe that they did and that he was their guy. Well OK, but consider, about half of those 50 plays on which he caught balls, simply don't work well in the NFL for a player of his stature. Of the otehr half his completion percentage is so low that it begs criticism. And of the single biggest asset they claimed about him upon drafting him, was his ability to catch contested balls. But as you essentially corroborated, he was problematic in tight coverage, aka "contested passes," that from the "eye test" from watching every pass reception of his. PFF does a fantastic job of putting the math behind it in contrast with the other drafted WRs. And while I may have not traded down with Carolina and gone with Legette, both Legette and McConkey add a dimension to our offense that presently is not there. What does Coleman add? Nothing that we do not already have. It's a lot of things, but all targets are not catchable balls. But the point was look at where they were playing Diggs. It's far from where he's been playing throughout his career, under Brady that is. The question is why? OK, so let's suppose that it's true, the narrative that is, that he's lost a step, what, that means that he plays in the backfield or close to it most of the time? Wouldn't he be relying on his "step" for YAC in those situations. It's a rhetorical question, but the whole thing stinks, and given how the team has lied to us repeatedly, it raises more questions than it answers.

No, but I'm anti-PSL. I'd never pay one on principle alone.

Well yeah, but also where they were playing him. I just watched the KC playoff game and there were times when he was lined up in the backfield and even ran a sweep. I mean really? Most of the time he appeared to be a decoy, but I only saw a few deep routes. Either way, if you're interested in his game-by-game catch %, they're all in his game logs. Well, at least one of the passes (aka targets) wasn't anywhere near catchable. The others weren't all on the highlight video. Thanks, and I'd be incredibly interested in your take after watching the video. Here it is if you've got 22 minutes. If you do watch it, take note as to how many passes he touches that you consider to be catchable, particularly given the narrative that he's hands in traffic, aka "contested catches." I was simply hoping that we'd draft a WR capable of flying, if for no other reason than to give us a dimension to our passing game that it now appears we do not have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOA_jjDOCr4&t=11s I also read this piece which counters the narrative and is well supported and supports the points that I've made. In fact it was one of my sources of info. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-florida-state-keon-coleman-polarizing-wide-receiver-prospect Well no, but he did have QBs the last couple of seasons that weren't bad at the high-percentage stuff that he's suited to. He had more targets this and last season than everyone on our team except for Diggs in '23 and Diggs and Davis in '22. Remember, the areas where Samuel runs routes are not Allen's strong suit. Allen's pretty average if even that in that high-percentage short-medium game. That means a lot of QBs are better than he is there. Again, would love to get your opinion on that Coleman every pass video.

