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How do you think he'll perform for us?

Did Ken Dorsey have a lot of apologists & defenders? Seems that he had a lot more let's wait and see types. Seems that his biggest defenders when he took over are the same people defending Brady now for similar reasons, aka McD knows what he's doing, trust him. That and because Allen wanted him. Just sayin'.

It really was. Nathan Lane did a great job. Hank Azaria was also great in it. Robin Williams too, but that goes w/o saying.

Reminds me of this clip from The Birdcage. I can't figure out how to put the video in. https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d9944ff1-f3d1-470b-b857-7f2214ac0e5e

Just ssnap the ball ssilly!

Here's the thing, we can say that everything worked in perfect unison during the second half, after Brady took over, but not the offense, and, moreover, under very favorable circumstances. For instance, in our 6-1 stretch, we lost to Philly because of crap defense. They were good but not that good. They went on a 1-6 skid after they played us and as everyone said, they were overrated. We beat the Chiefs, which we can't do in the playoffs, after having had a bye week and after the Chiefs came off of a road loss to the Packers while having issues of their own, like Pacheco out. We played Dallas which came into Buffalo completely worn down from their biggest game of the season vs. Philly the week prior, a Sunday Night game no less. Then we barely beat the Chargers who were w/o Herbert, Allen, and Bosa; the Pats and Mac Jones; and Miami whom we own. We easily could have lost any one of those three games and needed D and STs TDs to win two of them. Our offense averaged 19.3 points-per-game in those three games, which needless to say is pathetic, particularly against those Ds. That's hardly things going perfectly unless you mean luck & circumstances. What you first said is what I envision occurring. The question is, at what point will McD begin taking any heat for any of this stuff. To date the culpability rolls off of him like no coach I've ever seen. Either way, Coleman as the X-Receiver is a disaster waiting to happen. If Brady can't see that ... In fairness to him, it seems that his hand is being forced. But hey, dance with the devil, ...

If the trend of Allen having a 60% completion % and a rating of about 85, along with what would be 24 passing TDs on the season under Brady in the regular season continues, or even close, there are going to be a whole lot of unhappy people and a mountain of criticism. And the misfit of the decade is Coleman as an X Receiver. Brady's got his work cut out for himself. We'll never know how much McD is breathing down his neck. This is an incredibly curious season offensively. You sure it was Brady's that wanted that?

For me the value of a GM is predominantly in how he drafts. Free agents are known quantities and their costs are their costs precisely because they’re known quantities. There’s no mystery or big analysis involved. The biggest issue when signing a lot of free agents is cap management. So signing a top player at his position for top-dollar really shouldn’t be a feather in anyone’s cap in terms of “spotting talent.” College players soon to be rookies require significantly more knowledge and analysis in determining how they’ll translate to the NFL. That’s where GMs set themselves apart. Rookie contracts for starting players are what enable a team to avoid cap issues. When it comes time to extend them you can often get a home-team discount by doing it a year earlier in a little bit of a trade-off. Free agents are entirely known quantities and far more no-brainers. Most fans can figure it out. Take Diggs for example, it’s not as if everyone didn’t know that he’d put up big numbers with Allen at QB. The other thing is figuring out what your strengths are and then capitalizing on those. In our case it’s Allen, so we should be capitalizing on ensuring that he has everything that he needs to be all that he can possibly be. Regardless of who he’s drafted, has Beane done that? In last year’s draft he did with Kincaid and O’Torrence, but otherwise not so much. He also whiffed on Ford. Brown took a few seasons to catch on, and Cook is limited as a ball carrier and appears to have a season-long utility of about 180 carries, or about 10/game on average, after which he’s worn out and produces low-end rushing performance. He's done nothing worthy of note in the playoffs with 1 total TD in four playoff games and an average 13 carries for 48 yards on 3.6 yards-per-carry. From the time that Allen was drafted until before this past season, his OL has been average at best, but we also had historical fortune with injuries along the OL this past season with zero injuries. Other than for Diggs, and possibly Beasley for a season, his WRs have been average at best as well, and Diggs was bought, not drafted. We haven’t had a RB that has even approached being the type of all-around RBs that McCoy, Jackson, or Thurman were. He could have done more to build around Allen. Instead, the approach was to appease McD is his singular minded coaching approach of having the top defense in the league perennially, regardless of the costs to the other parts of the team. The extent to which McD influenced him can be argued, but if we’re laying the building of the team at his feet, then it would befall him. Where that ranks him who’s to say, but it’s a tough call to give him an A when he’s produced not a single elite player in six drafts apart from Allen. But also, when you have Allen, it’s a fool’s game not to do everything that you can to produce the high-scoring offense that he’s capable of leading. Has Beane done that? Many, including myself, would argue that he has not done that.

Beane yes, McD no.

He finally put together a very respectable OL as of last season, not prior to that. And, we had 100% perfect health, aka zero injuries, in our starting 5 OL-men. How often is that going to occur. I like McGovern over Morse, or at least it's a wash in my book, so we'll see. The entire D has hurt the team in the playoffs, they've almost never stepped up and when they have it's against Mac Jones or Lamar Jackson, the playoff chokemaster.

It's important to distinguish between the Draft & Free Agency. Also perhaps by unit: OL, RB, WR, TE, DL, LB, DBs He's obviously done better on D also.

