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I'm still waiting for a four-year signing off an above-average OL-man. Morse has been the only one on Beane's watch.

This was from the last series of articles following that last meeting of whomever, that came out about a week ago. https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/new-buffalo-bills-stadium-plans-move-forward-construction-begins-this-year#:~:text=The new Buffalo Bills stadium,new president of the corporation. The Bills plan to start work in April, such as putting up fences. The goal is for shovels to hit the ground in June and complete the project by 2026. Someone formally referred to the work to begin in June as the "big digging." Again, originally when these talks began, they were supposed to have the "big digging" this past November. If it doesn't happen in June then they're approaching lapping themselves.

Originally they were supposed to break ground in November of 22. Then it got pushed back "a little," then yes, they said March, and more recently they said they'll start milling around and staring at the property soon, probably with hardhats and clipboards, to get everyone excited. They may even plant a porta-potty at the flag at the "50." Now it's June when the "big digging" will begin. Come May it'll be in November again. Next February there'll be a hologram of it. Be advised if you go in and use the restrooms. Last article they put out said that the "big digging" would begin in June. Not sure I believe that, but that's what it said. They said they'd be doing some other stuff prior to then, but they didn't say what specifically, but it wasn't any kind of significant digging.

It'll diminish significantly one he's not as fast or agile as well. That'll be long before he's 39. At some point if he's going to continue to be a top QB, it's going to be more as a pocket passer, and how good he is then will be impacted by how good of an OL he's got in front of him. All of this also assumes that he doesn't get seriously injured due to his high-risk style of play.

I don't know when you were there last, but Phoenix has tripled in geographic size in 30 years. Is it that much less humid in Phoenix as in Vegas? Both are desserts.

Yeah, no doubt. Phoenix has exploded too. Also, the wings there used to be better to. They were notably better before Sally Smith took over and made it corporate. They were OK for a while after that but they've gone downhill considerably since. I mostly make my own. Anytime I go out I regret it. I don't live anywhere near WNY anymore.

Roger that. People elsewhere complain about them.

I'd been to one back in the 90s. Pretty cool dive bar. The chain struggled and nearly went under. A Sally Smith turned it around which is when Buffalo Wild Wings was born. You in the restaurant biz?

I was being somewhat facetious. But in NE when he was on the field, nearly a 50% chance he got the carry, 1 in 2. I don't see that diminishing here this season since he's not the best receiving RB. In contrast, when Singletary was on the field, 25% chance that he got the carry, 1 in 4. I'm curious to see how he does behind our OL which isn't as good as what he had in NE. His strength is rushing, but Singletary behind our line, and with 70 more carries, average 4.6 YPC while Harris only averaged 4.4 behind a notably better OL. Singletary also hasn't missed any games due to injury, Harris has. And since when are we trusting our coaching staff to know when/how to run the ball? If anything they've proven the opposite. At times when the running game was dominating they've abandoned it in favor of Allen & passing. It's mindboggling at times. I'm not sure that this will be an upgrade. We'll find out. See above

Who when he steps onto the field the opposing D will pretty much know it's a running play. LOL

Great point! But that goes hand in hand with the notion that NYS has been chasing those very businesses, while ensuring that others never come, due to their ridiculously high taxes. In short, file under never going to happen.

Keeps the Bills in WNY. Seems to me that the options always were, based upon Pegula's indirect statements and implications, a moderately priced stadium in OP since the state & county are essentially paying for it and Kim said that they weren't paying for it, or the team moving. There are already reasonble objections to the amount of public funding going into it. Imagine if it were another $500M to $1B. If that were mostly public my guess is that it would be enough to sink the whole project. Anyone that wanted more should write to Terry and take it up with him. He's the one that made this decision and who will make any future decisions that will impact the future location of the team. He could sell it next month if he wanted to and get as much as he could with the new owner moving it elsewhere. He could also spend his money to see it get done. He should on his knees thanking the state and people of NYS for their share of funding. It'll be fine, if they ever actually iron out this never-ending list of details and approvals. A retractable roof would be better, but the concourses, as with all other modern stadiums, will be a lot roomier and able to accommodate a whole lot more people moving and milling around.

I'd like to see them put as much into the O as they've put into the D for a change. First three rounds all O. Fill in with FAcy as needed. Let's see how we can do with a good OL. I'd like to see what Allen can do with an above-average OL and some time to think before he has to anticipate taking off most of the time.