I hear ya. As you likely know, I'm of the mindset that Diggs was more a product of Brady's use of him than of anything else. We're expected to believe that from the Cincy game on 11/5 to the Jets game on 11/19, a mere two weeks, that Diggs "lost a step" to the extent that his production was halved. My sensibilities don't allow for such drastically unprecedented drop in performance barring some major injury. Also, as I've pointed out to others, it's Brady's use of Diggs. A great example is the nfl.com highlight reel for the week 18 @ Fins game. In that game Diggs had his man beaten twice, once badly with Allen overthrowing him in a big way on a deep fly. That would have been a TD and his stats would have reflected that. There was another deep throw that he caught, but it was underthrown, and had Allen not underthrown it, it would have been a TD too. On a bunch of other plays you can see Diggs running shorter routes near, or even behind, the LoS, while numerous other WRs run the deeper stuff. So it's not like he even has a chance on those plays. But the point is that if he truly lost a step, then it should have been and would have been most evident as more time passes, namely the last game of the season. But it was obviously not the case in that game. So that kind of stuff is suspect as well. There's complete agreement there, but consider, the fact that we're even talking about it like that is troubling. What, professional football coaches can't figure that out? It's common sense. Hell, even the announcers reference it sometimes. Ergo, questions need to start being asked. Was that Brady's inability to see through that, or was he being forced/coerced into that? Those on the critical side of the fence have our suspicions, those on the other can't possibly fathom the notion. There's some other reason, right. Well, to start, it doesn't really matter what we think anyway, we simply discuss. I'm not entirely writing Brady off either, but at the same time my sensibilities, rooted in reality, cannot allow me to insist that things improved with him over Dorsey, for the reasons stated in our exchange prior to this. The numbers don't lie, try as some may to get them to. LOL It's also pretty evident that McDefense has his MO, but it's hardly building around Allen, which then necessarily questions an OC that is under McD's thumb. As a result, and given that Brady was a familiarity hire and at best is an OJT OC, it doesn't bode well for him, particularly now with Diggs and Davis gone. And BTW, it was Davis that caught a 57-yard TD in the Chargers game w/o which we would have lost. What you said about him being creative is going to be the key to the offense this season. We don't have A+ talent at the skill positions. He'll have to find a way to have the sum-of-the-parts end up being more than the whole. I'd be surprised if he with his limited experience can do that. Pleasantly, nonetheless. I would also question whether we actually have more reliable pass catchers. Coleman's the big add there and I'm simply not seeing it in his "every pass" video that I'm in the process of editing down for both the good and the bad. I don't think that any honest person watching that video would disagree. Same for Samuel whose career Catch% is 65.4%, which is well below average, particularly for a WR whose career YPR is 10.7 and very much in the target area for the high-percentage shorter passing game. His Success% is also below average, and so is Coleman's last season at FSU. There's far too much hype over him as well. But the contrary narrative has formed, so now we're in the 8th time's the charm mode with him. As an analyst I have no choice but to go with the odds there. I also can't get too excited over Hollins, a WR that's averaged slightly over 1 catch/game and 17.8 receiving yards/game with 10 total TDs in a 7 year career. Not to mention that he's on his fourth team in as many years. Harty's profile in terms of production was similar although they're two different type of WRs, we saw how big of a factor he was. Anyway, we'll have to disagree on reliability. Who knows if we've lost much, but objectively there's not much there to suggest greater reliability. I know it's easy to get all whooped up this time of year, during Camp and in preseason, but realities are realities. In order for all of this improvement to play out, McD has to back off of breathing down Brady's neck; if that were to happen, we'd need Brady, a first time OC, to figure out how to be creative enough to overcome the better coached defensive teams in the league; we'd need Samuel to make a pretty sizeable leap in production and reliability, one that heretofore in seven seasons to date; and Coleman will have to do what he didn't do at FSU and in circumstances other than what he was primarily involved in while there. Believing that all of that will come together for the positive is a pretty substantial and blind leap of faith. Yes, I realize that. But the context was in his primary use as a short-yardage back in terms of another suggesting his optimal use. Moss was the same, with superior collegiate accolades in both, and we see how much and how they used him. Will it be a repeat? If it is, why would anyone assume that a similar RB with a lesser draft profile, and quite frankly with largely uncoachable weaknesses, would excel in such a role?

Oh yeah, not arguing anything like that, again, more discussing the team's stated approach over the past couple of seasons and the inconsistencies therein. Nothing disagreeable there generally speaking. I simply don't see that if they didn't use Singletary or Moss in that regard, or even properly per their skillsets, why Davis would fit the bill when his strengths coming out in the draft aren't even what theirs were. nfl.com has Davis penciled in for a backup RB w/ a chance of becoming a starter. That doesn't really seem to help us given our pattern of underutilizing or mis-utilizing the talents of players on offense as it is. PFF has him possibly being a starter for a downhill rushing team. That's not our identity, or hasn't been as of yet. LOL If we make that our identity, LOL, then I'm pretty sure that the fans and media will be asking tons of questions. As to Davis the prospect, one of the first things I've always looked for in trying to determine future value, is to what extent a player's weaknesses can be coached into that player. Davis' weaknesses don't appear to be of that nature, generally speaking. But you're right, maybe this draft for us turns out to be the best for any team since 2000. Who knows. But the equal if not better odds exist that it'll more mimic our drafts from '18 thru '21. Who cannot easily envision Coleman doing a combination James Hardy/Watkins, Bishop developing into an above-average starter, Carter becoming a good but not great much less elite DT, and Davis going the way of Sing/Moss. If that happens, what good would it have done for Allen and the offense. It would be good for the team to claim an identity however and stick to that. Why that identity isn't surrounding Allen and therefore doing everything reasonably possible to facilitate that is to the frustration of quite a few people. Instead, going into this season it's D, rushing, and the associated "complimentary football" all while shifting from, presumably given the evidence, from a speed to a power rushing team. A lot of people don't think that makes much sense, or for sure not the most sense.

LOL, yes, clearly, but for different reasons. They're entertainment to me as well, but so are stats, so they're of equal entertainment to me. Otherwise, yes, probably best for neither of us to debate on these topics with each other. Go Bills!!