That goes back to the context of our discussion. The bigger concern is what Shakir's injury is.

Right, like himself. Let's just call it a difference of opinion. There are plenty of people taking both views of this. It's not as if I'm the only one. Anything else today?

Right! We've only been awaiting the truth about "13 Seconds" for nearly three seasons now. Let us all know when the video of the real, not the nonsense video, posts.

Could have something to do with his achilles, no? Wasn't that acting up recently? Worst case is that he can't play, physically that is.

You've taken this waaaay outside the context of my post & points. Not much I can do about that. OK, we're still way out of context here, but he went to 4 conference championships in his first six seasons, 1 Super Bowl, all with an incredibly average QB like McNabb. In short, he came a lot closer more often than anyone else with comparable talent at QB. We're never going to win a Super Bowl with McDefense at the helm. This season is going to be incredibly revealing. It will be interesting to see how many are ready to throw the towel in on him by season's end. He's held us up come playoffs. He never outcoaches anyone in the playoffs. He's done almost nothing to play better in the playoffs than we play during the season. Getting back to the point, if Allen doesn't shine in the playoffs and carry McDefense's water, we have zero shot at winning. Plain and simple. McDefense never gets anyone to step up, Allen takes it upon himself, or as you imply, it doesn't happen and we have zero chance. There's not one playoff game that we were in and won that Allen played a poor game, not one. Of the ones we've one, besides Allen and Davis, no one has stepped up consistently. Our defense is fine overall. On D the total is greater than the sum of the parts, ... except in the playoffs where the total is less than the sum of the parts. That's another clue. This will be the season that more people catch on.

The nonsense about Newton I don't get. He posted one (1) above-average passing season in a season where the Panthers had one of if not the easiest schedule in the modern history of the game. The rest of his time in the NFL his aggregate numbers were an incredibly pedestrian 159 TDs/ 113 INTs (1.4-to-1), 1.2 TDs/game, about a 60% compl. %, an 83.4 Rating, and wasn't particularly great in the playoffs where he had plenty of help from the rest of his team, unlike Allen.

Philly went on their losing skid at the end of the season because both the O and the D collapsed. They allowed over 30 ppg in their 1-5 skid. They scored a mere 20.5 in their 1-5 skid. No team is going to win many games playing like that. When it's an entire team collapse, apart from perhaps a player or two, it's typically on the coach. Could be both. Hurts isn't a good playoff QB. He's only somewhat better than Lamar Jackson in the playoffs. He hasn't been singularly responsible for one playoff win, unlike Allen for example.

Well, you implicitly touched on a lot of things, that all support the point, but you seem to have missed the point. I discount 2019 and always have for reasons of fairness to Allen. Mahomes has had Reid, an offensive mastermind. Allen has never had anyone close. Point 2: Sure, 2021 was a draw. But Allen had Diggs, an average OL at best, no significant #2 WR after Diggs who did nothing. Mahomes had Hill and Kelce and a vastly superior OL. Point 3: Swap out Allen for any of our drought era QBs. Do you think we would have even made the playoffs much less lost every playoff game we did make if we happened to accidentally make one like we did in 2017. I don't see us even posting a winning season. Point 4: In the playoffs, name one other player on the team, on either side, that has stepped up with even the hint of consistency besides Allen or Davis. How about coaching, what did McD do in the playoffs that won us a game besides capitalize off of Jackson who chokes nearly as bad as Bledsoe did in the playoffs. And for the sake of comparison, put Allen on KC and Mahomes with McD here. Do you really think that it would have been any different for us?

Some perspective is necessary. Without Allen on our team, this team would have rivaled the worst of the drought era. He's had to overcome some of the worst OL play until this past season, not having any great RBs behind him, only situational types, never a McCoy, Thomas, Jackson, etc. His WRs with the exception of the now hated Diggs have been below average otherwise. He's had to overcome poor coaching at times. Despite all that he goes into a zone when it matters the most, the playoffs, unlike our fearless leader, and carries the team as far as it can go without much support in the playoffs. Imagine if some of those other pieces were consistently in place!

It'll be interesting to see how this thread agrees.

He's also have to finish the last third of the season a little stronger than 3.6 ypc, no rushing TDs, apart from a one game outlier that is, and how does a RB that never carries in 3rd downs even make that list. He petered out as the season wore on, can't score at the goal line, and isn't used on 3rd downs. There only so much utility for a RB like that. We got what can be gotten out of him. They didn't draft Davis on the 4th because Cook is all that. Cook is what they said he was when he was drafted, namely a good situational ball carrier that isn't suited to full-time carries, but one that has good utility in the passing game.

Well, he's sired what, 11 kids with 10 different women or spending like that. That's Hall of Fame material.

Be careful what you wish for. 😁

We haven't been discussing whether it's to much money or not, we've been talking the WRs on the roster relative to one another. I also do not agree with just about anything we do re: or offensive MO/strategy, you should know that, I'm among our biggest critics. But to think that we sign a bunch of WRs that have achieved nothing in this league, then sign Samuel for $23 M over three years with the thought of possibly cutting him, ... I honestly don't know what to say about anyone that would think that. IMO or strategy for stocking WRs on Allen's watch has been nearly criminal. While it may not be saying much, and whether or not I like it (I don't), Samuel's currently the second best WR on this team with a wide gap between him and #3.