Having said that, out-of-town Bills bars or even bars in Buffalo are also just as much fun full of fans.

LMAO To me the tailgate is just as integral a part of it as the game is. I don't think I've ever gone to a Bills game w/o tailgating, home or away. IMO there's no better tailgating experience as there is in Buffalo. That's why I didn't want to see a downtown stadium, IMO the tailgating would have forever vaporized as we've known it. Other reasons too, such as traffic would be far worse than it is now. It's smack on the lake effect ground zero. ... not to open that debate, just my irrelevant preferences. LOL I think that most Bills fans feel similarly towards their tailgating. I have friends that prefer to go into the club levels hours ahead and sit there, but I wouldn't choose that unless perhaps the weather was absolutely miserable or something.

It'll definitely be more modern. All the modern stadiums are similar in that regard. At the current stadium you feel like Spinal Tap walking around in those hallways in that Cleveland high school when you're walking through the concourses. Meanwhile, you have to navigate the drunks as if it's a game of Frogger.

OK, so what? You're still spinning here. We still gave up 33 points and 481 yards, 334 passing and 147 rushing on about 6 YPC. So because of what you said that's good or excusable? Stay focused on what the crux of our disagreement is.

In terms of ranking I mean. In the 11 games that Von Miller played we allowed an average 15.8 PA and 327 Total Yards per-game. In the 5 games w/o Von Miller, we allowed an average of 17.4 PA and 301 Total Yards-per-game. 5 of the 6 worst Yards-Against games were with Von Miller on the field. 3 of the 4 and 8 of the 10 worst Points-Against games were with Von Miller on the field. Our defense went south after the first two games after which time we allowed an average of 19.2 PPG and 334 yards-per-game. That latter yardage figure would have been good for 15th, tied with Indy. We only played three top-10 scoring or yardage teams all season outside the division. Miami was 6th ranked in yards but 11th in points. Against those three teams we allowed an average of 26 points and 398 yards. There was a massive overreaction after we beat the Rams and Titans in weeks 1 & 2, two teams thought to be good but which ended up being hot trash. You can spin things anyway you want, but at the end of the day we allowed fewer yards and did not surrender significantly more points w/ Von Miller out. We also went 5-0, we were 8-3 with him in there. Other than KC, Von Miller did all but literally nothing in the two games against the other two top-10 offenses. It's odd, because he was so much better with the higher-percentage shorter stuff in 2021. He's very bright, I thought he would take that development into this past season, but he regressed. I still say that it was the lack of Beasley, our most popular player. LOL

You're cherry-picking stats. Against KC & Cinci the past three games in the playoffs our defense has absolutely stunk. We still gave up 24 offensive against Miami with Skylar Thompson. I don't see how that happens with a #2 D in the playoffs under any circumstances at home with the energy the fans brought.

What, that they didn't play well against a crap offensive team? Even, if not particularly, the front-7. You mentioned the secondary's issues primarily. Von Miller was out for most of the season. Didn't seem to impact games against similar offenses during the regular season. By last season I meant the 2021 season. Happy to hear an explanation.

And Miami with Thompson? And last season?

We're two different teams, one in the playoffs, one during the regular season. I'm curious why everyone thinks why that would be the case.

re: 1) Well, I suppose, but back to my points, a wasted opportunity to do what? Spend more money and provide a few more things for Buffalonians? Because again, if it's an opportunity to "draw people" for conferences or whatever, that's not going to happen. If it's the State investing in Buffalo, also not going to happen. It hasn't happened for decades and that's not about to change. They only put money into Albany and NYC. I guess I'm not understanding specifically, and within factual parameters, which "opportunity" we're missing out on other than some more choices for locals. The whole thing reminds me of that ridiculous Fast Ferry that Rochester did. Same there, they told us that once it was there that Ontarians would flock to Rochester for the shopping and experiences. LMAO That's not too far off of what we're talking about here. You have to remember, that if these things were lucrative, private investors would be lining up to do them. That's not the case nearly to the extent that it is elsewhere. At the end of the day it's all economics and the economics all revolve around taxes. What would you propose tho, specifically? re: 2) Yeah, I know, I was also responding generally to some other posts. But this "bars and restaurants ..." thing is ridiculous. Building more and more things to attract people simply doesn't work when your taxes are as high as NYS' are. 3) Per above, what do you think it would do? How would you envision it unfolding? ... As for me, I was against a downtown stadium. It would have altered the tailgating permanently, and not in a good way. Parking garages would have been necessary and tailgating in them would be nonexistent. The ingress/egress would be ridiculous. A few feet of snow would be far worse than it is at OP. Going to games wouldn't be the same, not in a good way. The appeal for many Bills fans is the tailgating, which is equally important as the game. If it meant just showing up and going to the game, I think I'd rather just watch it at home or at a Bills bar and eat and drink what I want in perfect comfort. A lot of people think that way. I'm not quite sure what those that preferred a downtown stadium have a realistic picture of how it would actually be. They seem to try to transplant downtown stadiums in other cities into Buffalo, but we can't do that. Those cities are so much different than ours. I would be in favor of having a roof that closed, if for no other reason than to keep it closed until gamedays. If it snows 3 ft. then at least the seats are covered in snow and need to be cleared out. If it's too miserably cold or crappy outside, close the roof, otherwise, open it on gamedays. We're all just pissing into the wind here. LOL Let's face it, we're lucky to even have a team still. Buffalo is by far the smallest financially and economically sized NFL city in the league. Smaller that Cincinnati even by a significant amount. IMO Pegula is the last Buffalo Bills owner that we'll have. Even he has said that it's all about the money first. If it works, then he'll stick around. i.e., he's essentially said if we build it then he'll come. There's a reason why he said he won't sign a lease extension at the current stadium until he sees a formalized Stadium Agreement.

Look, it's naive to think that dropping a stadium downtown is going to all of a sudden get the state to start "investing" in Buffalo. It just is. I mean what's the basis for it besides wishful thinking. There is none if were going to be honest. Buffalo will never be a hotspot for "conventions." Larger conventions are held in either nice weather cities or cities where there are a ton of things to do downtown. "Bars, shopping, and restaurants" are in every city, and Canalside isn't that kind of large enough of a draw. Look at the cities that host them, them compare them to Buffalo, even with a downtown stadium if you prefer. There's no comparison. Secondly, they require significant hotel s and public transportation. Buffalo doesn't stack up there either. Look, we love it, it's our region, were know it's hidden secrets, things that you can't find anywhere else, but those aren't going to draw masses from around the country compared to immediately available in the surrounding area in other cities. As to stadium economics, the only studies that indicate that these stadiums "pay for themselves" are thrown up without any proof by politicians, developers, and others with self-interests in seeing them built. There isn't a credible economist anywhere that will even remotely back up that notion. They cost, they don't pay. But people believe what they want, again, in their self interests. People avoid them, but here are the facts. Buffalo is a shrinking city, the people born here leave once they finish school in large measure. The regional population is being sustained by immigration, not the good kind. Sure there are some great things going on in the region. But "bars, restaurants, and shopping" are hardly unique to the region. Taxes are crazy high with services for them light. So many people already come from well outside the immediate region for games. The new pricing structure will price many locals out. Many have even said so here. As for me, it's a matter of principle that I would never pay for a PSL, I don't care what it's for. So I guess it's secondary market for me. Full disclosure, I'm no longer a STH anyway since I moved to far away to attend most games. It's been secondary market anyway. But I've read, that the new pricing model takes this into account, and they're planning that the ticket agencies will be buying many tix and the PSLs, which I find to be disappointing. I hope it's not true. Anyway, Buffalo will never be the hotbed of economic activity that many seem to think it will be, regardless of what they build. The single biggest impediment is the high taxes. That's what's driven both people and businesses away to begin with. Trying to lure them back with a stadium to look at, bars, restaurants, and breweries, which exist everywhere else too, isn't going to happen. Canalside and a few other things aren't going to cut it, not by a longshot. The fact of the matter is that we're simply lucky to still have a team. There are many other places that an owner could move this team and instantly increase its value. I'll say it again, if we didn't currently have a team, the chances of us getting one would be slim to nil. We would never make the short list for consideration for a team moving or for an expansion team. I get it, we all love this region, it's truly "home" for many of us. I regret not being able to live in WNY today, now, but it is what it is. To pretend that it's not doesn't change anything. I've also noticed that the biggest believers in a downtown stadium are locals. I'm also speculating that most of them have never lived outside of Buffalo in another metro area for any extended period of time. The few that I know haven't. If they did, perhaps that would provide a different perspective. Just sayin'. Don't know about that. According to their survey we can expect ticket prices to double or so. That doesn't include the PSLs. I guess if resellers don't mind losing money. They'll sell according to demand. With a healthy Allen demand is high. Without a healthy Allen, ... ?